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[Jones133]

JeffC, on 22 April 2010 - 02:10 PM, said:

would that road have been paved with anything, or would you just be looking for a road bed?  Also, did this road predate the extension of St. Mary's through there? If it diverged from St. Mary's at Nichols, it would have been running parallel to that road less than a block distant for nearly a mile...perhaps they closed this road when they built St. Mary's through there?

Yeah, I think St Mary's was more or less the replacement for this road in the 1920's when Hayes Barton was going in. Oberlin Village already existed though and to me it looks like an attempt to keep the very expensive Hayes Barton somewhat separate from Oberlin Village. Glenwood replaced the upper Hillsborough Road as the corridor into Raleigh around this time though I don't know exactly when. I know Glenwood got its name from the Glenwood neighborhood and was called Saunders before that and it took over as the long distance route into Raleigh while St Marys was a residential neighborhood.
Here is the link to the overlay maps. Look under Wake County for the 1935 map.

[Jones133]

I love this sleuthing stuff. I long suspected a part of the building Jade Garden is in was older than the rest of the grouping. I found an old picture that clearly shows this is the case!

[staffer]

pack-man, on 03 January 2006 - 03:13 PM, said:

My own story, while they were burying the power lines on Hillsborough Street between St. Mary's and Glenwood I watched the workers cutting wood and what looked to be an old railroad track.  I did a little searching and realized that it was the old street car line that use to run along Hillsborough St.  I guess they just repave over and over.  I say we dig it out and use it!!!  How cool would that be, a street tram from the Capital to NCSU.  The tracks are already there, could be cheap.  TTA, any thoughts, could be a great first mass transit scheme  

Deja vu, the current Glenwood Avenue street reconstruction project at Five Point stalled out in April when they "found" buried streetcar rail and crumbled concrete.  The rails were visiblle beginning in May after surface scraping, and the excavation of the old rail began a few days ago.  A photo album I just put together and posted shows literally tons of trolley rail dug up, along with dug up timbers (ties) on which the rails rested. The Glenwood Avenue line was built in 1912 to run out to Bloomsbury Park, and was probably abandoned about 1937. I am not sure when it was paved over. The second picture in the album shows an orange sign on a utility pole urges neighbors to find out about the impact of Southeast High Speed Rail on the neighborhood (the NS line is a few hundred yards or so east of Five Points)

Mike Legeors posted a lot of photos of the Five Points area rail taken June 2010 (post scraping pre excavation)

A nice history of Bloomsbury Park and the streetcar line to it with some pictures is around page 24-26 of the January 2010 isse of Wake County Physician magazine

Hustle out to Five Points in the next day or two if you get a chance.

[Jones133]

Mr Brown.
This house on South Street in Boylans Heights looks to be older than the the neighborhood itself (the 1900 date listed I know is just a sort of autofill I see all over the site, but is still older than 1907 the neighborhood date). This is of course in addition to the antebellum house (carriage house?) behind Montford Hall. The South Street house appears 1890's to me. Do you know any details? Thanks.

[Jones133]

Does anyone know whats up with the arrow on top of this building? Its the corner of Hargett and Wilmington.

[Oakie]

Jones133, on 22 January 2011 - 06:19 PM, said:

Mr Brown.
This house on South Street in Boylans Heights looks to be older than the the neighborhood itself (the 1900 date listed I know is just a sort of autofill I see all over the site, but is still older than 1907 the neighborhood date). This is of course in addition to the antebellum house (carriage house?) behind Montford Hall. The South Street house appears 1890's to me. Do you know any details? Thanks.

I'm not Mr. Brown, but from the Boylan Heights website, 805 W. South was "built in 1900 on Hillsborough Street and then moved to it’s present site  in 1903/04, making it the second house in Historic Boylan Heights"... It's a great house -

http://www.boylanhei...rg/trivia1.html

[Jones133]

Great thanks. I will now have to figure out where on Hillsborough it was moved from. Also, I am about 100% sure its the *third* oldest. Montford Hall is of course the oldest but there is a house...possibly a converted carriage house...behind Montford that is most likely antebellum. Had a conversation with some better architecture historians than myself who toured it while it was for sale and they said the building techniques were indeed antebellum. To me the window sashes, and floor boards all look just like other known antebellum homes downtown (only a dozen or so). Post civil war stuff  gets victorian looking pretty quickly (though a couple  still look antebellum,  but Mr. Brown pegged those particular dates in the 1870's ...two in Oakwood noted much earlier in the thread)

[Jones133]

Oakie, on 24 January 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

I'm not Mr. Brown, but from the Boylan Heights website, 805 W. South was "built in 1900 on Hillsborough Street and then moved to it’s present site  in 1903/04, making it the second house in Historic Boylan Heights"... It's a great house -

http://www.boylanhei...rg/trivia1.html

I thought something was fishy...its very rare for a house to be moved 3 years after it was built, plus the Boylan Ave bridge was probably still wooden in 1903 and would not have supported it....so I checked the 1914  Sanborn map and there is nothing on this lot in 1914. It was certainly moved in (its older than the rest of the neighborhood) but it came in later....maybe a typo? The apartments all along Hillsborough Street (Cameron Ct, Grosvenor etc) were built in the 1930's and caused a lot of homes to be torn down. At least one was moved into Cameron Park when the Credit Union was built in the 70's or 80's).  Perhaps this home in Boylan was moved the 1930's...? Need to dig more...

[Gard]

Triangle Business Journal has some really nice pictures up today of the beltline in it's early years, along with Capital blvd:

http://www.bizjourna...allery&img_no=1

[Jones133]

I recently got a hold of a treasure trove of similar pictures (slides really) from the early 70's. The government complex being graded, areas around the beltline interchanges etc. I hope to digitize them one day and make a flickr album.