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#1 Rufus

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Posted 23 November 2005 - 06:28 PM

A lot of people have coined the term, Ivy League of the South, for some of the top colleges in the south. What many don't know is that the south is home to some of the top colleges in the country. What is your list of colleges that would fall under the Ivy League of the South?

Here's my list:

Duke University
Wake Forest University
Emory University
Vanderbilt University
UVA
Auburn University
UNC-Chapel Hill
Davidson College
College of William and Mary
VA Tech
Tulane University

It is nice to know that people from all over the world actually come here for a high-class education. Some of these colleges have also played huge roles in a city and state's economy, namely UNC-Chapel Hill and Duke with Research Triangle Park.

 

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Posted 23 November 2005 - 06:36 PM

Since the Ivy League only has 8 schools, I would edit the list down to:

University of Virginia
Duke
UNC
Wake Forest
Davidson
Vanderbilt
Emory
Georgia Tech

Davidson is tiny compared to the other schools. Also, the Ivy League schools are all private whereas UVa, UNC and Georgia Tech are public schools.

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Posted 23 November 2005 - 06:41 PM

My list is:

Wake Forest
Duke
Tulane
Emory
Vanderbilt
Davidson
UVA
VA Tech
UNC

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Posted 23 November 2005 - 10:01 PM

Rice University is definetely in that list.

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Posted 24 November 2005 - 11:34 AM

Washington and Lee University without a doubt......it's #12 in the country (Davidson is #10). Rice should be on that list......Tulane, VA Tech (PTI), Auburn etc should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Davidson or W&L (much less in any discussion of Ivy leagues).

Edited by redjeep77, 24 November 2005 - 11:35 AM.


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Posted 24 November 2005 - 10:40 PM

JMO, there's just one Ivy League and that's the real one.

If we're trying to compile a list of the "most exclusive" colleges of our region, I do agree with a couple of others here that the list should focus primarily on the elite private schools.

Nothing against places like Georgia State or Auburn or Mississippi State or other such mid-tier state universities, but Ivy League they're not. Now, if we want to coin the term "Kudzu League" to include the top 100 colleges and universities in the southeast, we'd be in business.

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 12:44 AM

Calling them the "Ivy league of the south" is a little degrading.

Having said that...

Vanderbilt
Duke
Emory
Rice
Tulane
UoMiami

I prefer top tier state schools myself.

UoFlorida
UoGeorgia
UNC
UoTennessee
UoTexas
UoAlabama

are all very good.

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 01:06 AM

If we are trying to stick with 8, I would go with....

Duke
William and Mary
Rice
SMU
Washington University (Missouri is pushing it but still south)
Vanderbilt
Davidson
Washington and Lee

It was hard to leave out UNC and UVA...they are a very close 9 & 10

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 01:32 AM

JMO, there's just one Ivy League and that's the real one.

If we're trying to compile a list of the "most exclusive" colleges of our region, I do agree with a couple of others here that the list should focus primarily on the elite private schools.

Nothing against places like Georgia State or Auburn or Mississippi State or other such mid-tier state universities, but Ivy League they're not. Now, if we want to coin the term "Kudzu League" to include the top 100 colleges and universities in the southeast, we'd be in business.

I could go with the Kudzu League! I say we also raise it to a number like 12 or 14 since there are more large and important (regionally, not nationally, in many cases) colleges down here.

Here's my Kudzu League:

Emory
Miami
William and Mary
Vanderbilt
Washington and Lee
Georgia tech
VA tech
Wake Forest
Duke
Tulane
UNC-Chapel hill
UGA
Virginia
Rice

I'm leaving out Davidson because it is tiny. If it were included, then you could probably toss Young Harris in as well.

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 12:23 PM

I don't want to use the term "Ivey League of the South", because the South is a region in the US that tends to set its own precedents and not rely on others.

Now, I don't have a list of 10 colleges and universities, but allow me to boast about my own univeristy. Univeristy of South Carolina's (yeah, the original USC) graduate program in international business is the top-ranked public university program in the country and No. 2 among all institutions, according to U.S. News & World Report.

