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[runawayjim]

Cotuit, on Apr 7 2006, 12:30 AM, said:

Diesel neighbor describes noise, safety fears. A nearby resident says noise from rowdy patrons often wake her from sleep, and sometimes club goers solicit her as she walks home. [ProJo.com]

you know, testimony like that makes me angry.  "i assume it was club diesel because there were lots of people outside it earlier".  has she seen the other clubs in providence on a weekend night?  there are long lines to get into all of them.

it will be an absolute shame if they close the club based on this woman's and the other guy's testimony since neither of them have actually seen the patrons come out of diesel and start causing problems.

and i want to know what the clubgoers could possibly be soliciting her for?  at least they don't leave the area when you walk by... i've had bums follow me for blocks in providence trying to get me to give them some cash.

[brick]

runawayjim, on Apr 7 2006, 07:22 AM, said:

you know, testimony like that makes me angry.  "i assume it was club diesel because there were lots of people outside it earlier".  has she seen the other clubs in providence on a weekend night?  there are long lines to get into all of them.

it will be an absolute shame if they close the club based on this woman's and the other guy's testimony since neither of them have actually seen the patrons come out of diesel and start causing problems.

and i want to know what the clubgoers could possibly be soliciting her for?  at least they don't leave the area when you walk by... i've had bums follow me for blocks in providence trying to get me to give them some cash.

What makes me angry, still, is the fact that she moved downtown in order to be closer to the action but she really just wants it to be the east side but urbanized.

I went to a concert at Lupo's last night which of course becomes Club Diesel afterward.  Even on a thursday night, there was a large police presence.  This begs two questions.  One - where are the cops at the end of the night when all of these "problems" occur, and two (a legitimate case, I guess) is Providence relaly only worried about this because they don't want to pay the cops to do that detail?

The selectman in this case is hardly worthy of his elected office either.  Talk about gladhanding to try and reap more votes.  Form a real opinion out of knowledge instead of reactionary crap to your loudest residents.

[Jerry2]

Am I the only one that thinks that the Projo fails in journalism reporting? Is it really necessary or fair to quote two people who can only "assume" and not hear from people that appreciate the music scene? I guess I shouldn't be alarmed since we live in an age when sensational media news is king? Rita Cosby...Greta Van??,...

[runawayjim]

Jerry02908, on Apr 7 2006, 09:13 AM, said:

Am I the only one that thinks that the Projo fails in journalism reporting? Is it really necessary or fair to quote two people who can only "assume" and not hear from people that appreciate the music scene? I guess I shouldn't be alarmed since we live in an age when sensational media news is king? Rita Cosby...Greta Van??,...

here's the problem... club diesel isn't really the music scene.  lupo's is.  i don't think they have problems before or after shows at lupo's.  the problems start after club diesel empties out.  diesel only operates on thursday-saturday nights.  the other 4 nights it's solely lupo's and i don't think they have  problems on those nights (and honestly, i'm not surprised).

[Cotuit]

brick, on Apr 7 2006, 08:26 AM, said:

is Providence relaly only worried about this because they don't want to pay the cops to do that detail?

The venue pays for the police detail. It is $179.12 for a uniformed patrolman and $44.78 per hour for every hour over four hours. The rate raises through the ranks to $310.64 for a Major and $77.66 for every hour over 4. A mounted officer is $195.24 and $48.81 for every hour over 4. Plain clothes officers are more. If there are four officers or more requested for the detail a ranking officer of at least Sergeant is also sent.

Far from worrying about paying for the detail, the union is worried about not getting the details.

Jerry02908, on Apr 7 2006, 09:13 AM, said:

Am I the only one that thinks that the Projo fails in journalism reporting?

No you are not the only one. Someone mentioned at the last forum meeting how the only news about Providence the Journal reports is sensationalistic and people living in Westerly or Tiverton who never come to Providence would think it were some sort of mini-Baghdad.

[HartfordTycoon]

Next time I'm in PVD I've GOT to hit Diesel and I'm not playing around. If it's this much activity, it's probably where I want to be.

[Cotuit]

HartfordTycoon, on Apr 7 2006, 10:20 AM, said:

Next time I'm in PVD I've GOT to hit Diesel and I'm not playing around. If it's this much activity, it's probably where I want to be.

Better hurry up!

[brick]

Cotuit, on Apr 7 2006, 10:11 AM, said:

The venue pays for the police detail. It is $179.12 for a uniformed patrolman and $44.78 per hour for every hour over four hours. The rate raises through the ranks to $310.64 for a Major and $77.66 for every hour over 4. A mounted officer is $195.24 and $48.81 for every hour over 4. Plain clothes officers are more. If there are four officers or more requested for the detail a ranking officer of at least Sergeant is also sent.

This is what I figured but I can't reconcile why the city in general wants to close the place down if it is putting money in the coffers.

I understand the "problems" of the residents, but surely there is some kind of compromise between letting chaos reign and just closing the place.  I know several people here have suggested staying open longer.  Maybe instead of staying open longer actually enforce a rule that they stop serving at 1 AM or midnight.  Let people pay extra at the door to make up for the lost drink revenue.  I'm not sure.  Or maybe one of those things is to get the police detail later in the evening.  We honestly weren't sure why there were so many policemen at 10:30.  The ratio was maybe 6 people for every cop.

