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[Charlotteman]

Many people think that man has secretly achieved astounding technology, that is not being shared with "the public".

Perhaps UFOs seen in space are ultra ultra ultra secret high technological craft created at Area 51, or some other secret place.  These days I tend to think of UFOs as almost strictly something man has flying.

[cityboi]

Charlotteman, on 30 March 2012 - 02:29 AM, said:

Many people think that man has secretly achieved astounding technology, that is not being shared with "the public".

Perhaps UFOs seen in space are ultra ultra ultra secret high technological craft created at Area 51, or some other secret place.  These days I tend to think of UFOs as almost strictly something man has flying.

most are secret government craft or something else. But I question where some of this technology came from.

[cityboi]

Looks like we could have some physical evidence of extraterrestrials and alien abductions. A scientists has discovered that a claimed alien implant is factually from another planet in the universe. As to the chemical make-up of the implants, a scientist claims they are composed of meteoric iron not found in our solar system because the isotopic ratios are skewed compared to those found on earth or in our own solar neighborhood. He also said it would not be possible for us to duplicate this material without major problems.

2 hour radio show called Coast to Coast am (host George Noory)

Edited by cityboi, 03 April 2012 - 06:07 AM.

[cityboi]

A few people who was in the military said the biggest reason for hiding the truth about UFOs was to prevent religious beliefs from being shatterd. They said this whole phenomenon has to do with who we are, why we are here and where we are going. That would be pretty unsettling to a lot of people.

These UFO reports are interesting because they were reported before the invention of the airplane. Eyewitnesses in the 19th century were describing the movement of flying craft and shape identical to modern day UFO reports. All throughout history people have been reporting flying wheels, shields and saucers. Cigar or cylindrical shaped craft have also been reported throughout history. Its also interesting to note the people in the 19th century were describing craft that came up out of the water and flew into the sky. People are describing the same thing today.

May 15, 1879; Persian Gulf
9:40 p.m. Two very large "wheels" were seen spinning in the air and slowly coming to the surface of the sea. Estimated diameter: 40 m. Distance between the objects: 150 m. Speed: 80 km/h/ Duration: 35 min. Witnesses aboard the ship "Vultur" (Magonia #4, Round up 17; Anatomy 12)


March 28, 1897; Omaha, Nebraska
10:30 p.m. The majority of the population observed an object arriving from the southeast. It looked like a huge light, flew northwestward slowly, came to low altitude. A crowd gathered at a street corner to watch it. (Magonia #12, 185)


April 1, 1897; Everest, Kansas
9:00 p.m. The whole town saw an object fly under the cloud ceiling. It came down slowly, then flew away very fast to the southeast. When directly over the town it swept the ground with its powerful light. It was seen to rise up at fantastic speed until barely discernible, then to come down again and sweep low over the witnesses. At one point it remained stationary for 5 min at the edge of a low cloud, which it illuminated. All could clearly see the silhouette of the craft. (Magonia #13, FSR 66, 4)


April 12, 1897; Nilwood, Illinois
2:30 p.m. On the property of Z. Thacker, 19 km north of Carlinville, an unknown object landed. Before the three witnesses could reach it, the craft, which was shaped like a cigar with a dome, rose slowly and left majestically toward the north. Witnesses: Edward Teeples, William Street and Franklin Metcalf. (Magonia #14, 186; Anatomy 12)


April 14, 1897; Gas City, Indiana
3:00 p.m. An object landed 2 km south of Gas City on the property of John Roush, terrifying the farmers and causing the horses and cattle to stampede. Six occupants of the ship came out and seemed to make some repairs. Before the crowd could approach the object, it rose rapidly and flew toward the east. (Magonia #16, 188)


Nov. 12, 1887  Cape Race, Atlantic Ocean
Midnight. A huge sphere of fire was observed rising out of the ocean by witnesses aboard the "Siberian." It rose to an altitude of 16 m, flew against the wind, and came close to the ship, then "dashed oft" toward the southeast. Duration:  5 min. (Magonia #9, LDLN 48; Anatomy 14)

This one is really striking because its a description of cow mutilations which has been associated with UFOs in the modern era.