If my findings are correct (and I'm 100% sure they are), 2005 marked the 16th consecutive year that the program at the Moore School of Business has been ranked either No. 1 or 2. The only public university ranked in the top five, USC outpaced Columbia University, Harvard University, Duke University, the University of Pennsylvania, New York University, and the University of Southern California. :D :D :D

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Posted 25 November 2005 - 07:33 PM

^ This is true.... USC is ranked constantly #2 behind Thunderbird in Phoenix as the top I Bus Schools in the country.

-Washington and Lee is also a small school like davidson, but it does indeed have a law school (which itself is ranked top 20 law schools too)

-Grad schools are quite a diff story though, because some of the "worst" undergrad schools have some of the best grad programs. For instance, East Carolina U is not known for it's academics. However, their medical school is #1 in the country for rural medicine (not harvard, yale, duke etc etc etc). Go figure huh

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Posted 26 November 2005 - 07:36 PM

The member institutions of the Southern Ivy League (AKA "Kudzu Leage") are:
  • Davidson
  • Furman
  • Auburn
  • Vanderbilt
  • Duke
  • Wake Forest
  • Rice
  • Emory
  • Rollins
  • Tulane


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Posted 26 November 2005 - 08:15 PM

In the scheme of things, where you went to college has little significance in the scheme of things. More important is what you learned and how you have applied to better yourself. A diploma from a prestige school is something you will file away and never talk about again once you get out into industry. (unless those were your greatest days, which is not good)

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Posted 28 November 2005 - 02:42 AM

When you go down to these smaller liberal arts schools it becomes entirely arbitrary. Rhodes College in Memphis, Suwannee in Tennessee, Millsapps in Mississippi, Hendrix in Arkansas, and many others have as much a right to be there as W&L, Davidson, or Furman. None are Amhersts or Wellesleys though.

For the hell of it, I put these in order of reputation in my opinion. There's a big dive from top to bottom...

Duke
Rice
Emory
Tulane
Vandy
Wake Forest
SMU
Some might throw in Miami but I wouldn't

It's hard to think of any other large reputable private schools.

I didn't count public schools but the top-rated ones generally are UVa, UNC, Ga Tech, and Texas. As an SEC fan, I would throw in Florida though it's a step down from these. The rest of the SEC schools are pretty average. Bama, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and UGa are decent.

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Posted 28 November 2005 - 08:35 AM

I like this opinion piece which discusses this whole idea of elite schools (ivy league) and their admissions practices from an outsider's perspective.
http://www.newyorker...010crat_atlarge

Edited by moonshield, 28 November 2005 - 09:42 AM.


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Posted 28 November 2005 - 10:52 AM

I don't want to use the term "Ivey League of the South", because the South is a region in the US that tends to set its own precedents and not rely on others.

Now, I don't have a list of 10 colleges and universities, but allow me to boast about my own univeristy. Univeristy of South Carolina's (yeah, the original USC) graduate program in international business is the top-ranked public university program in the country and No. 2 among all institutions, according to U.S. News & World Report.

If my findings are correct (and I'm 100% sure they are), 2005 marked the 16th consecutive year that the program at the Moore School of Business has been ranked either No. 1 or 2. The only public university ranked in the top five, USC outpaced Columbia University, Harvard University, Duke University, the University of Pennsylvania, New York University, and the University of Southern California. :D :D :D



While the Gamecocks have a highly-rated International Business program within US News & World Report's rankings for business schools, you have to keep in mind that they rank schools for 30+ specialties within business and, more importantly, have overall rankings which factor in the schools' rankings across all of the specialties that they offer. By the criteria of overall schools, South Carolina does not even make the top 50. There are 26 public business schools ranked in the top 50 and 15 or so southern business schools, yet University of South Carolina is not among them - that other USC did make the list though.

