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[Transplant]

Nash Square would be a fantastic area for a condo.

[Jones133]

Transplant, on Jan 13 2006, 01:17 PM, said:

Nash Square would be a fantastic area for a condo.

Lets see...City Government will not be developing condos...the N&O has mentioned possibly sticking some in with their redevelopment, Park Deveraux exists but when the Fire Station is unloaded by the city you might get some more.....I was thinking infilling around the Berkley would be great for some 3-6 story condos in the 110-160 range. The Firestone Garage, Berkley and Lawtons are all considered historic but there is still a lot of street frontage on Martin for more stuff plus that awesome hill rising up the back of the lot.....how about some europeon style development...surround the whole block with 3-6 story buildings, retail on the ground level, condos and cool apartments above with an inner courtyard...you could easily have 500 residents on this block with two dozen storefronts all pedestrian scale....no building so tall that Nash Square falls under artificial shade, all right in between the warehouse district and Fayetteville Street.

[urbanesq]

Jones133, on Jan 13 2006, 01:34 PM, said:

Lets see...City Government will not be developing condos...the N&O has mentioned possibly sticking some in with their redevelopment, Park Deveraux exists but when the Fire Station is unloaded by the city you might get some more.....I was thinking infilling around the Berkley would be great for some 3-6 story condos in the 110-160 range. The Firestone Garage, Berkley and Lawtons are all considered historic but there is still a lot of street frontage on Martin for more stuff plus that awesome hill rising up the back of the lot.....how about some europeon style development...surround the whole block with 3-6 story buildings, retail on the ground level, condos and cool apartments above with an inner courtyard...you could easily have 500 residents on this block with two dozen storefronts all pedestrian scale....no building so tall that Nash Square falls under artificial shade, all right in between the warehouse district and Fayetteville Street.

I love it!  That would be pefect for that area

[Transplant]

urbanesq, on Jan 13 2006, 01:36 PM, said:

I love it!  That would be pefect for that area

Sounds great! When I hit the lottery in April, I'll get it done!  

[avery]

good news!  Glad to see another project on the board.

[AndrewJS]

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when the Fire Station is unloaded

Amen.  I live on the corner of Park Devereaux next to the fire station.  I'm happy living there with or without the fire station, but I would be very happy for it to be replaced by something without sirens.  It's not even a very good location for the fire station, but unfortunately government inertia and historic considerations will probably prevent it from being moved in the short term.

As for the other businesses around the park, Berkeley cafe is the only one I would be sad to see go.

[Jones133]

AndrewJS, on Jan 13 2006, 02:44 PM, said:

Amen.  I live on the corner of Park Devereaux next to the fire station.  I'm happy living there with or without the fire station, but I would be very happy for it to be replaced by something without sirens.  It's not even a very good location for the fire station, but unfortunately government inertia and historic considerations will probably prevent it from being moved in the short term.

As for the other businesses around the park, Berkeley cafe is the only one I would be sad to see go.

I am pretty sure the City is consolidating stations 1 and 3 into a larger central fire and police headquarters at the site of station 3 and want to say, though not sure where I read it, that it is also part of 2008/2009 horizon...maybe a little farther out 2012 or so...I'll look into it.

[ncwebguy]

The city has been looking for years to create a new fire station to replace the one near Nash Square and Station 3 on the east side of downtown just south of New Bern Ave, possibly combining this with police headquarters.  Two lots that were in contention were the big seven acre lot on New Bern now owned by Raliegh Rescue Mission and somewhere in the North Blount neighborhood near the govenor's mansion.

The city government complex bounded by Harget, Dawson, Morgan, and McDowell is getting kinda old and could be in play if offices were moved somewhere else, like say the building on the 200 block of Fayetville Street the city owns and has moved several departments into already.  The only thing left would be a place for city council chambers, which I think could be moved to a room in the Convention center, since weeknights are usually slow for such facilities anyway.

The AT&T building is an ugly view, but Nash Square is across the street and it is in the center of everything --a few blocks from Glenwood South, Fayetville Street, Warehouse district/TTA station, etc.

Infill at the Bradshaw Realty lot should be in the 7-10 story ballpark, incorporating parking wrapped with shops, etc.  Then a few years down the road (2010-15), the city sells off its block and something in the 20-25 story range (at least) goes in there.  The block is north of Nash, so it *won't* cast a shadow over the park square, so why not go high?