April 19, 1897; Leroy, Kansas
10:30 p.m. Alexander Hamilton was awakened by a noise among the cattle and went out with his son and his tenant. They saw an elongated cigar-shaped object, about 100 m long with a transparent cabin underneath showing narrow reddish bands, hovering 10 m above ground. They approached within 50 m of it. It was illuminated and equipped with a searchlight. Inside it were "six of the strangest beings" the witness had seen, also described as "hideous." They spoke a language no witness could understand. A cow was dragged away by the object with the help of a strong red cable; it was found butchered in a field the next day. (Magonia #24, Anatomy 16)

prehistoric cave art also shows a disk shaped object picking up cattle



Cow mutilations today...strange lights in the sky are always reported the night before.






http://www.nicap.org...ior-47-19th.htm

Even further back in time:

in 329 BC, Alexander the Great records two great silver shields, spitting fire around the rims in the sky that dived repeatedly at his army as they were attempting a river crossing. The action so panicked his elephants, horses, and men they had to abandon the river crossing until the following day.

Another account of "flying shields" in 332 BC

'The fortress would not yeld, its walls were fifty feet high and
constructed so solidly that no siege-engine was able to damage
it. The Tyrians disposed of the greatest technicians and
builders of war-machines of the time and they intercepted in the
air the incendiary arrows and projectiles hurled by the
catapults on the city.

One day suddenly there appeared over the Macedonian camp these
"flying shields", as they had been called, which flew in
triangular formation led by an exceedingly large one, the others
were smaller by almost a half. In all there were five. The
unknown chronicler narrates that they circled slowly over Tyre
while thousands of warriors on both sides stood and watched them
in astonishment. Suddenly from the largest "shield" came a
lightning-flash that struck the walls, these crumbled, other
flashes followed and walls and towers dissolved, as if they had
been built of mud, leaving the way open for the besiegers who
poured like an avalanche through the breeches. The "flying
shields" hovered over the city until it was completely stormed
then they very swiftly disappeared aloft, soon melting into the
blue sky.'120"

1290 AD:
Byland, North Yorkshire: From William of Newburghs Chronicle "While the abbot and monks were in the refectorium, a flat round, shining, silvery object (discus) flew over the abbey and caused the utmost terror."

776 AD:
From an old chronicle by W. R. Drake "Those watching outside in that place, of whom many still live to this very day, saw they beheld the likeness of two large shields, reddish in color in motion above the church, and when the pagans who were outside saw this sign, they were at once thrown into confusion and terrified with fear and began to flee from the castle."

FLYING SHIELDS!

Edited by cityboi, 06 April 2012 - 10:25 AM.

[christian1985]

i find this a really interesting topic, i do belive that aliens exist as how can we be the only life in this vast universe, its just we have no means to travel the sheer distance and find out.

[cityboi]

Welcome christian1985. You are right. The universe is larger than our minds can even begin to comprehend and its crazy to think we are alone in the universe. We also need to understand that humans are not the most advanced species in the universe. Just because we don't have the technology to travel to the stars that doesn't mean its not possible. An ape can't build nor understand how to build airplane but it can be built.

Edited by cityboi, 12 April 2012 - 11:15 AM.

[cityboi]

Amateur stargazers have spotted a very tall "monolith" on Mars. The object is also in NASA's archive. The excuse by NASA? its a round boulder that rolled off a cliff. Hardly looks round to me but NASA says the low resolution makes round objects look square. I say bull, no way that object is round. Furthermore why does NASA keep feeding the public low resolution images of the surface of Mars and the moon when their equipment can produce 21st century high resolution? Google earth images are clearer than the ones NASA shows us of the moon and Mars.

image of object in new link below

http://news.yahoo.co...-214004772.html

Edited by cityboi, 12 April 2012 - 11:56 AM.

[cityboi]

Here is more on the Mayan documentary called Revelations of the Mayans 2012 and Beyond. that will be released at the end of 2012. The documentary will show evidence of alien contact with the ancient Mayans as well as a city "built" at the bottom of a lake in Guatemala.


"It is the most important archaeological finding in the history of mankind," he says. "It's going to open the eyes of humanity and elevate the consciousness of every human being on the planet. I guarantee it."

"A collaboration between archaeologists, scientists and the governments of Mexico and Guatemala, Revelations is the fruit of a decade of research that purportedly draws on classified information."

http://www.hollywood...d-aliens-283430

Edited by cityboi, 17 April 2012 - 01:20 PM.

[cityboi]

The death of our first Secretary of Defense, James Forrestal.

