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[beltwayboy08]

Having heard about almost every one of virginia's cities getting it's new tallest building, i'd say it's safe to assume that we have finally broken our streak of "short" buildings. do you think this will continue? will our cities keep getting higher or  will this be merely a good streak? look at tysons, arlington, norfolk, va beach, richmond........   can we keep it going?  when the housing market opens up again, hopefully we can add some new condo towers that wont be as limited as granby.   what do you guys think??  will it keep on?

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beltwayboy08, on Jul 16 2007, 07:17 AM, said:

Having heard about almost every one of virginia's cities getting it's new tallest building, i'd say it's safe to assume that we have finally broken our streak of "short" buildings. do you think this will continue? will our cities keep getting higher or  will this be merely a good streak? look at tysons, arlington, norfolk, va beach, richmond........   can we keep it going?  when the housing market opens up again, hopefully we can add some new condo towers that wont be as limited as granby.   what do you guys think??  will it keep on?

I don't think the rest of VA is scared of heights, but IMO NOVA is, but I am afraid they may get over it soon and build another bunch in Tysons Corner that are just as ugly as what's there now or worse like Crystal City.

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i like the buildings in both of these areas. they are a little out of style, but all the new ones will be modern and wont have all flat tops. they will also be much taller.  also, nova had more and taller buildings than anywhere in the state besides richmond. its our whole state that is now getting over our fear of heights.   i hope we get over it and keep building up in wrban areas.

[beltwayboy08]

our tallest tower was the james madison building in richmond at a shrimpy 449 ft. built in the 70's. now, we have just completed our new tallest at 530 ft! there are 2 towers that are proposed and underconstruction that are taller than the james monroe tower now. i think (i hope) this is a new trend. with the northern virginia counties attempting to fix traffic issues, and trying to build high density near public transportation, we know nova is back in the game. norfolk vah beach are getting a light rail to help thier traffic which is sure to beef up property values, and attract higher density for commuter reasons, that area is sure to see more redevelopment (especially near the TC). and richmond with its proposed 600 ft.er. i think and hope we have finally broken our barrier. virginia has grown from little more than the mother of presidents and farms, to the 12th largest state population, with all the modernty that comes along with it in about 30 of 40 years. thats a pretty quick transformation. this speedy population boom accounts for roads not being up to par and is why we have such a traffic issue. with that traffic issue, and all the people that cause it, we have a higher demand for high density and highrises. if alabama can have a 700 fter, and oklahoma can have a 700 fter, why cant virginia, a state with millions more in population, some of the most important government agencies and 20 fortune 500 companies? it will happen soon!

[hoobo]

beltwayboy08, on Sep 6 2007, 06:04 PM, said:

very nice!! btw, good pix of the lightening vdogg! i cant wait to see the TC complete! every new thing impresses me.

so after that 21 story tower next to the westin and that 4 of 5 story brick one on the other side, will that be it as far as buildings go? what will go up out side of, but near the TC as far as redevelopment goes? when i was there, i saw lost of warehouse areas and open parkinglots that are sure to get a makeover. right??

You really are eager to get all of Pembroke redeveloped, aren't you?  Patience.  TC isn't even built out yet.  There are still two office towers to go (one slated to begin next year) plus the mid-rise office you mention and a mid-rise entertainment/condo building between the Westin and the Cosmo.  News about the Landing, which is a residential/retail complex to be built across Independence from TC, is coming in a few weeks.  Construction of City View and Cornerstone, which are within five minutes of TC, are underway.  There's also a development planned off of Euclid.  Combined, then you're looking at over 1,000 new residential units.  We're still waiting on the 10-story multi-use Town Center West to start construction a block west of TC.  I believe the Convergence Center on Bonney is one building away from build-out.  If you combine those two projects with the ones planned for TC, then you're talking about over 800,000 sqft of Class A office space.

The market has to absorb these new spaces.  It takes time.

