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#41 orulz

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 03:03 PM

This is getting off-topic, but I ride my bike a lot in Raleigh. It's my primary means of transportation here. Raleigh is nationally infamous for being unfriendly to bicyclists, thanks to Satan (cough) I mean Clear Channel Communications and our friends down at G105. In spite of that reputation, things are actually quite pleasant, and I've put about 1000 miles on my bike since I bought an odometer in January - all of them commuting, running errands, or just touring the town. Were it not for a few impatient jackasses who need to go back to driving school and attend anger management classes, people generally seem to respect my right to be on the road.

I try to stay out of the way of the flow of traffic whenever possible, but I assert my right to take up a whole lane when things get narrow and/or unsafe. The greenways and bike paths that have begun to spring up are nice, but there are a number of "trouble spots" - where they are running parallel to a major road, but have to go across a curb cut or a minor road. 95% of these people coming out from these curb cuts ignore the bike pathand automatically pull right up to the intersection, rather than stopping at the stop sign like they're supposed to. People turning right on red do the same thing. That's why I wish right-on-red was illegal, or prohibited in more places. I can't count the number of times that I've almost been hit because of that. These people need to learn, and I hope that by almost hitting me they learned a lesson. At any rate, this danger makes me actually prefer riding in traffic because cars are more likely to notice you.

Let me take this chance to remind any one of you who may have forgotten: any place that there is a stop sign, you're required by law to stop [/i]AT OR BEFORE THE STOP SIGN[/i] to check for pedestrians before you approach the intersection. Same goes for turning right on red: STOP AT THE PAINTED LINE before you approach the intersection. Even at a curb cut coming out of a driveway, it's ILLEGAL to roll onto the sidewalk to check for oncoming cars before you've stopped to check for pedestrians. Seriously, stopping once before you approach the intersection takes all of 2 seconds. It could save a life, and save you from a lot of liability and even potential jail time.

And here's the kicker: it doesn't count if you don't do it at EVERY right-on-red and at EVERY stop sign. Even if the road doesn't have a sidewalk, you never know when there might be a bicycle riding in the shoulder or a person walking on the grass next to the road. Even on that road that you drive on EVERY DAY going to work, where you've never, ever seen a bicycle or a pedestrian. Even when turning right onto an 8-lane thoroughfare that you couldn't possibly fathom a bicycle or pedestrian using. You never know when someone in the neighborhood might be trying to commute via bike for the first time, or someone (like me!) might be out pedaling around a new neighborhood.

Yes, some people might miss their "spot" in traffic, but I don't feel sorry for them at all. Anyone who finds it too inconvenient to wait 2 seconds needs to surrender their drivers license before they hurt or kill someone in their haste, and start seeing a stress therapist to get their issues resolved.

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#42 moonshield

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 04:30 PM

This idea of riding a bicycle instead of driving a car has intrigued me. Is there any websites I should read to get started?

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 04:33 PM

I remember the stink caused by Bob Dumas (co-host of the G105 morning show). Sadly though, all the drama (including the protest in the studio parking lot) just jacked the station's ratings through the roof. Bob is a redneck and a loud mouth, and he knows that you can generate riveting discussion and ratings by expressing strong opinions and inflammatory statements over the air.

At any rate, most bike riders I encounter on busy streets seem to have some understanding of basic physics. A bicycle with one person weighs ~200-250 lbs(?)--that is insignificant compared to a 3500+ lb car or 5000+ lb SUV or truck, especially considering the incredible speed and acceleration ability of a motor vehicle. Even when both parties are being equally cautious, if something gets goofed up, the bike rider will lose.

I try to stay as far away from bikes as I can when driving a car. If I roll up on one occupying the same lane that I'm in and I cannot move over. I just creep along behind them--what do I care? I have a (bio)diesel powered car that churns out less than 100bhp, I can't be in a hurry :lol: Rest assured a courteous bike rider will be aware of a heavy vehicle behind them and when they have enough space to move over they will signal to pass.

