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[joeDowntown]

Rockford Construction recently bought the property. I seriously doubt Tallhouse will ever happen (I liked parts of the design but hated the ground floor), but sounds like something is brewing.

Joe

[tSlater]

Whatever it is, I better see lots of renderings and pictures of its progress.  I can't exactly hop on a bicycle and check it out anymore.  Mississippi - Grand Rapids would be one hell of a long ride.

[SupercityGR]

If same one makes a huge announcement for a new skyscraper id gladly post pics for you. Iv been waiting for some big proposal for a while!

[tSlater]

Skyscrapers aren't everything.  Infill can be just as exciting if not moreso.  *was far more interested in 32 commerce than gallery on fulton*

[SupercityGR]

Ok, ill glady take pics for a new building or a new major infill

[GRDadof3]

Buildings are set to come down for the new Urban Market:

[SupercityGR]

Its good to see that side of town being slowly brought back. Sadly though the urban market is kinda a little out of the urban core.

[tSlater]

So was the arena when it was built.  Give it 10 years and that area will be part of the core, too.

[joeDowntown]

Agreed. The only real obstacle to it being seamlessly usurped into the core is the Wealthy Street overpass. But I don't think that will stop the area from booming.

Joe

tSlater, on 28 December 2011 - 08:23 AM, said:

So was the arena when it was built.  Give it 10 years and that area will be part of the core, too.

[SupercityGR]

Theres alot of old factorys and warehouses that would make great conversions

[GRDadof3]

joeDowntown, on 29 December 2011 - 10:11 PM, said:

Agreed. The only real obstacle to it being seamlessly usurped into the core is the Wealthy Street overpass. But I don't think that will stop the area from booming.

Joe

There is talk of bringing Wealthy down to grade when it gets rebuilt in a few years.  Huge expense though, we'll see where MDOT lands.

[tSlater]

With 131 going over instead?  Would be very beneficial to pedestrian activity but I'm not sure I could see it happening.

[GRDadof3]

tSlater, on 02 January 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

With 131 going over instead?  Would be very beneficial to pedestrian activity but I'm not sure I could see it happening.

I believe. 131 goes over the rest of downtown, drops abruptly to go under Wealthy, and then goes back UP again over the railroad tracks.

[fotoman311]

GRDadof3, on 02 January 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

I believe. 131 goes over the rest of downtown, drops abruptly to go under Wealthy, and then goes back UP again over the railroad tracks.

Maybe it had to do with the limited space they had for onramps?  They figured making the ramps go down would give merging traffic a better chance to gain speed?  Would be interesting to know the actual reasoning for that.  While a raised highway creates a barrier in the urban fabric as the rest of 131 does, it's even worse when it forces the huge overpass like Wealthy.

[Raildudes dad]

Wealthy was elevated to allow it to go over the railroad tracks on either side of US 131. The west side tracks were the approaches to the freight houses / yard to the north (Wealthy to Fulton area ) and the reason 131 is elevatated to Grandville Ave. The east side was the Pennsy's access to the west side via the "blue bridge" as well as acess to the businesses on Ionia. Those tracks did get removed until the rail consolidation plan of 1984.

[organsnyder]

When plans for the Amtrak station were announced, many people (myself included) wondered why the station is going to be located south of Wealthy, separated from Central Station by a parking lot. Perhaps this is because the long-term plans include bringing Wealthy down to grade. At that time, a pedestrian bridge could be constructed to connect the Amtrak Station with Central Station.

I notice that reconstructing US-131 from 28th St. to Wealthy, including adding weave/merge lanes, is on the 2035 GVMC plan. This project might be an ideal time to raise 131, as the bridges south of Wealthy will, I assume, already need to be reconstructed to add the new lanes. The project is in the Illustrative Project List appendix, though there is a price-tag listed, so some planning has already been done.

[Raildudes dad]

organsnyder, on 03 January 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

When plans for the Amtrak station were announced, many people (myself included) wondered why the station is going to be located south of Wealthy, separated from Central Station by a parking lot. Perhaps this is because the long-term plans include bringing Wealthy down to grade. At that time, a pedestrian bridge could be constructed to connect the Amtrak Station with Central Station.

I notice that reconstructing US-131 from 28th St. to Wealthy, including adding weave/merge lanes, is on the 2035 GVMC plan. This project might be an ideal time to raise 131, as the bridges south of Wealthy will, I assume, already need to be reconstructed to add the new lanes. The project is in the Illustrative Project List appendix, though there is a price-tag listed, so some planning has already been done.

I had to chuckle at the forum because the reason they gave that they can't go north of Wealthy because there's not enough clearance over the tracks. Funny thing is 30 years ago there were active tracks in the very location they propose and the tracks went all the way to and north of Fulton.

US131 over the RR is going to be rehabbed this summer or next.

Edited by Raildudes dad, 03 January 2012 - 04:22 PM.

[Veloise]

organsnyder, on 03 January 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

... raise 131....some planning has already been done.

And mucho discussion. (It's not a location that would ever be applying for a variance.)

[joeDowntown]

I was looking out my office window yesterday at Wealthy. It would be quite a feat to raise 131 and lower Wealthy (money, disruption, etc) but it sure would open up the south end. I'd love to see it happen. A lot of potential in the warehouses South of Wealthy.

Joe

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