From your other posts, you appear to really want the redevelopment of Pembroke Mall.  A quick aerial comparison of Pembroke Mall and TC shows that the mall property is at least 1.25 times the size of TC.  Redeveloping it will take time just like it's going to take TC almost 15 years to achieve build-out.  Also, the market has to be right.  You don't want to tear down a money generator to build something that will take a long time to recoup the investment.  Unlike Coliseum Mall which was losing national chains, Pembroke has gotten national chains to come on board with its recent renovations.  That means the owners are making good rent.  They need the market demand and rents for high-rise space to exceed not only what their getting now but the capital and O&M costs (i.e. construction loans and long-term building maintenance) of the new structure.  I don't see that happening until we finish with TC and the Landing which means at least 10 and more likely 20 years from today.

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RJWGMU, on Sep 6 2007, 11:28 PM, said:

A sketch of another office tower has already been released which would be on the parking lot behind the Cosmo next to One Columbus Center.

After what you mentioned and that though, the only spots left would be Taco Bell (nothing will happen there for a long time) and the lot next to Ruth's Chris. I've heard so much about that lot I don't know what to believe!

so aside from the 21 story tower up front that had been announced like a month ago, there is another one? how big!!??!!   

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hoobo, on Sep 7 2007, 04:11 AM, said:

You really are eager to get all of Pembroke redeveloped, aren't you? Patience. TC isn't even built out yet. There are still two office towers to go (one slated to begin next year) plus the mid-rise office you mention and a mid-rise entertainment/condo building between the Westin and the Cosmo. News about the Landing, which is a residential/retail complex to be built across Independence from TC, is coming in a few weeks. Construction of City View and Cornerstone, which are within five minutes of TC, are underway. There's also a development planned off of Euclid. Combined, then you're looking at over 1,000 new residential units. We're still waiting on the 10-story multi-use Town Center West to start construction a block west of TC. I believe the Convergence Center on Bonney is one building away from build-out. If you combine those two projects with the ones planned for TC, then you're talking about over 800,000 sqft of Class A office space.

The market has to absorb these new spaces. It takes time.

From your other posts, you appear to really want the redevelopment of Pembroke Mall. A quick aerial comparison of Pembroke Mall and TC shows that the mall property is at least 1.25 times the size of TC. Redeveloping it will take time just like it's going to take TC almost 15 years to achieve build-out. Also, the market has to be right. You don't want to tear down a money generator to build something that will take a long time to recoup the investment. Unlike Coliseum Mall which was losing national chains, Pembroke has gotten national chains to come on board with its recent renovations. That means the owners are making good rent. They need the market demand and rents for high-rise space to exceed not only what their getting now but the capital and O&M costs (i.e. construction loans and long-term building maintenance) of the new structure. I don't see that happening until we finish with TC and the Landing which means at least 10 and more likely 20 years from today.

I swear that i had heard somthing about pembroke getting some highrises??? thats the basis of my interest. i even saw the renderings. they wanted to put a ped. bridge in too. i was pretty sure they wouldnt redevelop the whole thing at once, but i had heard rumors of both.
but they are building a few things near TC, so im happy. I want to see the TC be a skyline like norfolk.
btw, how tall is the westin topped out? i heard it was taller than 508. is it 529? if so, it would beat baltimore's tallest, legg mason tower!!! like i said before, we need some big ones!! arkansas, alabama, oklahoma, pennsylvania, georgia and nebraska have us beat and theyre not as important to the nation and most dont have as many people. We are long over due for some good skylines!!! alabama's new one is 745 feet!!! its nice looking! we need stuff like this. if these states can support skylines like these, virginia surely can, and should!

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The only major store at Pembroke Mall that seems to be of enduring quality (as a store) is the Sears, which isn't even part of the Pembroke Mall site and is under different ownership.  But I guess it could be a long time before the Mall re-invents itself.  Pembroke has already undergone the decline that was experienced over in Hampton at Coliseum Mall.  It is now a third tier shopping magnet, well behind Lynnhaven, MacArthur and Greebrier Malls.  But access to Pembroke remains very good (most of the time).  Lynnhaven is becoming a bit dated, and some of the neighborhoods surrounding it are in decline.  