If you can't move your car over to another lane, at least wait for the bike rider to signal that they are prepared to be passed. I've ridden a bike in traffic ONCE and it was awful. The noise and air turbulence induced from a passing car can be disorienting if you aren't ready for it.

I have encountered a few oblivious bikers in the Triangle, and that is unfortunate. On the whole, I think that Charlotte bike riders are much more "street smart" than those in Raleigh.

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 09:10 AM

Charlotte peddles a bike-friendly image

After 17 years of writing about Charlotte's transportation scene, I can tell you that the city's bicycling pulse is finally beating faster.

After a woeful start, the area now has 23 mountain bike trails, and Charlotte has 20 miles of bike lanes. (It could use a lot more.)

A recent city ordinance requires future shopping centers and office parks to have racks where cyclists can park their bikes. And the south Charlotte light-rail line, now under construction, will be connected to bike lanes so some commuters can leave their cars at home.

CATS buses all have bike racks. That means you can bike to a bus stop, put your bike on the rack and take it off a few miles later to pedal to your destination.

Paved greenways along major creeks Little Sugar, Mallard, Clarks and McMullen Creek offer safe and scenic rides.

Check the new Web site, www.BikeCharlotte.com, for a list of bike rides coming to a road near you. Some are fundraisers with 100 cyclists in matching T-shirts, others are just a few neighborhood friends looking to meet other riders. And you can post your own ride so other cyclists can join.

All this helps make Charlotte a little friendlier for folks on two wheels.

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 09:34 AM

The greenway project has at least managed one solution - if the major thoroughfares are too dangerous for bicycles, at least build bikes their own system.  My last visit to Charlotte I really wished I did bring my bike with me, the bike trail near Hwy 51 looked so inviting.  

As a Atlanta bicyclist - I don't ride my bike on the major streets - unless I'm in downtown or Midtown.  What I do depend on are parallel streets that are available in a street grid system (in Atlanta's case a very loosely interpreted grid).  Typically my general rule is - I will bike in more urbane areas, but will not bike in a more modern suburban environment.  It is much easier to ride a bike on a 4+ lane street in downtown than most primary or secondary road in the suburbs.

I can only imagine that is the case in Charlotte - the residential areas around Uptown look like great bicycling, especially around Queens College & I would definitley consider riding through Uptown.  Closer to SouthPark - forget it (unless there is a bike lane / trail).

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 10:32 AM

It sounds like the biking population is exploding there (along with the general population) and that's a great thing. The weather is great for biking and I hope to commute by bike when I can. I've been debating on whether or not to add a shower to my office plans but due to ADA rules it may become too expensive a proposition. I will be right across from the Siskey Y though so maybe???

I would encourage bicyclists to get as active as they can while there is still "room" to grow. Where I am now, it is too expensive for the county to buy back land for the right of way that bike lanes would require. Hopefully, the powers that be are setting aside appropriate right of ways not just for extra auto lanes but for future bike lanes as well while it's still affordable to do so.

Greenways are an excellent idea but are even better if they actually lead to somewhere useful and not just a "fun" ride. Are there any greenways that can serve double as a commuting corridor?

Lastly, to all those p*ssed off car people: Rules and regulations aside, if you blink for just a moment and are careless or unlucky enough to hit a bicyclist, you may be thinking about the consequences for the rest of your life. The law will not be on your side no matter how careless you may think the biker was and you will be guilty until proven innocent. :(

I know this because an employee of mine was making a left turn at a busy intersection at dusk. She hit a father and teenage son biking from the opposite direction. Neither bike had reflectors and were set up for racing but both were wearing helmets. They were riding side by side instead of single file, may or may not have yielded at the light etc. etc. None of this matters. The father had a broken pelvis and the son multiple fractured bones and needed pins and screws in one leg. He's since had several surgeries from what I understand. This was seven years ago. Not only can she still remember every second of the accident but she continues to pay $4000 a year for car insurance in assigned risk.

