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#1 ironchapman

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 06:30 PM

IC's Atlanta on a Cloudy Night

It's been a while since I took these pictures (Jan. 4th of this year), but I finally got around to uploading them.

I went to Atlanta to take some pictures of the city on a cloudy night. I was really pleased with what I came up with. I managed to take in a short visit to Atlantic Station while I was there as well. It was, as I expected, filled with people wandering the little streets.

Here we go..........

Midtown's Skyline from the Varsity Parking Lot

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GLG Grand and the Surrounding Buildings

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1180 Peachtree

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Two Shots of the Bank of America Building

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Midtown Shines Brightly for All to See

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The Glow of the Clouds

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And Now the Fog Descends Upon It

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From Behind the Fence

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As Seen from the 17th Street Bridge

Down the Road

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The Way Into Town

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And Now With the Fog

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The Downtown Connector Was as Busy as Ever

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And Now For a Few Shots of Atlantic Station

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Wandering the Streets

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A Crane Looms Overhead

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Twelve Atlantic Station Shines On........

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And that's it! :)

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Edited by ironchapman, 25 March 2007 - 06:50 PM.


 

#2 ATLman1

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 07:35 PM

Awesome pics! Atlanta lights up so well at night!

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 08:12 PM

Absolutely beautiful.  Thanks!!! (I hope that shot of the Connector was taken before the time change---man that is a lot of traffic to be so late!!)

Edit that:  I saw these were taken in January.

Edited by Pillsbury, 23 March 2007 - 08:22 AM.


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Posted 23 March 2007 - 10:12 AM

Fantastic shots IC!

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Posted 23 March 2007 - 01:29 PM

Very nice!  :thumbsup:

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 03:37 PM

I love the top 2/3 of every ATL building, especially at night.

I was just down there and was wondering about the downtown connector. Why does the southbound side backup beyond midtown in the afternoon? What is the rate limiting step? Is it the big intersection with I-20 at the Capitol? It seems like the northbound side would be busy with people leaving downtown after work. I was surprised.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 06:45 PM

View Postdmccall, on Mar 26 2007, 04:37 PM, said:

I was just down there and was wondering about the downtown connector. Why does the southbound side backup beyond midtown in the afternoon? What is the rate limiting step? Is it the big intersection with I-20 at the Capitol? It seems like the northbound side would be busy with people leaving downtown after work. I was surprised.

The downtown connector is a suburban freeway interchange which primarily serves people cutting through Atlanta on their way from one suburb to another.  Only a relatively small percentage of the traffic on the connector is actually related to downtown Atlanta.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 07:48 PM

View PostAndrea, on Mar 26 2007, 07:45 PM, said:

The downtown connector is a suburban freeway interchange which primarily serves people cutting through Atlanta on their way from one suburb to another.  Only a relatively small percentage of the traffic on the connector is actually related to downtown Atlanta.

I think the big reason for the bottleneck is what's known as the Grady Curve. Just north of downtown, near Grady Hospital, the connector makes a rather sharp S-turn - to go around central downtown.

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Posted 27 March 2007 - 04:35 PM

View Postironchapman, on Mar 22 2007, 07:30 PM, said:

The Downtown Connector Was as Busy as Ever

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Nice photos, IC!!

This picture, by the way, is an excellent example of the essentially suburban nature of the downtown connector.  As you can see, southbound traffic is primarily coming from I-75 and I-85 north of Midtown, as commuters from the northern suburbs creep through town on their way to the southern, eastern and western suburbs.  I realize the vast majority of people live and work in the suburbs and that they need a way to commute from suburb to suburb, but it's unfortunate that their freeway interchange has to be located in the middle of downtown.  It would make a lot more sense to dismantle the connector in its present form and convert it to an efficient system of urban streets and boulevards, and re-route the freeways through the suburbs where their burden falls primarily on those who prefer to use them.

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Posted 27 March 2007 - 09:06 PM

View PostAndrea, on Mar 27 2007, 06:35 PM, said:

It would make a lot more sense to dismantle the connector in its present form and convert it to an efficient system of urban streets and boulevards, and re-route the freeways through the suburbs where their burden falls primarily on those who prefer to use them.