Virginia Beach economic development types believe that Pembroke will remain a retail mall for the forseeable future.  Maybe it will be gradually upgraded as it is influenced by Town Center?  Time will tell.  I think it will tug a bit at Lynnhaven's profits, but not until some better establishments are landed at Pembroke.  But I don't see anything big happening at Pembroke Mall now.

[hoobo]

beltwayboy08, on Sep 7 2007, 07:31 AM, said:

I swear that i had heard somthing about pembroke getting some highrises??? thats the basis of my interest. i even saw the renderings. they wanted to put a ped. bridge in too. i was pretty sure they wouldnt redevelop the whole thing at once, but i had heard rumors of both.
but they are building a few things near TC, so im happy. I want to see the TC be a skyline like norfolk.
btw, how tall is the westin topped out? i heard it was taller than 508. is it 529? if so, it would beat baltimore's tallest, legg mason tower!!! like i said before, we need some big ones!! arkansas, alabama, oklahoma, pennsylvania, georgia and nebraska have us beat and theyre not as important to the nation and most dont have as many people. We are long over due for some good skylines!!! alabama's new one is 745 feet!!! its nice looking! we need stuff like this. if these states can support skylines like these, virginia surely can, and should!

The pedestrian bridge is happening.  The renderings are likely the City's vision for area or part of Kimley Horn's renderings when they did a road feasibility study to undo the traffic mess next to TC.

I believe Philadelphia and Atlanta are fairly important cities.  The tallest buildings in Tulsa and Little Rock are over 2 decades old.  Birmingham is not getting a 745 feet tall building.  That is just a proposal and a rumored one at that.  And Omaha has some big F-500 companies compared to the ones in Norfolk and Richmond.  Also, with the rise of VB, Chesapeake, and NN (Norfolk) and Henrico Co (Richmond) and the decentralization of NoVa, Virginia's metro areas haven't had the allure of a strong central city like Omaha or Atlanta are in their states.  Companies going to Richmond seem to prefer office parks.  With Norfolk and VB competing for tenants, it will be a while before we see a 600 ft building.

I hate to break it to you, but RBC Plaza that is under construction in Raleigh is slated to be 538 feet tall, 30 feet taller than the Westin.

edit:  from vdogg's comment, I looked up the RSA Battle House Tower.  Turns out it is in Mobile and not Birmingham.  I didn't realize that Mobile had so many high-rises.  It gives Birmingham a run for its money.  That building is a behemoth.  It towers over everything in town like the Westin towers over TC/Pembroke.  I like pretending to stay on topic.  Here's a good link Tallest Buildings by State.  Most are office buildings.  I wonder what that says about HR.

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[vdogg]

beltwayboy08, on Sep 7 2007, 10:08 AM, said:

so aside from the 21 story tower up front that had been announced like a month ago, there is another one? how big!!??!!   

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[vdogg]

The Westin is 525 ft tall. That's still shorter than the one in raleigh. Hoobo. I believe beltwayboy is referring to the RSA Battlehouse tower in Mobile which was completed this year. It is indeed 745 feet tall.

[beltwayboy08]

hoobo, on Sep 7 2007, 12:50 PM, said:

The pedestrian bridge is happening. The renderings are likely the City's vision for area or part of Kimley Horn's renderings when they did a road feasibility study to undo the traffic mess next to TC.

