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[ericurbanite]

WOW!!  The building looks awesome!  It doesn't matter to me if it isnt that tallest because it just fits so well with the skyline.  I love the modern design.  Hopefully Fayetteville Street will turn out to be like Glenwood and wouldnt it be cool to live in one of those condos overlooking Fayetteville Street at night with people everywhere down the street in 2008.

Way to go RBC, come on Mr. Reynolds were waiting on you.....

[dmccall]

avery, on Dec 6 2005, 12:56 PM, said:

The WRAL noon news said that a major grocery chain is looking into a downtown store.

I believe this will be the one we talked about last week in the Seaboard area (Logans area). ...but I'm all for surprises

BTW, I'm in on liking it, too. As y'all may remember, I was fearful they would waste that lot with a hidden 20 story building. (I like the Progress building, but am frustrated that you can't see it from anywhere). I agree, it looks like a pool plaza at the base of the condo portion.

The only potential downfall I see at this point is that it might look like we stacked a 10 story condo building on a 20 story office building. The two need to integrate really well. I really like the ascending element at the top with the prominent logo on its side.

This is an exciting day for us all!! I, too, am excited about Site 1 and Site 4. Would love to see Duke stay excited and develop somewhere between the convention center and the warehouse area. The Hargett/Jones spine is the next axis to develop. Let's go to it!!!

Edited by dmccall, 06 December 2005 - 01:59 PM.

[avery]

dmccall, on Dec 6 2005, 02:39 PM, said:

I believe this will be the one we talked about last week in the Seaboard area (Logans area). ...but I'm all for surprises

The one at Seaboard is an independant grocer.  The news said a major chain.  I feel for the independant if a chain like Harris Teeter moves to downtown.

[ericurbanite]

hmm wonder what it would look like at night???  Imagine some of the different condos lit up at night and the RBC logo at the top.  I bet this building will look great at night!

[Dale]

ericurbanite, on Dec 6 2005, 03:00 PM, said:

hmm wonder what it would look like at night???  Imagine some of the different condos lit up at night and the RBC logo at the top.  I bet this building will look great at night!

It may very well look its best at night. Just a guess.

[avery]

Dale, on Dec 6 2005, 03:01 PM, said:

It may very well look its best at night. Just a guess.

With the proper lighting, I bet it will look great.

[DanRNC]

This story in TBJ talks how about how the building will be divided up.

Story

[urbanesq]

dmccall, on Dec 6 2005, 02:39 PM, said:

Would love to see Duke stay excited and develop somewhere between the convention center and the warehouse area.

City Council authorized staff to continue negotiations with the original Site 1 team today.  I'd love to see Duke and other developers make a rush on downtown, but I don't know that the economics are there for that just yet.  My guess is that you'll see RBC and Site One, maybe a scaled-down Reynolds and that's about it for couple of years.  Here's hopin they prove me wrong.

That said, the renderings look very cool, and I agree that all the glass will make the skyline light up really nicely, especially at night.  It will be neat to see the "books" fill in between the "bookends"  Overall a very nice addition to the downtown core!

So, also, I think the 29-story thing is a building code issue.  Raleigh doesn't have a zoning-based height restriction to my knowledge.  I think that the threshhold at which much more is required of the building structurally, so that one would have to go much taller to spread that cost over more space.

[ncwebguy]

RE: major chain grocer downtown
I think the downtown market will be able to support the Seaboard/Logan independent store (if it specializes in organic, etc.) and a chain (like the Mini-Teeter in Charlotte).  Cameron Village has Fresh Market, HT, and Figs and all seem to do well even though another HT is down Oberlin at Glenwood, and another "alternative" grocer is not that far away in the form of Whole Foods/Wellspring.

With the addition of Capitol Park/Pilot Mill residences, Oakwood/Mordecai that have only been served by Cameron Village or Wake Forest/Six Forks, plus all the condos opening soon, plus Carlton Place and the new Chavis Heights coming soon just east of downtown, there will be plenty of beds nearby!

I would like to see this on Progress Energy's Wilmington/Martin/Blount/Davie block, but if it's one of the retail tenants of the new RBC building, I won't complain!  WRAL's website says nothing about a grocery store yet...

The new Progress tower is *very* impressive from the east and south, but "hides" in the views from the north and west.  With its height and location on the Fayetville St. high ground, the new RBC tower should be visible from all directions.  It is good that the RBC CEO feels "[Raleigh] is where we believe we have the best chance to grow."