Andrea, if your plan to reroute the freeways through the suburbs suceeds; I am moving Intown with YOU. The freeways are already a disaster out here in Cumberland/Cobb.

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 01:13 PM

View PostHybrid0NE, on Mar 27 2007, 10:06 PM, said:

Andrea, if your plan to reroute the freeways through the suburbs suceeds; I am moving Intown with YOU. The freeways are already a disaster out here in Cumberland/Cobb.

Come on down, Hybrid.  Once we get that ridiculous connector relocated to where it should be, we'll have plenty of places to hang out in our newly rejuvenated and urbanized city.


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Posted 28 March 2007 - 03:10 PM

View PostAndrea, on Mar 27 2007, 06:35 PM, said:

Nice photos, IC!!

This picture, by the way, is an excellent example of the essentially suburban nature of the downtown connector.  As you can see, southbound traffic is primarily coming from I-75 and I-85 north of Midtown, as commuters from the northern suburbs creep through town on their way to the southern, eastern and western suburbs.  I realize the vast majority of people live and work in the suburbs and that they need a way to commute from suburb to suburb, but it's unfortunate that their freeway interchange has to be located in the middle of downtown.  It would make a lot more sense to dismantle the connector in its present form and convert it to an efficient system of urban streets and boulevards, and re-route the freeways through the suburbs where their burden falls primarily on those who prefer to use them.

That is a perfect example of your point.   I've always wondered why the traffic backed up coming into downtown during the afternoon rush hour instead of being the other way around.  I mean I-85 coming into Atlanta and the merge with 75 is worse than leaving the city.  It's all very strange!!!

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 08:46 PM

I never noticed how much of 191 Peachtree King and Spalding took up until seeing those pictures... the entire top 1/3 is empty. Someone needs to move in and replace them now, the building is beautiful and needs to be lit up at night.

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 09:13 PM

View PostTheSuperPope, on Mar 28 2007, 10:46 PM, said:

I never noticed how much of 191 Peachtree King and Spalding took up until seeing those pictures... the entire top 1/3 is empty. Someone needs to move in and replace them now, the building is beautiful and needs to be lit up at night.

Wow. I just noticed that after your mention and I live here. I guess all my attention goes to the "Temples of Peach" at the very top.

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 07:24 AM

View PostPillsbury, on Mar 28 2007, 04:10 PM, said:

That is a perfect example of your point.   I've always wondered why the traffic backed up coming into downtown during the afternoon rush hour instead of being the other way around.  I mean I-85 coming into Atlanta and the merge with 75 is worse than leaving the city.  It's all very strange!!!

Well, that's basically just the way it works in Atlanta, Pillsbury.  Most of the cars on the downtown connector actually don't have anything to do with downtown itself, they are simply passing through on their way from one suburb to another.  I was talking with a traffic engineers recently and he remarked that the worst traffic bottleneck in Buckhead is the ramps at I-20 -- i.e., the hordes of southbound commuters in the evening passing through from the northern suburbs to the suburbs south, east and west of the city, which backs up the connector all the way up I-85, and all the way up GA 400 to north of the toll both.  

So when you hear traffic copters talking about "traffic working its way into downtown" they are actually talking about traffic working its way THROUGH downtown.  For the vast majority it's neither their destination nor point of origin.

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 03:11 PM

View PostAndrea, on Mar 27 2007, 06:35 PM, said:

Nice photos, IC!!