The Secretary of Defense position was first put in places on September 17, 1947. ironically a few months after the alleged Roswell UFO crash. The Air Force was started around that time as well. According to "leaked" FBI documents, James Forrestal was a member of the "Majestic Twelve", a group a twelve men assigned to study the alien craft and its occupants that crashed in Roswell. It was said in some military circles that he had reservations about keeping the extraterrestrial presence secret from the public. Some years later he was admitted to  the Bethesda Naval Hospital in Maryland being treated for depression. On May 22, 1949 James Forrestal was found dead on the ground outside the hospital. It was said he committed suicide jumping from his 16th floor window. The strangest thing as that til this day the autopsy report or photos of his body are not public. It was also odd that he died a few hours before he was to be released from the hospital. When he was at the hospital, no one could see him including his closest family members. There was also a new watchman on his floor the night he died. Forrestal kept diaries and some of them went "missing" The official report on James Forrestal remained classified until 2004 when it was obtained through the Freedom  of Information Act.

cover copy of a "leaked" government document. The interesting thing as that "MAJ12" actually appears as code letters on some documents directly declassified by our government. Once such document with "MAJ12" was a declassified document from the 1960s called "Project Moondust" which was a project dealing with the recovery of Foreign (from other countries) space debris. The FBI was so concerned about people believing the leaked MJ 12 documents, they actually uploaded them to the Freedom of Information website, posted each page with  "Bogus" written across them. If aliens visiting earth is so ridiculous, why would the FBI even feel the need to do that?




It is believed that James Forrestal was ready to spill the beans about extraterrestrials and that he was "silenced" before he had a chance to. Same thing happened to JFK and Marilyn Monroe.



Document listing James Forrestal as a Majestic Twelve member.





copy of Bob Lazar's identification card. Bob Lazar is the scientist who claims he worked at a base called S4 located at Area 51. Bob said his job was to help back engineer an alien space craft in 1989. Notice the "MAJ" on the card. Actual government pay stubs proves he worked for the department of Naval intelligence which for some reason or another is very involved with the UFO phenomena. The MJ 12 documents were leaked in 1984. The interesting thing is that some of the information in the documents, not directly related to aliens wasn't publicly known until years later after 1984. So if it were to be a hoax, people on the "inside" in top secret circles would have had to hoax them. But all evidence points to these being real. Reserachers have even look at official government meeting logs and found out that several of the MJ 12 members met in mid- to late 1947.

Edited by cityboi, 20 April 2012 - 11:15 AM.

[cityboi]

Here is a declassified document obtained under the freedom of information act describing a craft with no wings or sound flying 2700 miles per hour. I can't think of any craft made by man in 1949 that could travel that fast let alone a craft without wings. The document also confirms that the U.S.government viewed the topic as being top secret. If this isn't proof, I don't know what is.





more declassified documents






WOW!!!






Top secret memo recovered from from the archives at the University of Ottawa.Dr Bush in the memo was one of the Majestic Twelve members as indicated in the "leaked MJ 12 documents describing the Roswell aliens.

Edited by cityboi, 21 April 2012 - 09:19 PM.

[cityboi]

man's primitive experiments of what extraterrestrials have mastered. The difference is that ETs have figured out a way to levitate craft using natural gravity as oppose to artificial magnets. That same technology made it possible for them to travel vast distances in space in a very short period of time. There are hidden secrets in earth's science and physics. We found that out when humans first split an atom.

Edited by cityboi, 25 April 2012 - 06:40 PM.

[cityboi]

cityboi, on 20 April 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

cover copy of a "leaked" government document. The interesting thing as that "MAJ12" actually appears as code letters on some documents directly declassified by our government. Once such document with "MAJ12" was a declassified document from the 1960s called "Project Moondust" which was a project dealing with the recovery of Foreign (from other countries) space debris. The FBI was so concerned about people believing the leaked MJ 12 documents, they actually uploaded them to the Freedom of Information website, posted each page with  "Bogus" written across them. If aliens visiting earth is so ridiculous, why would the FBI even feel the need to do that?







Document listing James Forrestal as a Majestic Twelve member.





copy of Bob Lazar's identification card. Bob Lazar is the scientist who claims he worked at a base called S4 located at Area 51. Bob said his job was to help back engineer an alien space craft in 1989. Notice the "MAJ" on the card. Actual government pay stubs proves he worked for the department of Naval intelligence which for some reason or another is very involved with the UFO phenomena. The MJ 12 documents were leaked in 1984. The interesting thing is that some of the information in the documents, not directly related to aliens wasn't publicly known until years later after 1984. So if it were to be a hoax, people on the "inside" in top secret circles would have had to hoax them. But all evidence points to these being real. Reserachers have even look at official government meeting logs and found out that several of the MJ 12 members met in mid- to late 1947.

