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#41 Spartan

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Posted 24 June 2007 - 08:17 AM

The master plan has been released! I haven't gotten my hands on the 200 page document yet, but I plan to as soon as I can.

The article in today's paper reveals most of the stuff that we've already heard of, and a few that we haven't:
  • Relocated City Hall at Broadwalk
  • Streetscapes for Church St and Converse St
  • New urban village in Renaissance Park (which the city apparantly owns most of- I didn't know that)
  • Reconnect Streets in Renaissance Park
  • Village retail center on St John St- incliuding a grocery store, high end retail, offices, condos
  • 3 new parking decks on N Liberty St to support the retail center
  • "Bring back the middle class"
      Bring Expand public and private support of neighborhood revitalization efforts for
      Hampton Heights
      Beaumont Mills
      South Converse Street
      Spartan Mills
"The master plan also includes key recommendations for parks and public spaces, including plans for Barnet Park, Magnolia Street Train Station, T.K. Gregg Recreation Center, Richardson Park, Denny's Corporate Park and Morgan Square. There also are a variety of other recommendations, including plans for storefront signs and murals, lighting, and branding and marketing"

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The Master Plan and Urban Codes will be available on the City's website sometime next week!!!

Link: http://www.cityofspartanburg.org/

 

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Posted 24 June 2007 - 01:33 PM

Definitely sounds like some great things are to come, if the city impliments these ideas.

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By the way, I like the City's website! I think Greenville could take some pointers regarding its website.

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Posted 24 June 2007 - 03:45 PM

Oh, I posted the wrong website for the City before (its .org not .com) I hope there was no confusion there. I like the City's new design better than the old one, but it still needs work, IMO.

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Posted 24 June 2007 - 04:02 PM

View PostSpartan, on Jun 24 2007, 05:45 PM, said:

Oh, I posted the wrong website for the City before (its .org not .com) I hope there was no confusion there. I like the City's new design better than the old one, but it still needs work, IMO.
Hmmm.  :scared: I'm not sure what the other site was, but I liked it.

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 06:03 PM

Sounds exciting! Being that the city owns most of the Renaissance land, that should make it that much easier to get something going on that site sooner rather than later. The specific emphasis on luring the middle class downtown is laudable.

Is wayfinding signage included in the master plan? If not it should be.

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Posted 25 June 2007 - 08:22 PM

I'm sure it is, but thats already budgeted, regardless of the master plan's fate.

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 06:18 PM

Here is the link to the master plan online. Very exciting. I haven't read it yet, but I can pretty much gurantee that I'll have comments when I'm done!

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 06:29 PM

Its a rather lengthy document as a whole, but I would highly reccomend reading the exectutive summary, if nothing else. I look forward to seeing what everyone else has to say.

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 07:00 PM

I'll take a peek at it soon and offer my comments.

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 10:53 PM

I got a sneak peak at the new Downtown Code from the new Master Plan Spartanburg has been working on for the last year or so and I was really disapointed with some of the "new code". My biggest disapointment was that the tallest buildings downtown can only be 8 stories unless the builder pays big penalties for more floors. I think they are restricting too many elements that will deter a developer from building here. I hope all this changes before the final draft is approved by City Council.

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 11:25 PM

^I didn't know it encompassed a height limit. In a way that can be good, since buildings that are more on the human scale tend to be much more pedestrian friendly than midrises/highrises, but the code should just mandate retail in the ground floor of towers.

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 06:50 AM

I read in the Master Plan exec. summary about a height limit- but I just assumed it would be something that is designed to provent the obscenely tall and out of character for Spartanburg from locating here. Eight stories seems a little short, and I'd be interested to know how they came up with that figure. If they had to do one, I'd say about 20 would be a good number (Denny's Tower is around 18 I think). And lets be realistic here- we aren't going to see walls of 20 story buildings in Spartanburg.

Skyscrapers- if appropriately done- can be very beneficial to a downtown core, and are a source of pride for the community (just read the Gville forum, and how excited those guys get over the very possiblity of a new tower (not to mention the ones that are being built). That said- I have always maintained that skyscrapers are not necessary for a quality urban environment, and some height restriction really wont change that. Just look at Charleston. It is admittedly frustrating though, because I see Spartanburg as being just large enough to support a few skyscrapers and to have a decent skyline some day.

The good news is the Council has to pass the code, and they could very well take that part out.

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 08:44 AM

I don't really know why height restrictions are needed.  Shoudn't the market take care of that?  I did read somewhere that all residential condos etc... would be mixed use with retail/restaurant on the bottom level.  I do like that part, but if someone wants to build a 15 storey building then let them.

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 03:35 PM

Agreed.

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 10:19 PM

Spartan's Review: The Master Plan - Chapter 2 Intro & Analysis

The master plan is a very infromative and exciting document to read. The Executive Summary does give you the general idea of the rest of the document as it should- but in order to really understand what's being suggested (and what will hopefully be adopted in full) you need to read the rest of the chapters.

So whats' in Chapter 2? If you want to get an good idea about Spartanburg's history, specifically relating to downtown, and its many planning and development related efforts and issues over the past 200 years or so, then you should read this chapter. The first 20 pages or so give you a very good overview, then the next section gives a much more detailed account of Spartanbug's history. It covers every plan that Spartanburg has had since the 70s.

The good stuff comes from the analysis section. It gives an outline of what's to come in the following chapters, but it covers many other areas as well. One of the more interesting maps is on p12. It gives you an overview of all of the projects that have occured downtown since 2000. Its quite impressive (albiet a little hard to read at their font size).