I believe Philadelphia and Atlanta are fairly important cities. The tallest buildings in Tulsa and Little Rock are over 2 decades old. Birmingham is not getting a 745 feet tall building. That is just a proposal and a rumored one at that. And Omaha has some big F-500 companies compared to the ones in Norfolk and Richmond. Also, with the rise of VB, Chesapeake, and NN (Norfolk) and Henrico Co (Richmond) and the decentralization of NoVa, Birmingham is not getting a 745 feet tall building.I hate to break it to you, but RBC Plaza that is under construction in Raleigh is slated to be 538 feet tall, 30 feet taller than the Westin.

edit: from vdogg's comment, I looked up the RSA Battle House Tower. Turns out it is in Mobile and not Birmingham. I didn't realize that Mobile had so many high-rises. It gives Birmingham a run for its money. That building is a behemoth. It towers over everything in town like the Westin towers over TC/Pembroke. I like pretending to stay on topic. Here's a good link Tallest Buildings by State. Most are office buildings. I wonder what that says about HR.

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Birmingham is not getting a 745 feet tall building.

sorry.. maybe its mobile or one of the other ones. but its actually just been completed.
tulsa and little rock have been ahead of us for 2 decades.
i wouldnt amagine that omaha has more f-500's than NOVA tho.. right?
about the va cities not having the allure.. i agree. this all shoud be changing soon tho now that people are getting back into urbanism. (traffic and style.)

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hate to break it to you, but RBC Plaza that is under construction in Raleigh is slated to be 538 feet tall, 30 feet taller than the Westin.

It sucks, but NC has lots of big companies like virginia. that charlotte building is really nice and its like 950'!

[beltwayboy08]

btw!!  VAH BEACH HAS A TALLER BUILDING THAT BALTIMORE NOW! THE WESTIN AT 525 BEATS THE LEGG MASON TOWER BY 3'! at least we can compare to someone...

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beltwayboy08, on Sep 12 2007, 01:13 PM, said:

btw!!  VAH BEACH HAS A TALLER BUILDING THAT BALTIMORE NOW! THE WESTIN AT 525 BEATS THE LEGG MASON TOWER BY 3'! at least we can compare to someone...

I'm pretty sure the Westin was only to be 509' from the last announcement. Maybe 513', I can't remember.

[vdogg]

urbanfan, on Sep 12 2007, 02:50 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure the Westin was only to be 509' from the last announcement. Maybe 513', I can't remember.

525ft. I know i've said this at least 5 times. That number was put out in the last article about the tower from slenderwall. I feel like a ghost, I say that number and people skip right over it and put another estimate out. Btw beltwayboy. The Mason tower is 529ft I believe, possibly taller. I know for sure though that it is taller than the Westin. Also, Baltimore has several 700-900ft towers that are either under or getting ready to start construction. Hate to say it, but we can't even touch Baltimore on this.

[vdogg]

Baltimore projects thread

Washington area and developer plans to build Baltimores tallest

This is what Washington developer Richard Naing has in store for Baltimore:

[beltwayboy08]

When will we get somthing taller again?? I'm almost tired of getting excited over shrimpy 15 and 20 storiers. We have like the 5 shortest tallest building of any state. we beat like maine and alaska. lol. i want taller buildings. virginia can surely handle towers like this. I want to see them when our national realestate slump is over in a few years. there is no reason why not. especially given Virginia's new "higher density" tactic.







here are some pix of reston town center i had. not related to my topic. just an update for you guys down south.

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here are some of rosslyn. rosslyn is really trying to do some smart urban growth like ballston.

I'll try and get some of the "ultral luxury" 280' turnberry condo tower. It's a big ditch right now with some big cranes over it. http://www.turnberry...p?direct=google

likewise, ill try and get some pix of Rosslyn central place when demolition begins in january. http://www.arlington.......n&map_id=64


on the other hand.. Virginia beach tc is crazy cool. i just hope that the state can get some more, taller, highrises. it's an icon thing. as you can probably tell, I'm very proud of virginia and I dont want it to be seen as less than what it is. when someone sees modern skyscrapers, they think "big city", and "modern". I think its important to show that were not just a farming state anymore. infact, far from.

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[vdogg]

Don't you dare hijack my thread beltwayboy   . This thread is about the Westin. The Northern Virginia/D.C. forum is here.