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#1061 GvilleSC

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 07:11 AM

View Postkrazeeboi, on 10 June 2011 - 10:23 PM, said:

The most recent city council work session included an item about pedestrian safety in the Vista. Some excerpts:



And here's the link to the "Heart of the Vista" plans. One of the suggestions it sounds like council will go with is using StreetPrintXD™ at key intersections in the Vista to increase visibility at those crosswalks.
I've basically said as much before. Of course, it sounds better to everyone when coming from a Columbian. Nevertheless, good to see!

 

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 11:10 AM

View PostGvilleSC, on 11 June 2011 - 07:11 AM, said:

I've basically said as much before. Of course, it sounds better to everyone when coming from a Columbian. Nevertheless, good to see!
Do you derive pleasure from making snide comments like this?

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 07:51 AM

I've basically said as much before. Of course, it sounds better to everyone when coming from a Columbian. Nevertheless, good to see!


Do you derive pleasure from making snide comments like this?

Eh, it's just the Napoleon complex from the Greenville-ites.  They can't help themselves.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 07:22 PM

When the World of Beer opens in early December in the Vista, it will have 500 different brands of bottled beers (craft beers) and 50 on tap. World of Beer, which will have live music, also will sell wine and cigars – no liquor – and serve a limited menu of bar food: hot dogs, bratwurst, cheese and salami platters.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 02:00 PM

Y'all ready fa dis?  A Hyatt Place Hotel will make their proposal for 823 Gervais Street (next to Jason's) to the DDRC this month.  The height might have to come down a little, but I'm loving the rendering.  Yes, it's brick, in an historic brick warehouse district, and it doesn't look too awfully unlike a converted warehouse in an historic warehouse district.

http://www.columbia....el_Informal.pdf

Edited by CorgiMatt, 04 November 2011 - 02:03 PM.


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Posted 04 November 2011 - 04:43 PM

I like the rendering; I think it looks better than the previously proposed Center Vista development and will be a little taller as well. The only thing I don't like is the rear parking lot that will face Lady. That needs to be developed as well; there doesn't need to be any surface parking associated with this hotel at all.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 05:28 PM

To me it will depend on how it looks off of Lady.  In large cities some hotels in the urban core have drive-up areas even in front, although not necessarily parking areas.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 05:36 PM

From the renderings, it just looks like your standard surface lot fronting the street. That's a no-no if you're wanting to make Lady Street a strolling area--unless it's a temporary lot open to future development. That's how it was going to be with Center Vista: the office building fronting Gervais and a lot facing Lady that would eventually be developed.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 10:26 PM

Nice. Downtown Columbia is getting business after business. Keep this up and we will start looking like Charlotte.

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 05:24 AM

View Postgrowingup15, on 04 November 2011 - 10:26 PM, said:

Nice. Downtown Columbia is getting business after business. Keep this up and we will start looking like Charlotte.

It's going to take a whole lot more before that starts happening. And by that time, Charlotte will probably start looking like present-day Atlanta.

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 08:52 AM

View Postkrazeeboi, on 05 November 2011 - 05:24 AM, said:

It's going to take a whole lot more before that starts happening. And by that time, Charlotte will probably start looking like present-day Atlanta.
Yeah your right.

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 09:29 AM

I'm not concerned with looking like anything but a well-utilized city with a large, strong, vibrant urban footprint, and to the extent that that hasn't quite happened yet, it is happening before my eyes.  It's a great time to be living here.

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 11:44 AM

Well said Corgi.

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 02:18 AM

The design for the Hyatt Place has been tweaked a bit and the height has come down. Here's the rendering:

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And here's the site plan:

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The new rendering is more akin to that of the previously planned Center Vista project in terms of architecture.

The parking is more of a challenge with this project because the hotel will be built mid-block. Here are the DDRC recommendations regarding parking:

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Site plan review will be conducted by the Planning Commission as the project will be going to them
anyway for a traffic study review (comments from the City’s land development planner regarding
the landscape ordinance will be given at this time). However, comments from the DDRC will be
shared with the Planning Commission. Previous comments from the DDRC on the site centered
around making the Lady Street parking lot look less like a parking lot (since the -DD guidelines
require parking lots to be mid-block rather than on the street edge) as well as ushering pedestrians
more clearly and safely through the parking lot. Comments from staff for landscaping and site
issues are from the –DD guidelines.  