Moral: leave plenty of space, always look twice and respect others on the road. In an accident, your car or truck will "win" and you'll have to live with what happens regardless of whose legally at fault.

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 10:43 AM

tuthdoc, on May 1 2005, 11:32 AM, said:

I know this because an employee of mine was making a left turn at a busy intersection at dusk. She hit a father and teenage son biking from the opposite direction. Neither bike had reflectors and were set up for racing but both were wearing helmets. They were riding side by side instead of single file, may or may not have yielded at the light etc. etc. None of this matters.

It sounds as though the driver of the car should not have been held responsible. Choosing to ride a bike or be a pedestrian is absolutely no excuse for being stupid. If you ride around at night ignoring traffic rules and wearing dark clothing with no reflectors, then too bad. Common sense is increasingly elusive these days.

I bet any amount of money that if it had been another car which failed to yeild, had no reflectors, and had headlights off, the driver of that bunk car would've received all the charges. Just because the person didn't have a motor strapped to them is no reason to ignore the fact they were being irresponsible.

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 12:34 PM

Children learn to be safe on their bikes

To kick off National Safe Kids Week, some children in Charlotte participated in a bicycle rodeo Saturday.

This year’s theme is “Follow the Leader: Safety Starts With You.” Organizers of Saturday’s event talked to children there about the importance of safety and showed them how to be safe on their bikes





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Check out the Charlotte Branch of SafeKids for more information on bike safety for kids and car seat use.


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Posted 01 May 2005 - 04:02 PM

"Are there any greenways that can serve double as a commuting corridor?"


The Sugar Creek Greenway, when finished, will allow for people in Pineville to commute uptown.

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 05:36 PM

I'm getting ready to move to a townhouse near Matthews (Sardis Rd. North and Monroe Rd.) and work at Statesville Ave. and I-85. I was pondering riding to work every now and then to cut on gas costs. What do you think of a good SAFE bike route for biking to work?

#51 reverbandwhiskey

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Posted 02 May 2005 - 08:28 AM

I don't know anything about the area.  Stop by Ultimate bicycle Mathhewss. Those guys know the city well.

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Posted 02 May 2005 - 02:10 PM

BIKE ON OVER

1GET GOING: "Bike! Charlotte 2005," 10 days of events to encourage bicycle riding in daily routines, runs through Sunday.

2GO PROS, GO: Professional male and female riders hit uptown streets Aug. 6 for the 2nd annual Bank of America Invitational Criterium.

3RIDE FOR A CAUSE: The "24 Hours of Booty" annual ride, scheduled July 29-30 this year, fills streets surrounding Queens University with hundreds of riders raising money for charity.

4RIDE FOR A PAYCHECK: Pick a route to spin your bike to work with the help of www.bikementor.org, organized by Charlotte bike commuters.

5RIDE FOR A PRIZE: Bicycling Magazine gave 50 Charlotteans a new bike based on short essays on what they'd do with it.

6PARK 'EM: A new ordinance requires developers to include bike racks when building offices and shopping strips.

7STACK 'EM: Uptown has 47 public bike racks -- 39 installed by the city and eight by Bank of America.

8TAKE IT STRAIGHT ...: Charlotte has 20 miles of bike lanes, with more coming in the next year, Tippette says.

9... OR ROUND AND ROUND: A group of cycling enthusiasts, including Lowe's Motor Speedway President H.A. "Humpy" Wheeler, hopes to team with Rock Hill to build a track with steep banks for competitive racing.

10NOT JUST ABOUT NASCAR: Wheeler sponsors an annual time trial bike racing series at the speedway. He rides it, too.

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Posted 02 May 2005 - 02:12 PM

The above "article" had this link: Bicycle Commuter Mentor Program of Charlotte, North Carolina.

Seems like a pretty cool site.

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Posted 03 May 2005 - 06:46 PM

I wish Charlotte had a Critical Mass bike ride once a month, I would be out on my bike in a second, pissing off many of drivers.

