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[lammius]

willy, on Apr 18 2005, 05:05 AM, said:

RANK MSA 2004
1 Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 5700256
2 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL 5361723
3 Houston-Baytown-Sugar Land, TX 5180443
4 Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 4708297
5 Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 2587967
6 Orlando, FL 1861707
7 San Antonio, TX 1854050
8 Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC 1644250
9 Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC 1474734
10 Austin-Round Rock, TX 1412271
11 Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro, TN 1395879
12 New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA 1319589
13 Memphis, TN-MS-AR 1250293
14 Jacksonville, FL 1225381
15 Louisville, KY-IN 1200847
16 Richmond, VA 1154317
17 Oklahoma City, OK 1144327
18 Birmingham-Hoover, AL 1082193
19 Raleigh-Cary, NC 914680
20 Tulsa, OK 881815

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I'm confused.  Are you leaving out CMSAs or something?

[vdogg]

willy, on Apr 18 2005, 07:05 AM, said:

RANK MSA 2004
1 Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 5700256
2 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL 5361723
3 Houston-Baytown-Sugar Land, TX 5180443
4 Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 4708297
5 Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 2587967
6 Orlando, FL 1861707
7 San Antonio, TX 1854050
8 Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC 1644250
9 Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC 1474734
10 Austin-Round Rock, TX 1412271
11 Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro, TN 1395879
12 New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA 1319589
13 Memphis, TN-MS-AR 1250293
14 Jacksonville, FL 1225381
15 Louisville, KY-IN 1200847
16 Richmond, VA 1154317
17 Oklahoma City, OK 1144327
18 Birmingham-Hoover, AL 1082193
19 Raleigh-Cary, NC 914680
20 Tulsa, OK 881815

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Where the hell did D.C. go? This can't possibly be right cause they have an MSA in the 5 million range. Do you know what their criteria was for these decisions?

[willy]

D.C. is listed in the northeast.

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I'm confused. Are you leaving out CMSAs or something?

Yeah, these are only MSA's, which is more accurate IMO.

[Greekboy80]

willy, on Apr 18 2005, 10:59 AM, said:

D.C. is listed in the northeast.

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DC also lists Baltimore in their 5 mil. i think thats crap. i dont see them as the same metro-area. The two districts are at least an hour apart.

[urbanfan]

Greekboy80, on Apr 18 2005, 03:24 PM, said:

DC also lists Baltimore in their 5 mil. i think thats crap. i dont see them as the same metro-area. The two districts are at least an hour apart.

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D.C. and Baltimore are 35 miles apart.  That is why they are together.  There are places in our MSA that are 25 miles apart, however, the population in these areas are miniscule.  But people in Baltimore commute to D.C. and people in D.C. commute to Baltimore.  Therefore they are considered on metro.

[wrldcoupe4]

The census uses trends in movement and population orientation to a central city in defining an MSA. For example, Fredericksburg is now what many will consider a suburb of Washington, though historically it was more oriented towards Richmond. Now that D.C. has sprawled so immensely, Fredericksburg is now more oriented towards Washington, and trends in movement also gear it towards D.C. Thus, Fburg is incorporated into the vast D.C. MSA.

http://www.census.go...-city/List1.txt

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[Greekboy80]

urbanfan, on Apr 18 2005, 01:32 PM, said:

D.C. and Baltimore are 35 miles apart.  That is why they are together.  There are places in our MSA that are 25 miles apart, however, the population in these areas are miniscule.  But people in Baltimore commute to D.C. and people in D.C. commute to Baltimore.  Therefore they are considered on metro.

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I still think its crap.  

[urbanfan]

Greekboy80, on Apr 19 2005, 09:14 AM, said:

I still think its crap. 

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I agree.

[rusthebuss]

Being so close it has to be part of each other. Its the same as Ft.Worth and Dallas.

[JPN0731]

Greekboy80, on Apr 18 2005, 02:24 PM, said:

DC also lists Baltimore in their 5 mil. i think thats crap. i dont see them as the same metro-area. The two districts are at least an hour apart.

