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[memphisvol]

Flying Saucer, Blue Monkey have banned anyone under 21 to continue to allow smoking.  I am not sure about any Cooper-Young establishments, but I imagine that Celtic Crossing might (but they do have great outdoor seating).  

What are your thoughts?  My thoughts are that I was in the initial planning stages of investing in a new franchise in Memphis (had a great location picked out and the concept is successful elsewhere), but the business is half bar/half food, and is usually very popular among 18-21 year olds.  I am thinking about putting this on old now.

My thoughts are that at least in downtown and midtown the smoking ban will be financially detrimental to the establishments that choose to go to smoke free.

[memphisvol]

memphisvol, on Oct 3 2007, 05:43 PM, said:

Flying Saucer, Blue Monkey have banned anyone under 21 to continue to allow smoking.  I am not sure about any Cooper-Young establishments, but I imagine that Celtic Crossing might (but they do have great outdoor seating).  

What are your thoughts?  My thoughts are that I was in the initial planning stages of investing in a new franchise in Memphis (had a great location picked out and the concept is successful elsewhere), but the business is half bar/half food, and is usually very popular among 18-21 year olds.  I am thinking about putting this on old now.

My thoughts are that at least in downtown and midtown the smoking ban will be financially detrimental to the establishments that choose to go to smoke free.

Sorry meant to post this on the Memphis board, but feel free how you feel the smoking ban will impact eating establishments statewide.

[Clobber]

memphisvol, on Oct 3 2007, 05:47 PM, said:

Sorry meant to post this on the Memphis board, but feel free how you feel the smoking ban will impact eating establishments statewide.

I think it will backfire.  Not only w/ respect to what you said, but those that restrict patrons to over 21 seem to be allowed to then allow smoking everywhere inside (i.e. Flying Saucer).  Many over 21 folks will bail rather than sit in an ashtray.

[Justiceham]

I couldn't wait till the anti smoking law passed. I can go out and not have to worry about smelling like an ashtray when I come home. I can also enjoy my food, too.

[Lexy]

I don't smoke.  But I also feel it is wrong for government to tell business' how to operate.  You have a choice to go inside or not.  If you don't want to "smell like smoke", go somewhere else.  This is a violation of the business owners Constitutional Rights afforded them by the Constitution of the United States.  And if I was an owner, i'd sue the government and any citizens group for every last dime they had.  They don't have the right and that's all there is to it.

[Rural King]

^ So far every state that has passed the ban has thus far had it upheld in the courts I believe. I think the only way it will be reversed is if a future legislature and governor decide it was a bad policy and/or due to public pressure.

[Rardy]

Lexy, on Oct 7 2007, 01:22 PM, said:

I don't smoke.  But I also feel it is wrong for government to tell business' how to operate.  You have a choice to go inside or not.  If you don't want to "smell like smoke", go somewhere else.  This is a violation of the business owners Constitutional Rights afforded them by the Constitution of the United States.  And if I was an owner, i'd sue the government and any citizens group for every last dime they had.  They don't have the right and that's all there is to it.

Standards, decency acts, and codes of conduct apply to individuals and private businesses all the time.  It's not a violation of their consitutitional rights as the Bill of Rights only applies to individuals - not their businesses.  That's why governments routinely legislate and limit "exotic" dancing - it's the same principle.

The consitution is also only a guarantee of what the Federal government will/will not do.  You'll also need to look to the Tennessee Constitution as well because individual state's constitutions can be more liberal or restrictive than the federal one.

(But I don't believe you'll find a constitutional right to smoke, in any case)

[nashscan]

The TGI Friday's in Antioch has completely enclosed it's bar area, and patrons must be 21 to enter.  Jonathan's on Nolensville Rd is now 21+ at all times.  The market has spoken.