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[Charlotte_native]

Appetite for Construction, on Apr 25 2008, 02:02 PM, said:

  When do we start taking bets for what it will be after Coyote Ugly?

I'll actually bet that if it opens here it will make it.  Never underestimate people's appetite for cheezy bars!

[Raintree21]

I've been there a couple of times and most of the time when I drive past the place on weekend nights, it often is packed so I think it would do well moving closer to the rest of the bars.

[mshook]

I'm thinking it will work too, now that it's in a higher foot traffic area.  BAR Charlotte remains packed 5 nights a week, so I'm sure this will too since it's along the same vein.

A bookstore/coffee shop would be more than welcome...someone mentioned tic toc, but I haven't been there.

[Raintree21]

Press release from Ivey's Manager:

"Coyote Ugly is a national company and will operate a restaurant and bar. They have purchased the assets of Daddy's restaurant and have signed a lease agreement, so we are legally bound to lease this space to them. Nevertheless, we believe they will be good neighbors. They have an excellent record in 15 sites throughout the country, and we expect them to abide by all our laws. We also believe it is unfair to oppose or criticize this business so harshly before they even open for business."



So it appears that they will be operating a restaurant now as well.

[mshook]

I bet it will do very, very well during the NASCAR events....it will also accomodate the needs of alot of people coming downtown to see the NASCAR HOF and the out of town Panther's fans.  Great...

[Miesian Corners]

Trashy girls dancing on bars?  Many of my friends will be there.  Welcome to 4th Ward!

[AuLukey]

Miesian Corners, on Apr 30 2008, 09:54 AM, said:

Trashy girls dancing on bars?  Many of my friends will be there.  Welcome to 4th Ward!

MC, you implying your friends are the trashy girls or the ones going to watch?   Haha, I have a feeling this bar will do fine at this location.  It has survived so far in a rather finicky uptown bar scene.

[dubone]

Daddy's has terrible food, so I'm not sure this is a plus to have that still operating during the day for food.

Friends of Fourth Ward appear to be opposed to this concept, and sometimes, they hold a lot of sway.  I'm not sure how this will turn out, but it seems that that will hurt.  It also seems odd for that concept to be going in across from a church, daycare, and cemetary, and directly underneath residences.

Personally, I think this is just like many of the other bars around there, but certainly that brand has the trashy branding that raise some fears for people living nearby.  I'm not sure anyone would care if Daddy's Grill had girls dancing on the bars at 2am, but when you put a brand that everyone knows because of the movie, people start freaking out.

[Spartan]

An Observer article (link) refers to this phenomenon as "urban tension." I'm not sure what the difference is between this and suburban tension, or rural tension for that matter. A NIMBY is a NIMBY to me.

[dubone]

NIMBY could be applied to everything though, but there really are things that aren't compatible.    This one might be a fine line, but really, it is not that great to have a bar open so late directly underneath residential condos.  There are plenty of places a block away where this can go under office projects or some other use that doesn't have an incompatible activity at the same time (ie, someone trying to sleep at 1am).  

I am on the fence on this, as CCP and FOFW are both trying to say that College Street would be more compatible, while being incompatible at this specific location.  Typical NIMBYism doesn't want it anywhere near them, while CCP is saying keep it uptown, but put it in the zone that is suited to this use, not someplace where it will strike conflict.

Everything has a fine line, but as we create more and more of these street-fronting retail spaces a floor or two below residential units, we really have expect that they won't have a lot of noise past, say, midnight.   The whole POINT of a residence is to have somewhere to sleep, so if you can't do that, then what is the point?

I think there are also plenty of ways where this type of thing might have evolved more slowly and under the radar, like if a restaurant slowly expanded into the last night hours, or something like that.  But you have right now a spot that has been used as a low key restaurant site for a decade or more, and then suddenly being rented to a place that is focused on late night hours.  It makes sense that these groups spoke up, as their entire purpose is to speak up for existing residents and to help the city evolve to a successful place for all types of urban uses.

We'll see how it turns out, though, it didn't work for the residents of Factory South, right?

[sleightofhand]

I don't see how Coyote Ugly will be any better than the previous tenants. The priors all started out hot and ended up fading. I could be wrong but I don't think Coyote Ugly will be superior.

I think it was Twist that used to be there that seemed to have a healthy crowd. Not sure why it failed.

[dubone]

Personally, I think Latorre should use this as leverage with the powers that be to push to get that block of 5th street redone with normal sidewalks (the plan is to remove the 6 spaces and replace them with wider sidewalks on both sides).  If he can just open up a couple of store front entried on 5th, then that space that is slated for Coyote Ugly might do better with a regular restaurant.  

It is a dog of a space right now because of the crazy sidewalks and the blankness on the way there, so they figure that by putting something that already has a draw in a dog of a space would be good.

[Justadude]

I hope the police are prepared to handle pedestrians spilling into the streets, 'cause there's no way a club crowd is going to squeeze onto the 5th St. sidewalk.

[Charlotte_native]

sleightofhand, on May 5 2008, 07:04 PM, said:

I don't see how Coyote Ugly will be any better than the previous tenants. The priors all started out hot and ended up fading. I could be wrong but I don't think Coyote Ugly will be superior.

The difference I see in this type of bar is name recognition.  Visitors from out of town or outside downtown, those here for events and conventions, etc, are likely to go check out a place like this if they find out about it being there over a random local bar.  Same reason, to me, people go out of town or even out of the country but still eat and drink at Hard Rock Cafe or Hooters.  I doubt this place would be much of a locals hang-out.

[lefty23]

Justadude, on May 6 2008, 07:30 AM, said:

I hope the police are prepared to handle pedestrians spilling into the streets, 'cause there's no way a club crowd is going to squeeze onto the 5th St. sidewalk.

I'm pretty sure when I'm at my friends place in the Ivey's, I see that every weekend night they have the club crowd from Hom literally take over 5th street for about an hour when the bar closes and lets out. So this will just join the crowd. The police know the deal.

[mshook]

The only issue I forsee is the crowd will be a little rowdier.  HOM is more of sportcoat and slinky dress kind of place.   Whereas Coyote Ugly is more of a blue jean jacket and cut-offs kind of place.  These two crowds tend not to blend very well.  We'll see.  Perhaps the added cost of parking and difficulty to get to will create a different crowd.  I imagine it could be a lot of fun and safe pending the type of clientele they attract at this locale.

[voyager12]

I am no fan of Coyote Ugly's but if Uptown is supposed to be a thriving diverse packed district you are going to have a mixture of establishments in close proximity to another. Other cities seem to manage this without the world ending.

[monsoon]

It is being reported the CMPD is now opposed to Coyote Ugly being issued a liquor license for this location, because of the undesirables that it will bring to the area.

[AuLukey]

Oh lord can we please not live in such a prudish society?  You live in an urban area of the city, bars are just another part of urban culture around the world whether people want to admit it or not.  And besides, this isn't some huge club with hundreds of drunks staggering out all night long.  If this were Forum or BAR I could see why the residents wouldn't want to live right on top of them, but this is just a paltry bar chain.  People need to pick their battles; denying a bar a liquor license due solely to proximity to urban residences is a bit much.

[hueion39]

Is there public info on the number of police call-ins or complaints of Coyote at its College St. location? I've been there a handful of times and it was actually rather laid back relative to some of the other bars uptown.