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[poohsfolks]

SimCity, on Mar 13 2007, 12:00 AM, said:

From what I hear Dr. York still has his followers and he is also finished serving his time.

I couldn't believe he'd been released already.  A little digging found that, according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, Dwight D. "Malachi" York isn't scheduled to be released until December 15, 2119.  

His Wikipedia bio is an interesting read.

[Martinman]

teshadoh, on Mar 5 2007, 11:09 PM, said:

"Atlanta" growth will be in the future confused with Gainesville, Rome, Athens & LaGrange growth - to a lesser extent Macon.  Larger metro areas like LA & Boston will be a similar pattern of growth for Atlanta - where primary city Metro Areas are surrounded by smaller Metro Areas.  People living in Palm Springs or Riverside, CA don't drive to LA for work, just as people in Nashau NH do either - but these are cities that have been dramatically impacted by the growth of a larger city further away.

It will be extremely unlikely Athens will ever join the MSA of Atlanta, but most likely it will join the CSA.  Athens will develop as a satellite-edge city that will be assumed to be 'part of Atlanta' but will enjoy it's own economic influence that will likely cause it to be a 2nd tier city in Georgia.

As for the I-20 corridor - that will always fall behind the 85 & 75 corridors.  The distance between Augusta & Atlanta is over 2/3 of the way between Greenville & Charleston.

Exactly

Looking at this map of GA's MSAs,  I can't imagine many more counties joining the MSA but as you said, those satellite cities are seeing strong growth with the possible exception of Rome. I think Macon's MSA is just beginnning to see this type of growth and Rome will likely start getting some as well.

Edited by Martinman, 15 March 2007 - 11:07 AM.

[ryanmckibben]

I would have to say i disagree with all of you. Each one of the cities mentioned, especially Atlanta, has seen the inner cores reverse their decline and start adding new residents and businesses. Everything that has occured ths far has been the result of nothing more then people just wanting to live in the city center. When other factors start to become more prevalant, such as higher energy prices or increased traffic congestion, the growth in the urban cores will accelerate even further. This is not to say that the burbs won't continue to see some sort of growth, but the blistering pace of paving over ever more remote areas for commuters will slow dramatically over the next 10-15 years. Personally, I believe what will eventually happen is that some cities will become more like twin star systems, highly interconnected but still exerting it's own pull on the sorounding areas. Much like Boston, New York, Phily, Balt, and DC. I see rail eventually connecting all of the cities that have been mentioned. With the cores of those cities being much more dense then they are now. I don't put this idea forward out of some urban utopia ideology, but as a financial reality over the coming decade or two.

Edited by ryanmckibben, 15 March 2007 - 11:29 AM.

[dougtha1]

Deleted: this isn't a battle of the links

Edited by metro.m, 11 April 2007 - 04:54 AM.

[Unifour]

Trae, on Mar 11 2007, 10:53 AM, said:

This is what I see happening. Atlanta grows in a way where not everyone commutes to the center of the city. There are many edges, or satellite cities. I have family in Perris, CA (barely a part of the LA Metro), and they don't ever go to Los Angeles. He works in Riverside. I also have some in Irvine, and that is where the live, work, and play. They never venture outside of Orange County. That is the way I see Atlanta going.

Los Angeles is on another tier than Atlanta, though. Riverside itself is almost the population of Atlanta. Irvine has over 200,000.

Riverside isn't quite close to the size of Atlanta. Riverside as of 2005 had 290,000 people, while Atlanta had 483,000 before annexations added thousands more. Atlanta has most likely reached 500,000 by now. L.A. has some extremely large suburbs such as Irvine, but that's because most of L.A.'s urban land is incorporated. Most of Atlanta's lives in thousands of unincorporated developments not within municipal boundaries. The largest suburb in the country isn't found in L.A., it's found in Phoenix, but that wouldn't necessarily mean Phoenix was bigger. Mesa is the largest suburb in the nation, but individual suburb sizes aren't any more relevent than central city populations in metropolitan areas. In any case, Atlanta's rather small size doesn't mean much when Atlanta only holds 9% (and falling) of it's metro's population. Los Angeles is larger to be sure, and it should be since it is much older than Atlanta. The recently booming faster growing metros like Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta have significantly narrowed the gap with the older, slower growing metros of the nation and there are only a handful that are still larger. In 1950 the present day L.A. CSA was 7 times larger than Atlanta. Today it's less than 3.5 times. Since 1950 Atlanta has grown by 450% while L.A. has grown 250%. In 1950 Detroit was 3.5 times larger than Atlanta, today Atlanta is larger than Detroit. The gap will close more rapidly now because L.A.'s growth has diminished dramatically and some have stopped altogether or are in decline, such as Detroit, Boston, Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, Cleveland, and Buffalo to name a few while the booming sunbelt cities continue to accelerate. Atlanta MSA (not including the CSA) grew more than the entire L.A. CSA over the last year. Atlanta MSA grew by 166,000, while the L.A. CSA grew by 135,000. L.A. was supposed to have passed New York by now they predicted back in the 80's, but it didn't happen. L.A. CSA was supposed to have hit 18 million by now, but it still has not. These at-the-moment size comparisons ignore the larger trends especially when comparing a much older city to a much younger city. Atlanta will expand more and pull in more areas to be sure. MSA's and CSA's expand because people move INTO those counties from the developed ones, not because people in the rural ones suddenly start commuting to the central cores.

Edited by Unifour, 08 April 2007 - 12:03 PM.