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[Neo]

I see light rail as being what many medium sized cities are investing in in an attempt to future proof their cities...likewise larger cities (particularly fast growing Asian cities) are still investing in subway technologies that have been around for over a century. Have we made much gain in transit methods for our cities? Are existing technologies so well designed that they are the most efficient method available?

What is the future of transportation for our fast growing cities? What technologies are being developed and what types of transit should we stay away from if we really want to future proof the world in which we live?

[cloudship]

Light rail and Metro (subway) rail are not extremely different. Steel Wheel on Steel Rail has many advantages, and one of those is that it is cheap, tried and tested. It is about as conservative as you can get and still be mass transit.

Busses of course will always remain popular. Cheap upfront, most people still have difficulty thinking far enough ahead to see the ultimate savings trains provide.

Monorails prove an interesting anomally. They have the benefit of a guided transit way with the conventionality and cheapness of the rubber tired bus. Yet ironically they are seen as too futuristic and gimicky to be taken seriously. But as Asia and the Middle East start building more and more monorail systems, at some point they are going to become commonplace, and at that point we may suddenly see a surge of interest.

An interesting new technology is MagLev. Still relatively new, if promises hold true such savings in costs will end up making them highly desirable. But if they don't see those savings, they may become just another passing fad.

The real change in transportation will come, though, not in the technology but in the politics. Mass Transit systems are held to much higher standards than cars and busses. And they often are seen as a public subsidy and not a public convenience. But as more and more transit systems in other countries prove the US standards to be out of touch, and that public transit is more than just for the poor, those standards will change, and more systems will be built.

[Neo]

I agree that maglev technology is in the cross-hairs for future transportation, but it is unfortunately just getting of the ground even though it has been around for some time. There are currently some studies being done for maglev projects like between the Chattanooga and Atlanta airports, but I don't have a great deal of faith for actual construction beginning any time soon for any of these projects. Maglev projects in the US can be found here: http://www.usmaglevc...om/projects.php

You are most correct in the future of transportation being directly attributed to political willingness to pump money and faith into mass transit in America. Without it we'll always be stuck with the inefficient automobile network we currently invest most of our dollars into.

[dpbaker]

Neo, on 11 November 2009 - 07:45 AM, said:

You are most correct in the future of transportation being directly attributed to political willingness to pump money and faith into mass transit in America. Without it we'll always be stuck with the inefficient automobile network we currently invest most of our dollars into.

Totally agree. Especially about the money. Additionally, the light/commuter rail lobby is a powerful one. Yes it is cheap, but far inferior IMHO to other systems for various reasons. This is another contributor that will hold back change in many areas.

[calwinston]

This is IBM's The Smarter City! The reason for posting is because of the great videos of what other countries do to control mass transit and what can be done in the future!

http://www-03.ibm.co...tation/ch5/end/

[Icetera]

Neo, on 11 November 2009 - 07:45 AM, said:

You are most correct in the future of transportation being directly attributed to political willingness to pump money and faith into mass transit in America. Without it we'll always be stuck with the inefficient automobile network we currently invest most of our dollars into.

I have always been a proponent for government ran mass-transit systems, but after visiting the Tokyo region, I would love to see more encouragement for privately funded mass-transit.  I was surprised to see that Japan's impressive rail system (at least in the Kanto region) is mostly privately owned and managed, much like how America's rail system had begun.  Downtown Tokyo actually has two competing subway systems (much like how New York City's system had started) and there are at least a dozen regional rail companies in the area.  Out of Narita Airport (30 miles East of Tokyo proper), I found two competing rail companies with three lines accessing central Tokyo: Keisei (one line) and Japan Rail (local CityLiner and express SkyLiner).  I chose the pricier JR trains for the shorter commute and was impressed with how well maintained these trains were.  Even the Tokyo metro trains were kept very clean (especially compared to NYC MTA trains) and ran on comparable schedules to NYC MTA system (of which I had always been impressed with prior).