That being said, I hope every new building doesn't feel like it has to have an aerodynamic "fin" -- Progress Energy's is just for the name and logo, but upon closer inspection, the RBC one might be a ballroom/open space?  That would be cool.... If not, then a "rooftop bar on the ledge" (above the offices/below the condos) overlooking Fayetville Street (a la Ghost bar in the Palms Hotel in Las Vegas) would be super sweet.
Though the condo developer may be against this idea

All this *plus* whatever Captial Broadcasting ends up doing with their TV news operations and/or WRAL FM, etc.

[niceguy]

Go Raleigh!  

This is my first post here (although I have been "visiting" for a while).  

This building is simply awesome and will hopefully be a catalyst for future development in the downtown area!

[Jones133]

ncwebguy, on Dec 6 2005, 03:39 PM, said:

RE: major chain grocer downtown
I think the downtown market will be able to support the Seaboard/Logan independent store (if it specializes in organic, etc.) and a chain (like the Mini-Teeter in Charlotte).  Cameron Village has Fresh Market, HT, and Figs and all seem to do well even though another HT is down Oberlin at Glenwood, and another "alternative" grocer is not that far away in the form of Whole Foods/Wellspring.

With the addition of Capitol Park/Pilot Mill residences, Oakwood/Mordecai that have only been served by Cameron Village or Wake Forest/Six Forks, plus all the condos opening soon, plus Carlton Place and the new Chavis Heights coming soon just east of downtown, there will be plenty of beds nearby!

I would like to see this on Progress Energy's Wilmington/Martin/Blount/Davie block, but if it's one of the retail tenants of the new RBC building, I won't complain!  WRAL's website says nothing about a grocery store yet...

I too think this is the best space for a chain grocery. With 140 condos at RBC and 180 at Site 1 plus 64 at Palladium and 52 (I think) at Hudson, plus Founders Row, Person Pointe and New Bern Place (about 50 total) existing you will have the critical mass to support such a store. (Glenwood south grocery business would likely be split between downtown and CV) Bring it up to 12 stories with parking/office/residential and you have a nice looking block.

[urbanesq]

niceguy, on Dec 6 2005, 04:37 PM, said:

This is my first post here (although I have been "visiting" for a while).

Welcome to the forum!

[NCMike1981]

WRAL was just reporting about the independent grocer that was announced a while back for Seaboard Station. Maybe all of this news coverage will get Raleigh citizens excited about their downtown!

[Tayfromcarolina]

It seems too be.  Plus don't forget about Dorthea Dix campus there are plans to build 2 10 story residential and mixed use buildings there also to go with the tranformation of that area. I still say they should build an aquarium.  Look at atlanta and all the publicity they are getting from the Georgia Aquarium.  Raleigh just needs something to make it a "MUST SEE" Place. Something different and unique.

[ncwebguy]

The WRAL story on the Seaboard grocery store getting a low-interest loan also states:

The owner of the new store, which is part of the Seaboard Station Development Project, is also committing to a satellite location in the center of downtown when a suitable space becomes available.

Not sure what the timetable is for this or what counts as "suitable space" but this is quite good news!
Seaboard gets its anchor tenant grocer *and* the "heart" of downtown gets a location too!  Maybe they  could end up as a tenant in the RBC tower?

[plus2]

First impresssion...I like it.

I wish it incorporated some sort of rooftop experience for visitors, like lots of big city tallest buildings have lookouts on the top floor.  It appears in the rendering that the very top (where the RBC logo is located) is the top of an elevator shaft.

***What would be freakin awesome is if you could see out of the elevator onto Fayetteville St. as you road upwards.

[urbanvb]

I found these renderings on another site courtesy of ncvwgtiboi.

[jermainew]

I embrace the long-awaited arrival of this project as a big fan of DT Raleigh but I see a striking  resemblence/morph with progress 1 and progress 2 --   They took the 20 story Progress 1 and added the top 10 stories of Progress 2 to make the RBC tower--


I have to admit that DT was in desperate need of glass somewhere and RBC will deliver that -- as well as another jewel in the night sky when aluminated!

I envisioned the Buckhead Grand (Tower Place) in Buckhead to be a perfect fit for this site---
-- all in all something is better than nothing -- kiss the infamous bookends goodbye in '08

[ralncdude]

http://www.rbccentura.com/images/newhq_Downtown-Skyline.jpg
http://www.raleigh-n...ew-saunders.jpg
If someone could put these two photos together to see how the skyline will look in 2008 - 2010  with the new  convention center. I'm not good at thoes photo editors. Remember there will be a new Mariott and a new court house in the skyline also.

I see I do not spell well also, (those)

Sorry

Edited by orulz, 07 December 2005 - 10:33 AM.

[JunktionFET]

I like the design of the tower--it looks like has the characteristic Raleigh-ish styling cues, and thus it should fit in nicely. I will be glad to see the "Book Ends" profile go away.