2006 rankings - http://www.usnews.co...arank_brief.php
1. Harvard University (MA)
2. Stanford University (CA)
2. University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
4. Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Sloan)
4. Northwestern University (Kellogg) (IL)
6. Dartmouth College (Tuck) (NH)
6. University of California–Berkeley (Haas)
8. University of Chicago
9. Columbia University (NY)
10. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor (Ross)
11. Duke University (Fuqua) (NC)
11. University of California–Los Angeles (Anderson)
13. New York University (Stern)
14. University of Virginia (Darden)
15. Cornell University (Johnson) (NY)
15. Yale University (CT)
17. Carnegie Mellon University (Tepper) (PA)
18. Emory University (Goizueta) (GA)
18. University of Texas–Austin (McCombs)
18. University of Washington
21. Ohio State University (Fisher)
21. University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler)
23. Purdue University–West Lafayette (Krannert) (IN)
23. University of Minnesota–Twin Cities (Carlson)
23. University of Rochester (Simon) (NY)
26. University of Southern California (Marshall)
27. Georgetown University (McDonough) (DC)
27. Indiana University–Bloomington (Kelley)
27. University of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign
27. University of Maryland–College Park (Smith)
31. Arizona State University–Main Campus (W. P. Carey)
32. Georgia Institute of Technology
32. Michigan State University (Broad)
32. Texas A&M University–College Station (Mays)
32. University of Notre Dame (Mendoza) (IN)
32. Washington University in St. Louis (Olin)
37. Pennsylvania State University–University Park (Smeal)
37. University of Iowa (Tippie)
37. University of Wisconsin–Madison
40. Brigham Young University (Marriott) (UT)
40. University of Arizona (Eller)
42. University of California–Davis
42. University of Florida (Warrington)
42. Wake Forest University (Babcock) (NC)
45. Tulane University (Freeman) (LA)
45. University of Georgia (Terry)
45. Vanderbilt University (Owen) (TN)
48. Boston University
49. Rice University (Jones) (TX)
49. University of California–Irvine

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Posted 28 November 2005 - 10:57 AM

Just for reference, the Ivy League consists of the following 8 schools, all of which are private:

Brown
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
Princeton
University of Pennsylvania
Yale

Wellesley, Smith, Middlebury, etc are not part of the Ivy League

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Posted 28 November 2005 - 10:58 AM

I will not try to throw in my 10 cents worth, but according to US News: From their list of the 120 Top National Universities. I did include Texas, Oklahoma, DC, and Maryland.

5) Duke
13) Johns Hopkins
17) Rice
18) Vanderbilt
20) Emory
23) Georgetown
23) Virginia
27) North Carolina
27) Wake Forest
31) William and Mary
37) Georgia Tech
43) Tulane
50) Florida
50) Texas
53) George Washington
55) Maryland
58) Georgia
60) Texas A&M
71) Southern Methodist
78) Baylor
78) Clemson
78) North Carolina State
85) American
85) Auburn
85) Tennessee
93) Howard
97) Tulsa
97) Texas Christian
104) Alabama
109) Florida State
109) Oklahoma
109) South Carolina
120) Kentucky

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Posted 28 November 2005 - 12:12 PM

Another fun bit about Endowments and Federal Research Grants. Makes a difference if your College has a Medical School at the Main Campus or not: These are in many ways apples and oranges because different schools do the whole system and others by individual campuses.

School Federal Research Endowment
Johns Hopkins 1 22
Duke 21 17
North Carolina 23 38
Alabama Birm 26 179
Texas 27 25
Texas A&M 28 9
Maryland 29 135
Baylor Medical 30 41
Emory 36 6
Florida 41 70
Vanderbilt 42 19
Georgia Tech 43 36
Virginia 46 24
Texas SW Dal 47 68
Miami 48 92
NC State 71 139
Texas MD And 71 144
Kentucky 74 120
Wake Forest 78 46
Georgia 84 113
Texas Galves 87 128
Tennessee 102 154
LSU 107 203
Rice 111 12

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Posted 28 November 2005 - 02:08 PM

Someone do the small liberal arts colleges in the south