This picture, by the way, is an excellent example of the essentially suburban nature of the downtown connector.  As you can see, southbound traffic is primarily coming from I-75 and I-85 north of Midtown, as commuters from the northern suburbs creep through town on their way to the southern, eastern and western suburbs.  I realize the vast majority of people live and work in the suburbs and that they need a way to commute from suburb to suburb, but it's unfortunate that their freeway interchange has to be located in the middle of downtown.  It would make a lot more sense to dismantle the connector in its present form and convert it to an efficient system of urban streets and boulevards, and re-route the freeways through the suburbs where their burden falls primarily on those who prefer to use them.
While I agree that freeways are bad for cities, let's just say you have someone who lives in, say, Smyrna and works in Decatur (a long drive, but there are people who do that). Wouldn't it be quicker for them to take a freeway route through downtown than one rerouted through the suburbs? Furthermore, wouldn't a single, direct route such as a freeway be more efficient to that driver than driving through a network of streets, even if they were under a strict grid?

Don't get me wrong, I'm still not a big fan of freeways, just curious about this.

Ideally, I suppose, we should try to create a sort of Champs-Elysees--an "urban freeway" of sorts that is a wide road through the city whose only differences from an interstate/highway is a) that it is not federally or state-funded and b) has a collection of shops and trees lining it's streets. Granted, this would be more pleasing to the eye and definitely more urban friendly than an interstate, but the two (an interstate and this road proposed here) are essentially wide spreads of pavement with a traffic problem.

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 05:15 PM

View Postironchapman, on Mar 29 2007, 04:11 PM, said:

While I agree that freeways are bad for cities, let's just say you have someone who lives in, say, Smyrna and works in Decatur (a long drive, but there are people who do that). Wouldn't it be quicker for them to take a freeway route through downtown than one rerouted through the suburbs? Furthermore, wouldn't a single, direct route such as a freeway be more efficient to that driver than driving through a network of streets, even if they were under a strict grid?

Don't get me wrong, I'm still not a big fan of freeways, just curious about this.

Well, for starters, of course, you would hope that people would start choosing jobs closer to their homes and vice versa.  But even if they don’t want to do that, relocating the expressways out of the central city is still the sensible way to go.

Consider the folks who’ve moved intown because they are not into the mega-commuting lifestyle.  Isn’t it extremely unfair to require them to subsidize, by the construction of monster roads through their own neighborhoods, those who are into mega-commuting among distant suburbs?  These roads not only have to be built at a cost of billions of dollars, they have to be maintained as well.  They generate enormous amounts of air and sound pollution.  They take up vast amounts of space and destroy connectivity, dividing the areas they pass through by huge, uncrossable concrete canyons. It’s even more unbalanced to ram these expressways through communities which don't need them, since they are the ones who suffer the burden of the pollution, racket and destruction.  

Freeways are not efficient ways to move large numbers of people through urban areas.  They bundle all traffic into a relatively few lanes.  Consider the connector as it presently exists – 6 lanes northbound and 6 lanes southbound, plus an HOV lane.  All vehicles have to proceed in the same direction, and it is very difficult to change lanes or exit.  (The next exit north of 5th street is Buckhead, for instance).  

In place of that, envision a system of 6 well designed urban streets running north and south, with two lanes in each direction, plus a turn lane.  You suddenly have OVER TWICE as much capacity, including 6 new turn lanes that allow people to make stops, change directions, and generally diffuse out into larger areas.  Drivers are no longer crammed into a concrete chute – instead, they can stop along the way for shopping, dining and all sorts of other errands.

Now we’re not talking about eliminating freeways.  For people who love to use them, they'll still exist.  We’re only talking about relocating freeways to where their burden falls on the people who like them, rather than ramming them parts of town that have little use for them.  Inside the city, you focus on well designed urban streets, with good connectivity, crosswalks, signals, medians, turnouts, etc.  You focus on creating bike and pedestrian access, since you have the density to make it feasible.  Inside the city, you also focus on creating a first class system of mass transit, with heavy rail, light rail, streetcars and buses, since you also have the concentration of people and destinations to support that.

Here’s a sketch from another website suggesting one possible reconfiguration.  Personally, I’d tweak this drawing a bit more and move the freeways back a mile or two further.  Freeway fans would still have their limited access concrete chutes, we just wouldn’t be ramming them though the middle of the city.  The city would become much more livable and accessible, and would likely experience explosive growth.

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Edited by Andrea, 30 March 2007 - 06:12 AM.