What I learned from this chapter is that Spartanburg has indeed had a history of paying money for plans that rely on the big fish idea, but usually the big fish never bites, and more frequently the City has dropped the ball and not made any moves on the plans it created. The good news is that more recently, the city has been more likely to actually use the plan and not let it collect dust. You can see though the discussion that over time, more and more of the plans have been followed.

The last downtown plan, Share the Vision (1998) is almost entirely complete. It called for many things that we now enjoy and benefit from including: Barnet Park, Zimmerli Amphitheater, Rennovated Memorial Auditorium, the Marriott, a conference center, rennovate the train depot, turn Belk Building (aka Palmetto Building) into apartments and establishing a farmers market. The items that haven't been completed yet are- rennovating the Montgomery Building (several attemps have been made, and it sounds like this will happen now) and building a golf center, among others.

This gives me a good vibe about the current plan and the desire to use it to really get something done.

On p41, they give some conclusions about Spartanburg. They make a lot of interesting points, and I highly reccomend reading it. I'm not going to go into too much detail about it, except to comment on 2 things:

1- They suggest dense residential developments between the commercial district/CBD and the surrounding neighborhoods. This is vital to the next point-

2- Promote Strong Neighborhoods!! I have been saying this for quite some time, as have many others here on UP. Spartanburg has so many great neighborhoods right around downtown, but most people only know about Converse Heights, and now Hampton Heights (due to the restoration effort).

Other neighborhoods like North Converse Heights, Park Hills, South Converse, North Dean, Beaumont, and Midtown Heights are all integral parts of the downtown restoration, because these are the areas that should be targets for people to live while the work, shop, and play downtown. All of these other neighborhoods lack the sense of identity and place that the other two have. This needs to be corrected (especially with Park Hills and the neighborhoods to the west of there). There is a lot of confusion or apathy (or both) about where the neighborhoods are, and also what they are. I think that a major component of reestablishing downtown as a significant center is to include the surrounding neighborhoods too. I'll add a disclaimer that I haven't read the entire plan yet, so they may delve into that a littel further. I still think this is one fo the most important things for Spartanburg to work on.

I realize that many readers here may not know Charlotte very well, but what I have learned so far is that one of the best parts about my new city is not "Uptown" but the areas surrounding it. They are not dissimilar from the neighborhoods surrounding downtown Spartanburg in terms of age, style, and attractiveness. Charlotte has made them into places "to be" and has (based on my limited experience) made them into palces with an identity of their own. Obviously the dynamics here are a bit different than back home- but I think that Spartanburg should apply the same principle. The in town neighborhoods should once again be highly desirable places to live, not places to avoid.

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 10:52 PM

The executive summary was a pretty good summary of where Spartanburg has been, where it is, and where it is trying to go. It really shows me that the city gets it. These were the take home points for me:

The challenges that downtown faces are largely in its geography, as its assets are visually and/or physically separated in a manner that reduces the opportunities for synergy.

Great downtowns are built in fine-grained increments. The mega-project rarely saves a downtown and is very difficult - financially and politically - to achieve. In truth, the largest scale projects that might be achievable for a City like Spartanburg have already occurred – the Denny’s Tower, the Marriott Hotel, and the Chapman Cultural Center. The focus now must be on filling in the numerous small-scale gaps with highly-detailed mixed-use buildings that enliven the sidewalks with ground level activity such as shops and restaurants and provide opportunities for employment and housing on the upper floors.

Great downtowns follow one golden rule: they put [pedestrians] first.

It appears as though the "rules of engagement" have been established, and now it's time to play the game. :)

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 10:23 AM

The City Planning Commission has scheduled weekly meetings to discuss the implementation of the master plan. They talked about Housing first, and they will meet each week to discuss the other aspects of the master plan. Hopefully this will lead to their reccomendation to the Council to adopt the plan in full (but without the height restriction).

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 11:59 PM

So far, this sounds like a plan that will not be left sitting on the shelf. :thumbsup:

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Posted 09 August 2007 - 04:06 PM

I am even more optimistic about the Master Plan these days. It sounds like this WILL happen. The City is going to put out an RFP by the end of the year for a developer for the Renaissance Park site. The City owns all of the land there, so it should make the process easier. The site has the potential for about 1.1 million sq ft of combined residential and retail space. Thats about the size of Westgate Mall folks. This has the potential to be the best thing Spartanburg has seen in a long time, and it culd be come the centerpiece for Spartanburg.

Remember, the mast plan is a guide. The specific details will still have to be worked out for this site. I hope that in the next 5 years, this will be well under way, if not complete. This is an exciting time to be a Spartan ;)

For further reading, check out this article from the Herald-Journal.

Renaissance Park is covered in depth in Chapter 6 of the master plan, which I will eventually get to and post a review here. But until then you shoud go and read it for yourself. If you're interested in Spartanburg's future, you will find it to be a great read! In the mean time, here is one page from the Master Plan that shows some street layouts and renderings:

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Posted 09 August 2007 - 06:28 PM

That was a great read, and it shows that city leaders are committed to making sure that such a large and highly visible piece of property is not just developed, but developed correctly. I particularly liked this part of the article:

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If the project is developed correctly, which is the city's intent, the site will link Wofford and Converse colleges with downtown and create an urban, pedestrian-friendly environment for those living in the area and for patrons of the cultural center and Marriott, Franklin said.
The fact that this development won't be a centerpiece in and of itself, but will also connect the dots between relatively separated parts of the city is terrific. It also appears that it will require E. St. John Street to become pedestrian-friendly by narrowing and streetscaping it. I think a Renaissance Park centerpiece development might resemble a smaller version of Rockville Town Square in Rockville, MD:

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