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Williamsburg is pretty far from Norfolk and Norfolk is far from Moyock...

I think that Wash-Baltimore is pretty fair being as the MD suburbs towards Laurel can be either DC suburbs or Balto suburbs.  Also they are much better connected by rail and road than Norfolk-Va Beach is to the peninsula.

[rusthebuss]

I agree with that

[Glassoul]

Locos, on Apr 15 2005, 09:58 AM, said:

Has any one read the article that Gov. Warner is traveling overseas to Japan and India to try and convince some of their companies to invest in the state of Virginia, this will benefit the entire state if Gov. Warner and his collegues succeed in convincing some of the overseas corporations to come to VA.

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Heh, this isn't news. Govenors, Premiers, local business lobbies, etc. do this type of thing all the time. Most governors/premiers will go on these types of trips 3-4 times a year. Often times it's as much about not losing companies to other regions, as it is about gaining new companies. Most of the groups and companies that attend these meetings have no real interest in expanding anywhere or relocating, they just go for the pampering, freebies, and maybe to feel out a region they might be interested in moving to in the future.

When it comes time for a multinational company to expand, all that company need do is put out a notice saying they are looking to expand or relocate. They can then calmly sit back and watch as all the government and trade representatives with bags of money and promises fall all over themselves trying to be the first in line to the company.

Edited by Glassoul, 19 April 2005 - 01:00 PM.

[wrldcoupe4]

Actually, those trade missions can really bring in some massive investment. case and point:

"Another large expansion — a new $450 million deepwater terminal under construction on the Elizabeth River in Portsmouth — will help assure Hampton Roads’ future as a busy port. The Danish shipping conglomerate APM Terminals/Maersk Sealand is building a massive terminal that’s expected to employ 210 people. When it opens in 2007, it will provide much needed capacity at Hampton Roads, adding a 3,100-foot wharf and 300 acres for more container space. The terminal will replace APM’s existing facility in Portsmouth. Already under way is dredging for a channel leading into the terminal...

The Portsmouth terminal project received high-level state support. Gov. Mark R. Warner met with Maersk executives in May 2003 while on a trade mission to Denmark, Germany and Switzerland. When the deal was announced, Warner approved a $500,000 grant from the Governor’s Opportunity Fund to assist Portsmouth with the project. During its first 15 years of operation, state officials say the terminal is expected to generate $269 million in local tax revenues and $260 million in state revenues....

In what could bode well for future corporate expansions, Warner leaves for a trade mission this month, heading in mid-April to Japan and India. It will be Warner’s fourth overseas trade mission. In addition to the European trip that helped line up the APM Terminals/Maersk expansion, Warner led trade delegations to Mexico and China."

Virginia Business article

[okinawatyphoon]

wrldcoupe4, on Apr 21 2005, 12:20 PM, said:

Actually, those trade missions can really bring in some massive investment. case and point:

"Another large expansion — a new $450 million deepwater terminal under construction on the Elizabeth River in Portsmouth — will help assure Hampton Roads’ future as a busy port. The Danish shipping conglomerate APM Terminals/Maersk Sealand is building a massive terminal that’s expected to employ 210 people. When it opens in 2007, it will provide much needed capacity at Hampton Roads, adding a 3,100-foot wharf and 300 acres for more container space. The terminal will replace APM’s existing facility in Portsmouth. Already under way is dredging for a channel leading into the terminal...

The Portsmouth terminal project received high-level state support. Gov. Mark R. Warner met with Maersk executives in May 2003 while on a trade mission to Denmark, Germany and Switzerland. When the deal was announced, Warner approved a $500,000 grant from the Governor’s Opportunity Fund to assist Portsmouth with the project. During its first 15 years of operation, state officials say the terminal is expected to generate $269 million in local tax revenues and $260 million in state revenues....