[Jones133]

ncwebguy, on Jan 13 2006, 03:45 PM, said:

Infill at the Bradshaw Realty lot should be in the 7-10 story ballpark, incorporating parking wrapped with shops, etc.  Then a few years down the road (2010-15), the city sells off its block and something in the 20-25 story range (at least) goes in there.  The block is north of Nash, so it *won't* cast a shadow over the park square, so why not go high?

Yeah, thats probably a good block to go high on. Thanks for the fire station info.

[AndrewJS]

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I am pretty sure the City is consolidating stations 1 and 3 into a larger central fire and police headquarters at the site of station 3 and want to say, though not sure where I read it, that it is also part of 2008/2009 horizon...maybe a little farther out 2012 or so...I'll look into it.

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The city has been looking for years to create a new fire station to replace the one near Nash Square and Station 3 on the east side of downtown just south of New Bern Ave, possibly combining this with police headquarters. Two lots that were in contention were the big seven acre lot on New Bern now owned by Raliegh Rescue Mission and somewhere in the North Blount neighborhood near the govenor's mansion.

Good news, thanks!

[dmccall]

Better change this topic heading, reed!

The site plan for this project, the "Dawson Condominiums", was just filed. It looks like it's going to be 9 or 10 stories now, as the number of units has increased from 160 to 207 condo units. I put a little more about it at Raleighing. Here's the site plan link (.pdf file).

[ChiefJoJo]

This is great news for that block.  To me, this is a great place to build tall as it is near the future TTA stop and is basically just an ugly surface lot with a glorified trailer on it.  Also it will connect Reynolds Tower, the Dawson, and Park Deveraux from north to south so there would seem to be a tremendous opportunity for retail to work here.

[pack-man]

bye-bye view for the Dawson    Would hate to be in that situation.

[reed]

pack-man, on Oct 2 2006, 10:51 AM, said:

bye-bye view for the Dawson    Would hate to be in that situation.

yes, it really sucks living right between the warehouse district, glenwood south, and downtown proper, with another mixed use building going up right next door with additional retail/restaurant spaces to walk to.

the view from the dawson will only be obstructed at the southernmost part of skyline anyway, as far as I can tell.

[ncwebguy]

Depending on how high this is built, all south facing Dawson at Morgan condos would only have a view of this project.  The parking lot south of the building would still provide an angle toward the CBD even if they build right to the property line.  If I was buying for the view, I would only consider the units on the end of this building.  Anywhere else, I'd be there to be in the middle of it all.

This is good infill between F Street and the warehouse district and the TTA station.  With this and Bloomsbury, and Reynolds, what will be the number of people within a five minute walk to the Dillon Supply station?

The Dawson at Morgan building is not on the site plan, even though it has been open for about a year now...

[pack-man]

I'm just glad to see the unsightly surface lot go away.  I'm sure this project will bring a lot of stuff to this intersection and street life.

[ChiefJoJo]

I think this may end up being a very critical project.  I think it will really help bridge the gaps in DT development from F St to the Warehouse District and future TTA, while connecting Reynolds Tower, the Dawson, and Park Deveraux in a continuous 2 block area.  Let's hope for some fresh new designs for the building.

[bsutton1]

Story in today's N&O.  Still mentions 7 stories unless this is a different building
http://www.newsobser...ory/497216.html

Edited by bsutton1, 11 October 2006 - 05:28 AM.

[DwnTwnRaleighGuy]

(7, 9, 10 floors),This is becoming confusing! Is the site plan accurate or this new story? Also, this story states that all of the RBC Plaza condo's have been reserved? I seriously question that.

Edited by DwnTwnRaleighGuy, 11 October 2006 - 07:33 AM.

[Jones133]

DwnTwnRaleighGuy, on Oct 11 2006, 07:30 AM, said:

(7, 9, 10 floors),This is becoming confusing! Is the site plan accurate or this new story? Also, this story states that all of the RBC Plaza condo's have been reserved? I seriously question that.

I am sure the condos are reserved...but like the article states, they have not been converted to contracts. This is how investors (especially realtors!!) jack up the prices of real estate downtown. They are all willing to bet the reservation fee that there are lots of people who want a "delux apartment in the sky".