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[misterchlo]

runawayjim, on Aug 21 2007, 05:51 PM, said:

that would be a smart idea.  however, it sounds like they might be considering it and whoever wrote the editorial is very much in favor of that.  i say leave them open until 3am on weekdays and 4am on weekends, but stop serving alcohol at 2am for both.  there are people who go out just to get drunk and people who go out and want to have fun, which may or may not include alcohol, but that fun can sometimes go until after they close and it won't matter if they're still drinking or not.

a club in new haven (gotham citi i think) will stay open after the 2am cut off, but stop serving alcohol.  it's a pretty popular place.

yeah, it looks like the projo board is behind it but its not been implemented yet.  if this actually happens i will be so proud of the mind-numbing glacial progress of thinking of community leaders on this topic.  i have been beating my head against a wall reading about the lack of logic on this issue for years. they even used to talk about possibly making the bars close an hour earlier at 1AM saying that all the problems were caused by people driving in from the suburbs after the bars closed there for one last hour of drinking.  the knee jerk reaction has been soooo illogical.  stop serving booze at 2AM and then immediately push 'em all out the door is and has proven to be a disastrous idea.  stop serving at 2, let 'em keep dancing and buying red bulls and bottled waters until 3 or 4, and people are gonna naturally stagger out at different times.  no more jammed up mad house downtown and like others have said you'll have given Providence an even more progressive nightlife edge.  Anyone from Boston who actually wants a decent late night scene is going to completely get in the car and come down here...

[CtownMikey]

http://thephoenix.co...0740dfbee3.aspx



Is anybody here on this forum against a 4 a.m. closing time?? I think in addition to of course making peace with all of the current problems of the a 2.m. closing time, it would be a nice boost for the city and put it in line with NYC, DC, and Miami as far as nightlife hours go.

[runawayjim]

CtownMikey, on Dec 5 2007, 08:02 AM, said:

http://thephoenix.co...0740dfbee3.aspx



Is anybody here on this forum against a 4 a.m. closing time?? I think in addition to of course making peace with all of the current problems of the a 2.m. closing time, it would be a nice boost for the city and put it in line with NYC, DC, and Miami as far as nightlife hours go.

it'd be a great thing for the city's nightlife.  however, i'm not sure the bars should be allowed to serve alcohol beyond 2, but the clubs should be able to stay open for those people who want to continue dancing, listening to music, or whatever.

[CtownMikey]

yea liquor would stop being served at 2.

[jencoleslaw]

They should try it and if it works great. If not, then it should stop. Of course, what about the people who bought condos above who were told that the club would close at 2 am? Do they just suck it up? do they have any rights to say "no" to 4 am close?

[runawayjim]

jencoleslaw, on Dec 5 2007, 08:50 AM, said:

They should try it and if it works great. If not, then it should stop. Of course, what about the people who bought condos above who were told that the club would close at 2 am? Do they just suck it up? do they have any rights to say "no" to 4 am close?

if the clubs are properly soundproofed, there won't be as much of an issue.  the delayed closing will also prevent the huge mass of people leaving at 2 as people will likely filter out more slowly between 2 and 4 (the ones just there to drink will most likely leave at 2, those there to dance or listen to music will leave when they're tired).  so the end result would probably be less noise on the street.

[mandrake258]

jencoleslaw, on Dec 5 2007, 08:50 AM, said:

They should try it and if it works great. If not, then it should stop. Of course, what about the people who bought condos above who were told that the club would close at 2 am? Do they just suck it up? do they have any rights to say "no" to 4 am close?

I dunno... do the landed gentry have a right to shape public policy for the unwashed club-going masses?

[stylin]

runawayjim, on Dec 5 2007, 09:04 AM, said:

if the clubs are properly soundproofed, there won't be as much of an issue.  the delayed closing will also prevent the huge mass of people leaving at 2 as people will likely filter out more slowly between 2 and 4 (the ones just there to drink will most likely leave at 2, those there to dance or listen to music will leave when they're tired).  so the end result would probably be less noise on the street.

from my understanding the problem isn't so much soundproffing....the problem is that alot of venues (especially the smaller ones) tend to leave their doors open or have frequent patrons that go in and out (cig break, etc...)so music carrys into the streets and up to the residients, also there tends to be people that just love to hang around all the excitment that goes on late night downtown...wether it's 2am or 4am they still love to hang around......I feel that if you stagger the closings threwout the area (love to see the city attempt to pull that off but I still wish them the best of luck.) it might be more successful then an automactic transition to an eventual 4am.

The real solution to this problem would be if clubs ran themselves, I mean all clubs, bars etc...that serve alchol the same way the east village(nyc) does, No BULL#@!!% policy.

[runawayjim]

stylin, on Dec 6 2007, 11:38 PM, said:

from my understanding the problem isn't so much soundproffing....the problem is that alot of venues (especially the smaller ones) tend to leave their doors open or have frequent patrons that go in and out (cig break, etc...)so music carrys into the streets and up to the residients, also there tends to be people that just love to hang around all the excitment that goes on late night downtown...wether it's 2am or 4am they still love to hang around......I feel that if you stagger the closings threwout the area (love to see the city attempt to pull that off but I still wish them the best of luck.) it might be more successful then an automactic transition to an eventual 4am.

The real solution to this problem would be if clubs ran themselves, I mean all clubs, bars etc...that serve alchol the same way the east village(nyc) does, No BULL#@!!% policy.

people hanging out on the streets is going to be a problem anywhere, regardless of the type of business downstairs, next door, wherever.  that type of noise can't be taken care of as easily as the music issue.  as you said, there will always be people who love to hang around, and that's up to the cops to disperse them.

[Jenkins]

mandrake258, on Dec 6 2007, 05:58 PM, said:

I dunno... do the landed gentry have a right to shape public policy for the unwashed club-going masses?

preach it chairman mao.

[jencoleslaw]

mandrake258, on Dec 6 2007, 06:58 PM, said:

I dunno... do the landed gentry have a right to shape public policy for the unwashed club-going masses?

beats me. do poor people get to shape public policy around things like environmental justice, and affordable housing and job opportunities?

[stylin]

runawayjim, on Dec 7 2007, 07:08 AM, said:

people hanging out on the streets is going to be a problem anywhere, regardless of the type of business downstairs, next door, wherever.  that type of noise can't be taken care of as easily as the music issue.  as you said, there will always be people who love to hang around, and that's up to the cops to disperse them.

good point, but at the hours you try to call the police no one is available to dispurse the situation.
so it just goes on, and on..........

[runawayjim]

stylin, on Dec 9 2007, 12:26 AM, said:

good point, but at the hours you try to call the police no one is available to dispurse the situation.
so it just goes on, and on..........

my point is that the police presence downtown late at night is pretty heavy.  if they're not at the bar below you, they're at a bar nearby.  of course, if you live outside of downtown, it might be more difficult, but there are fewer people living above bars outside of downtown.

[Frankie811]

I'm posting this here because this is where we've discussed this issue in the past.

A new strategy to attack a decades-old nightlife problem in Providence

A consensus has been built, some civic leaders say, to take a step now that has been long resisted by the police and area residents: Extend the mandatory closing by one hour so crowds trickle out rather than pour out.

http://www.projo.com...95.2136fe5.html