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Posted 03 May 2005 - 06:58 PM

lol.  chapel hill had a critical mass ride every week.  i occassionally would see them meet at the morehead sundial.  they were a bunch of characters.  Of course, i didn't drive or bike, so it i was somewhat neutral. :).

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Posted 17 July 2005 - 10:59 PM

City honored for bicycle-friendliness


Charlotte was given an honorable mention as a bicycle-friendly city by the League of American Bicyclists. Only 16 cities in the nation are designated as bicycle-friendly. By giving Charlotte an honorable mention, the group indicated it expects the Queen City to one day reach the bicycle-friendly designation.

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 08:47 AM

Actually a biker got mowed down by a woman driving down Queen's Road this weekend.  They interviewed an owner of a bike shop about this and he said that Charlotte is very bike unfriendly in the inner portions of the city.  No bike lanes, uncaring drivers, and the police almost never ticket drivers who hit a biker.  (As was the case in this incident)

If that poor guy had not been wearing a helmet, he might be dead now.


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Posted 10 June 2008 - 06:06 AM

I'm listening to a podcast of a recent episode of Charlotte Talks regarding bike lanes in Charlotte and was shocked to hear something as I have been told the complete opposite by everyone in the past.

The guests on the show were:

Martin Zimmerman - Executive Director, Charlotte Area Bicycle Alliance
Anthony Foxx - Charlotte City Councilman; Chair, Council Transportation Committee
Dan Gallagher - Transportation Planner, Charlotte Dept. of Transportation

They stated that Charlotte is one of the only places where riding a bicycle on the sidewalk is LEGAL.  I have always been told that riding a bike on the sidewalk in Charlotte is illegal so I'm amazed to hear this bit of info.  Anyone else aware that doing this is legal in Charlotte?

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 07:30 AM

View PostNeo, on Jun 10 2008, 08:06 AM, said:

I'm listening to a podcast of a recent episode of Charlotte Talks regarding bike lanes in Charlotte and was shocked to hear something as I have been told the complete opposite by everyone in the past.

The guests on the show were:

Martin Zimmerman - Executive Director, Charlotte Area Bicycle Alliance
Anthony Foxx - Charlotte City Councilman; Chair, Council Transportation Committee
Dan Gallagher - Transportation Planner, Charlotte Dept. of Transportation

They stated that Charlotte is one of the only places where riding a bicycle on the sidewalk is LEGAL.  I have always been told that riding a bike on the sidewalk in Charlotte is illegal so I'm amazed to hear this bit of info.  Anyone else aware that doing this is legal in Charlotte?


I had always heard it was illegal as well but I looked it up in the City Code and apparently the only place it is illegal is downtown in the "congested business district."

Sec. 14-251.  Riding on sidewalks.
It shall be unlawful to operate a bicycle upon the public sidewalks located within the congested business district as defined in section 6-431. However, police officers acting in the discharge of their official duties are permitted to operate bicycles upon all of the public sidewalks in the city, including those sidewalks located within the congested business district.

Sec. 14-253.  Brakes required.
It shall be unlawful to operate a bicycle on a street, alley, sidewalk or public highway of the city, unless it is equipped with a braking system in sufficient working order to control and stop the movement of the bicycle.

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 11:38 AM

I cycled all over Charleston when I lived there. All over downtown when I was in college and then to Sullivans Island when I lived in Mt P. I loved it but retired when I moved here. Just does not feel safe enough for me so I stick to running. Also it's easier to ride on flat land with no hills! Charlotte is making progress but everyone agrees we have a long way to go. Even in the supposedly bike friendly areas like East below Scott there have been many close calls and accidents. Riding a bike is not an accepted mode of transport in Charlotte. Cycling is still considered exotic or a vanity sport. Therefore, motorists feel superior to them and most show little respect on the roads.

Edited by voyager12, 10 June 2008 - 11:40 AM.





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