[Cotuit]

Cops vs. clubs. Rather than doing a better job of managing nightlife, Providence tries to squelch it. [The Providence Phoenix]

[CtownMikey]

God forbid the cops have to encounter violence and enforce rules. Also, is there an explanation given as to why a pilot program for a 4 a.m. closing time is not in consideration? It seems like the clubs are arguing with 2 year olds. They get no response when it comes to trying to work out an agreement that will potentially fix everything. That obviously shows that anyone who is anti-nightlife in this case has other motives... and that is a shame.

Who will have the final say in this case? A judge? or the Mayor? I'm a little confused when it comes to who is invloved.

[jencoleslaw]

i think the licensing board decides, but the clubs can then appeal to superior court.  I think anyway.

[Cotuit]

CtownMikey, on Apr 7 2006, 01:51 PM, said:

Who will have the final say in this case? A judge? or the Mayor? I'm a little confused when it comes to who is invloved.

Final final? I would be willing to bet a judge.

[CtownMikey]

Phizzy, on Apr 7 2006, 01:41 PM, said:

My home metro of Grand Rapids has to be close to number one safest metro overall for metros with over one million in population, when looking at both crime statistics and weather disaster statistics.

Morgan Quitno Press ranks Grand Rapids 8th safest for crime for metros with over 1,000,000 in population.

Risk and Insurance Magazine ranks Grand Rapids 7th safest for weather for metros with over 1,000,000 in population.

Safest 1,000,000+ Population Metros for Crime

Rank Metro								 
  1  Monmouth-Ocean, NJ				   
  2  Middlesex-Somerset-Hunterdon, NJ	
  3  Bergen-Passaic, NJ				  
  4  Orange County, CA					
  5  Pittsburgh, PA					   
  6  San Jose, CA						
  7  Rochester, NY						
  8  Grand Rapids-Muskegon-Holland, MI	
  9  Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN-WI		  
 10  Providence-Fall River-Warwick, RI-MA

Safest 1,000,000+ Population Metros for Weather

Rank Metro
  1  Sacramento, Calif.
  2  Phoenix, Ariz.
  3  Rochester, N.Y.
  4  Columbus, Ohio
  5  Buffalo, N.Y.
  6  Cincinnati, Ohio
  7  Grand Rapids, Mich.
  8  San Diego, Calif.
  9  Pittsburgh, Pa.
 10  Hartford, Conn.

Pittsburgh is the only other metro on both lists...

Seems like Providence metro is pretty safe.  Anyways, I wish I could (or we) do something as far as this goes to make the decision more reasonable, because I have a feeling that it will not be a fair outcome. But I also have a feeling that teenagers like myself will have no impact if I showed up at a hearing. Is it open to public discussion?

[Garris]

CtownMikey, on Apr 7 2006, 12:00 PM, said:

Seems like Providence metro is pretty safe.

Wow, great news to be that highly ranked!  

Off topic, I thought this was interesting...

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9  Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN-WI

??  I think many people in the Twin Cities would find it more than a bit humorous to think that someone included Wisconsin in their metro   .

Back to Club Diesel discussion!

- Garris

[Dan]

George Acosta is spinning at Diesel on April 21st!  One week from today...

[CtownMikey]

http://www.myspace.com/dieselri



followed by Louie Devito, Dj Sammy, Chris Cox, DJ Skribble, lots of good names!!!!


HEY lets close down this club! It does NOTHING for Providence

[HartfordTycoon]

CtownMikey, on Apr 14 2006, 07:25 AM, said:

http://www.myspace.com/dieselri
followed by Louie Devito, Dj Sammy, Chris Cox, DJ Skribble, lots of good names!!!!
HEY lets close down this club! It does NOTHING for Providence

You guys should already know that hip hop and urban music have a bad name to those who don't appreciate it, especially among the demographic that tends to run city government. I hope they don't shut this club down, I want to check it out when I get around to visiting Prov.

Edited by HartfordTycoon, 14 April 2006 - 12:41 PM.

[Frankie811]

HartfordTycoon, on Apr 14 2006, 01:40 PM, said:

You guys should already know that hip hop and urban music have a bad name to those who don't appreciate it, especially among the demographic that tends to run city government. I hope they don't shut this club down, I want to check it out when I get around to visiting Prov.

It's not really hip-hop, but dance music.

[CtownMikey]

upstairs is hip-hop

[damus]

Garris, on Apr 7 2006, 02:31 PM, said:

I think many people in the Twin Cities would find it more than a bit humorous to think that someone included Wisconsin in their metro  
- Garris

Heh... that's the kind of talk to get the CT board riled up. If Hartford and New Haven were considered one metro (they absolutely should), they'd be #18 in gross metropolitan product. The others there think Springfield should also be included since it's 25 miles from the capitol. Add Springfield, which I think is isolated and if anything linked to Boston, and it's up to 15th. It's all tied to their wish to see the Whalers come back...

Back on topic, there hasn't been much in the papers recently about this. Is this nonsense about closing the club petering out or is there some sort of meeting or timeline already in place? I like the idea of trying to model the area after Rue St Catherine, though I'm not sure if puritanical RI would put up with something akin to Super Sexe right in an upscale neighborhood. I'm not educated in the matter, but I can't help but believe that if you build up downcity as a 24 hour multipurpose destination and a generally fun place to be, Providence's reputation, and population, will grow big time. Lupos cannot be closed down if downcity is to continue to thrive.

Edited by damus, 14 April 2006 - 08:18 PM.