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[barakat]

I favor Sulphur Dell, but will admit it's because such a large development would directly benefit my neighborhood [Hope Gardens] and bring desirable amenities to the area.  However, it's too far from the convention center and most downtown hotels to be appealing to tourists.  Of course, a new field in Sulphur Dell could spawn new hotels between the immediate area and downtown, which would partially solve that problem.  Overall, I believe East Bank makes the most sense.  It's close enough to MCC and several hotels.  It's a short walk from Second Avenue, and would have a synergistic effect with existing and future riverfront development.  I see why Dean is intrigued by the East bank site, but also see the advantages to the other sites.  The Charlotte Ave site would require lots of adjacent, concurrent development to be viable, in my opinion.

[jdavidf]

MTSUBlueraider86, on 01 December 2011 - 09:33 AM, said:

It seems the naysayers are out in droves in the posted articles comment section. Nashvillian's do not want a penny spent on anything. Many have no idea how development works, and how many jobs were created by the Titans and the Predators. The Sounds Stadium will spur growth no matter where it is located.

I would prefer the thermal site to create more infill, but Sulphur Dell works for me too. Charlotte would be a good location, but it backs up to too many project areas. This would keep a lot of restaurants and other business out. They don't like being near the projects.

You're so right about the naysayers..  very short-sighted..  I'm no development/government expert, but I suspect there's more to the "wasteful studies" than meets the eye. Those commentors might consider understanding what's actually going on before trashing what they don't get..

As for the location, if I'm honest, the Thermal site makes a lot of sense..  and the Sulphur Dell (Dale?) site should probably be the sentimental favorite..  with the Charlotte site last..  for the very reasons you mention..

[smeagolsfree]

Here is the latest from the NBJ. Also attached is the Summery and the study. large PDF files


NBJ story

http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2011/12/01/ballpark-feasibility-study-gives.html?page=all

Summery


http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/pdf/111201_executive%20summary_ballpark%20study.pdf

Full Study

http://www.nashville.gov/mayor/docs/ballpark/SiteEvaluationStudy.pdf

[smeagolsfree]

Looks as if the cost would be in the area of 52 million and could be ready by the 2014 season according to the study. I would expect that Metro would do the same deal they had when the stadium was proposed for the thermal site but who knows. But that leaves the big question, How do you pay for it? Seems to me that the original cost at the thermal site was going to be in the neighborhood of 19 million. Don’t hold me to that figure but its what I seem to remember and Streuver Brothers was going to develop the rest.
I think the land cost on the Sulphur Dell would be less than any other location.
The east bank can be an option depending where it goes and which option they use according to the full study. That one has the mayor’s attention and could bring in some major developers to the east bank. The draw back if they use the PSC metals site is that it would take a lot of money to clean the site as it is considered a brown field wiht all of the chemicals in the ground.
The Charlotte site could work depending on co-operation of Crosland and Southeast Ventures who own the majority of the property it would go on. They would have to develop the site at the same time as the stadium. However I think Crosland has much more planned for the site than a ball park.

[jdavidf]

smeagolsfree, on 01 December 2011 - 11:17 AM, said:

However I think Crosland has much more planned for the site than a ball park.

Do tell  

[smeagolsfree]

I was shocked when I saw the accessed value of the land involved in each site. I figured the Sulphur Dell site would be the least costly and the East bank would be the most costly. The numbers are just the opposite and looks as if the East Bank may win out just on cost factors alone. Here is a blog from the NBJ


http://www.bizjourna...n.html?page=all

East Bank, near Korean Veterans Boulevard

• Size = 80 acres
  
• Land assessed value + site costs: $8.6 million

$107,550 per acre
Sulphur Dell

• Size = 24.75 acres
  
• Land assessed value + site costs: $14 million

$565,656 per acre

North Gulch, north of Charlotte Avenue

• Size = 30 acres
  
• Land assessed value + site costs: $13 million

$433,333 per acre

[MTSUBlueraider86]

I think we have our answer where it's going!

[fieldmarshaldj]

MTSUBlueraider86, on 01 December 2011 - 04:19 PM, said:

I think we have our answer where it's going!

Antioch ?

[smeagolsfree]

Here is an article from the Tennessean today .
http://www.tennessea...|text|FRONTPAGE

Pretty much in a nut shell, it says that the Sounds favor the East bank site at the foot of the Shelby Street bridge over the foot of the KVB Bridge, and the city has been in talks with PSC for over a year to try and relocate the facility. The cost of moving and cleaning the site up would be very high.

[MTSUBlueraider86]

Interesting to see if anything will be done before the new baseball season in March.

[smeagolsfree]

Councilperson Gilmore has questions for Mayor Deansites for ballpark site location.

Form the NBJ

http://www.bizjourna...k-populous.html

[producer2]

I guess the fact that there is another option within her district does not weigh in her opinion. Gotta keep those Germantown folks happy!

[Volanova]

One great thing about a baseball park near Shelby Street is that it can share parking with LP Field.  Sort of like what they have done in Philadelphia with the sports complex.  All the major stadiums (with the exception of the Union's PPL Park soccer stadium in the suburb of Chester), served by a single large mass transit stop, with plenty of parking all around.  Plus, it turns it into something of a destination.  With the stadiums in one place, things can start growing up around it, instead of spreading them out over two separate areas.  Businesses can benefit from people attending events at both, and not have to decide which one to locate near.

Not to mention, the Sounds *really* need something other than Greer...

[nashvylle]

I see what you are saying, but I think the downtowns that have their stadiums in different areas, but all within the vacinity of downtown, benefit the most. It creates a unique area to each section. Just my opinion.

[MTSUBlueraider86]

I hope they make the decision soon. They have been discussing this for a decade now and just like West End Summit, and the Federal Courthouse nothing is getting done. Nashville seems to take too long to make a decision because to many people with opposing views seem to slow things down and get their way. The whole fiasco with Lionstone and Joy Ford is evident of that. She will go to her grave thinking she "got to stick it to the man..."

We elect our public officials with the faith they will make a good decision, yet we second guess every move they make for fear taxes will go up or it will be something we will regret. Just get the damn thing done!

[nashville_bound]

agree....but no new taxes
ha