Here is a copy of an official document from the National Archives which proves the existance of MJ-12. Not only that. the memo from the the National Archive is addressed to General Twining. He was one of the Majestic 12 members mentioned in the third (leaked) memo below. Connect the dots and you'll discover all this stuff is real.



Notice the year...1954 it matches the same year on the cover of the leaked MJ-12 documents below



The FBI has the document below on their archive website with the word "BOGUS" written across it yet the other document from the national archive proves that MJ-12 existed and that General Twining was a part of the group. You can see General Twining's name in the memo below. What this tells us is that the government is lying today about MJ-12. The leaked MJ-12 documents clearly talk about extraterrestrial entities coming to earth and even describes what they look like and the description of the craft they fly in.



Table of contents of Majestic 12 documents



drawings in the documents








The original Majestic 12 group. Today there are many levels of classification above top secret. Not even the president of the United States is cleared for those levels today. The top level is "cosmic"top secret clearance and below that is "Majestic" top secret clearance. Only those with "cosmic" top secret clearance knows it ALL. Everything below that is compartmentalized.

Dr Donal Menzel was a well known debunker of UFOs in the 1950s yet he was a part of the MJ-12 which studied extraterrestrials and their craft. Despite the fact that the government had been tight lipped about UFOs a few of the MJ-12 members made some startling comments throughout time.

"This 'flying saucer' situation is not at all imaginary or seeing too much in some natural phenomena. Something is really flying around. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious."

Gen. Nathan Twining Chief of Staff, US Air Force, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

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"It is time for the truth to be brought out... Behind the scenes high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense.... I urge immediate Congressional action to reduce the dangers from secrecy about unidentified flying objects."

Former CIA Director Vice Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, signed statement to Congress, August 22, 1960

Edited by cityboi, 26 April 2012 - 10:42 AM.

[cityboi]

some of the most compelling evidence of UFOs can be seen in this documentary. VERY interesting because there are military personal, flight controllers and pilots describing objects on radio control during the events. This is worth the time to watch. All the craft report are huge, fly with no noise and takes off instantly going at unbelievable speeds and stopping on a dime.



Here is a picture (below) of a UFO taken in Belgium in the 1990s. There were widespread reports of this triangular craft that night. Eyewitnesses said the craft seem to defy all laws of physics. Photo technicians have analyzed this photo for over 10 years and have come to the conclusion its not a hoax. Photoshopping has been ruled out. Elements in the photo prove its not a stage stationary object and some elements of the lighting indicate some sort of electrogravitic technology. Hundreds of eyewitnesses in Belgium described the same thing that night. A triangular craft with three white lights and a red light in the center. It flew silently and flew at speeds that would make you question where this thing came from. Some sources indicate it is a man made craft but the technology was back engineered from extraterrestrial craft. A Physics expert named Edgar Fouche had this to say from info he has heard about this top secret military project. He said



"The Aurora is the most classified aerospace development program in existence.

The TR-3B is the most exotic vehicle created by the Aurora Program. It is funded and operationally tasked by the National Reconnaissance Office, the NSA, and the CIA.

The TR-3B vehicles outer coating is reactive to electrical Radar stimulation and can change reflectiveness, radar absorptiveness, and color.

This polymer skin, when used in conjunction with the TR-3Bs Electronic Counter Measures and, ECCM, can make the vehicle look like a small aircraft, or a flying cylinder or even trick radar receivers into falsely detecting a variety of aircraft, no aircraft, or several aircraft at various locations.
circular, plasma filled accelerator ring called the magnetic field disruptor surrounds the rotatable crew compartment and is far ahead of any imaginable technology. The plasma, mercury based is pressurized at 250,000 atmospheres, at a temperature of 150 degrees kelvin and accelerated to 50,000 RPM to create a super conducted plasma, resulting in gravity disruption. The MFD generates a magnetic vortex field which neutralizes the effect of gravity by up to 89%. Sandia and Livermore laboratories developed the reverse engineered MFD technology"

Clearly the U.S. government has made astonishing scientific breakthroughs (with the help of "others") which is still classified today. It has been said this craft was created under the top secret Aurora program at an installation at Area 51. However this particular craft doesn't have the capability of traveling vast distances across the universe. But it does make you wonder how far this vehicle has traveled in our own solar system. Apparently it has the technology to hide from radar detection (like stealth) and its possible to fly anywhere without anyone knowing about it. A great craft to use for top secret space missions to the moon or Mars.



rendering of the craft......The TRUTH is greater than we can ever imagine.

Edited by cityboi, 22 May 2012 - 06:43 AM.