In what could bode well for future corporate expansions, Warner leaves for a trade mission this month, heading in mid-April to Japan and India. It will be Warner’s fourth overseas trade mission. In addition to the European trip that helped line up the APM Terminals/Maersk expansion, Warner led trade delegations to Mexico and China."

Virginia Business article

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Good find wrldcoupe4!! Nice article!  

[Greekboy80]

JPN0731, on Apr 19 2005, 10:36 AM, said:

Williamsburg is pretty far from Norfolk and Norfolk is far from Moyock...

I think that Wash-Baltimore is pretty fair being as the MD suburbs towards Laurel can be either DC suburbs or Balto suburbs.  Also they are much better connected by rail and road than Norfolk-Va Beach is to the peninsula.

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i dont consider Williamsburg or moyock part of our metro.

i still think that the two(Balt & D.C.) are seperate metros and totally diffrent cities.

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[rusthebuss]

Alot of people that lived in VaBeach moved to moyock and still work in Norfolk and Vabeach so it is part of our area. They receive our news as well. Willamsburg has always been a part of our area and its in the 757 area code.  DC and Baltimore feed off of each other so it is fair to say that they are one metro. If Norfolk and Richmond feed off each other it would be fair to say that the metro would be for both. DC and Baltimore are about the same distance as going from Norfolk to Moyock, NC.

[Greekboy80]

rusthebuss, on Apr 21 2005, 08:40 AM, said:

Alot of people that lived in VaBeach moved to moyock and still work in Norfolk and Vabeach so it is part of our area. They receive our news as well. Willamsburg has always been a part of our area and its in the 757 area code.  DC and Baltimore feed off of each other so it is fair to say that they are one metro. If Norfolk and Richmond feed off each other it would be fair to say that the metro would be for both. DC and Baltimore are about the same distance as going from Norfolk to Moyock, NC.

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i understand the concept, i just dont agree.

[JPN0731]

Greekboy80, on Apr 21 2005, 02:41 PM, said:

i understand the concept, i just dont agree.

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Well unfortunately for you, it's a concept that is used for almost all metro populations in the US.  Seattle-Tacoma, San Fran-San Jose, LA-Riverside CA, NYC-Connecticut, Miami- Ft Lauderdale, etc... These are all cities that people don't always put in the same metro area but they actually are.  In fact they call Boston-Washington "Boswash" for a reason: the suburbs continually touch into a huge megalopolis.  

As far as I am concerned, the peninsula and anything west of 664 are out of what I consdier "the local area" but then again, I know people who work in Eliz City and W'Burg and live here in Norfolk-Va Beach.

[rusthebuss]

wrldcoupe4, on Apr 20 2005, 11:20 PM, said:

Actually, those trade missions can really bring in some massive investment. case and point:

"Another large expansion — a new $450 million deepwater terminal under construction on the Elizabeth River in Portsmouth — will help assure Hampton Roads’ future as a busy port. The Danish shipping conglomerate APM Terminals/Maersk Sealand is building a massive terminal that’s expected to employ 210 people. When it opens in 2007, it will provide much needed capacity at Hampton Roads, adding a 3,100-foot wharf and 300 acres for more container space. The terminal will replace APM’s existing facility in Portsmouth. Already under way is dredging for a channel leading into the terminal...

The Portsmouth terminal project received high-level state support. Gov. Mark R. Warner met with Maersk executives in May 2003 while on a trade mission to Denmark, Germany and Switzerland. When the deal was announced, Warner approved a $500,000 grant from the Governor’s Opportunity Fund to assist Portsmouth with the project. During its first 15 years of operation, state officials say the terminal is expected to generate $269 million in local tax revenues and $260 million in state revenues....

In what could bode well for future corporate expansions, Warner leaves for a trade mission this month, heading in mid-April to Japan and India. It will be Warner’s fourth overseas trade mission. In addition to the European trip that helped line up the APM Terminals/Maersk expansion, Warner led trade delegations to Mexico and China."

Virginia Business article

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Someone posted this a long time ago with the full article before they told us not to do that anymore and i can't remember where.