The parking lot has 62 spaces; overflow parking for the hotel will be handled across the street in the
Lincoln Street garage. The parking lot has accordingly been reconfigured with a walkway leading
from the sidewalk to the hotel. The walkway is bordered on both sides by parking spaces.
Trees/tree wells have also been placed somewhat randomly along the walkway to the hotel
entrance. Staff would recommend adding a more trees for uniformity for more of an allee look to
the hotel here as well as widening the central walkway. It appears too narrow for comfortable
walking and would prohibit two people walking side by side or perhaps a wheelchair; 6-7’ would be
advisable. Details on this will be needed as it progresses. Installing bollards here would protect
pedestrians. General lighting of the parking lot has not been discussed, but uplighting of the trees
along the walkway would be attractive and would guide the pedestrian. Generally, planting islands
appear to be smaller than the required size and it appears that more trees may be needed to meet
the landscape ordinance, something the City’s land development planner will determine.  

In response to comments from staff, a walkway has been added from the back entry of the hotel
down to the extant alley to better accommodate foot traffic to the businesses there. A lattice with
climbing plants or a low wall would be advisable between the parking lot and the alley—with the
grade change, it is likely that car headlights will shine at eye level or close to it on anyone sitting at
the tables set up in the alley way; some sort of structure might help a bit with car noise as well.  
Landscaping requirements in the –DD guidelines would recommend the following:  

 The parking buffer along the property line needs to be 5 feet to the back of curb. (DD
requirement)  
 A minimum of three street trees will need to be located along the Lady Street Parking lot area
(DD requirement)  
 A continuous hedge or brick screen wall will need to be provided within this buffer area. This
will need to be detailed on the landscaping plan.  
 An additional 2’ on the south property line near Lady Street should be provided to allow for the
existing walkway area to accommodate pedestrians.

Also, grading issues were raised by the DDRC during the preliminary review, specifically how the
parking lot and the back of the hotel would be treated and what the side elevations would look like
when graded. Staff has not received any elevations as yet which reflect a grading plan aside from the
south elevation (Gervais Street); presumably the applicants are still working on this.

The DDRC also wants the developers to significantly reduce the amount of EIFS planned for the Lady Street facade.

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 08:24 AM

What is EIFS?  I have no problem with the parking lot behind the hotel at this point.  If there is ever a need, the parking lot can be developed at a later date and parking shifted to another location.  As long there is an attractive, defined barrier between the surface lot and the Lady Street sidewalk I'm good.

Edited by CorgiMatt, 03 December 2011 - 08:28 AM.


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Posted 03 December 2011 - 08:56 AM

EIFS is external insulation finishing system, also known as fake stucco. It's efficient for insulation purposes but compromises architectural integrity.

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 01:07 PM

Looks like a good design in a good location (close to the Convention Center). I like that they are requiring stringent rules about the parking lot in the back and as said earlier, it is possible to later move the parking to a close garage or something similar. I am also glad they have a retail spot facing Gervais to help continue to streetscape better.

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 05:53 PM

The small lot facing Lady isn't ideal, but it does look like they are trying to mitigate that as much as possible. A widened walkway with more trees on either side uplit at night leading to the rear entrance and, by extension, the alley on the east side of the building, plus bollards, is about as good as you can get in this situation.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 09:46 AM

View Postkrazeeboi, on 03 December 2011 - 08:56 AM, said:

EIFS is external insulation finishing system, also known as fake stucco. It's efficient for insulation purposes but compromises architectural integrity.
Plus is looks like doo-doo after about 2 or 3 years or weathering.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 11:37 AM

The Edventure Children's Museum is seeking funding for an upgrade.

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The museum has raised $3 million so far, she said, hoping to get the remainder from public sources."


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