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Posted 24 August 2004 - 10:27 AM

Mass. wants federal funds for commuter rail extension
By Bridget Botelho, Staff Writer | 08/21/2004

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Southeastern Massachusetts officials have long sought an extension of the state's commuter rail system to the New Bedford/Fall River area.

A transportation bond bill signed by Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney Aug. 10 includes the long-awaited New Bedford/Fall River commuter rail project – but the state wants matching federal funds before making its financial commitment.

The transportation bond bill includes the extension of commuter rail service to Fall River and New Bedford, but the governor said the state “will not spend money on expansion projects where federal monies are not provided” because “the MBTA is not financially capable of funding these expansion projects,” Massachusetts Highway Department spokesman John Carlisle said.

The governor’s inclusion of the project in the transportation bond bill gives hope that the rail will become a reality, but the $800 million project is still “far from the goal line,” said Southeastern Regional Planning and Economic Development District CEO Steve Smith.

“I wouldn’t say it’s probable that the federal government will contribute 50 percent of the money, but we were looking into that possibility before. If $400 million can be obtained from the Feds, it will help the state tremendously,” Smith said. “It will make the process of getting this project done even longer, though. Asking for federal money triggers federal environmental reviews – which are no more stringent than the state’s – but it’s about a five-year process.”

The governor vetoed a section of the bill that would give first priority to projects that serve cities and towns without commuter rail or rapid transit services – including New Bedford and Fall River, reports Southcoast on Track, an alliance of public and private sector community leaders committed to getting commuter rail service between Boston and the South Coast.

“The governor doesn’t want to push back other projects that are further along to give priority to towns based on their not having a commuter rail,” Carlisle said. “There are significant issues that need to be addressed with the (New Bedford/Fall River) project before we can talk in terms of funding. You can’t build without the groundwork.”

The issues the governor refers to will be addressed.

Massachusetts Transportation Secretary Daniel A. Grabauskas announced Aug. 11 a $200,000 contract from the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority to restart the project study commission that was suspended in 2002 to study issues with the project.

The Fall River/New Bedford Commuter Rail Growth Management Task Force – part of the southeastern economic development district – will research the regional impact of a commuter rail line by evaluating the negative impacts a rail system would have on the region – such as urban sprawl, noise and environmental impacts – and the positive impacts, Smith said.

Some benefits to be studied by the task force are possible property value increases, job growth and business investments to the areas surrounding the stations, and traffic alleviation.

The MBTA is also close to overcoming another hurdle in the project by negotiating a deal with CSX Corp. to possibly purchase 33 miles of track needed for the project, Smith said. The MBTA cannot allocate money to upgrade the rail tracks until CSX agrees, Smith said.

The project will extend the existing Stoughton Line service from South Station and Back Bay Station to New Bedford and Fall River, including new construction of track, bridges, grade crossings, intersection improvements, and eight new commuter rail stations as well as two train layover facilities, the MBTA reports.

It is supposed to provide 16 daily round trips – eight round trips to New Bedford and eight to Fall River – and serve about 4,280 new daily inbound riders, MBTA reports.

From The Providence Business News


 

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Posted 17 February 2005 - 02:34 PM

What ended up happening here? Did we ever get funding?

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 04:10 PM

Gov. Patrick backs commuter rail to the SouthCoast:

New Mass. governor vows to push for commuter rail [Providence Journal 7to7 NewsBlog]

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 08:09 AM

This has been one of the key things the agency I work at has been pushing for the past 20 years.  

Here's a link to the Draft Commuter Rail Chapter of our 2007 Regional Transportation Plan:  

SMMPO Commuter Rail Chapter-2007 Regional Transportation Plan

Public comments always welcome of course.  It will hopefully be approved by the MPO later this month and then it will go out for an official 30-day public comment period.

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 08:26 AM

Gov. Patrick is expected to launch a one billion dollar plan in the coming weeks to start the SouthCoast Commuter Rail Project. Construction could begin within the year on service from South Station to Taunton, New Bedford, and Fall River.

Proposed Rail Would Link South Coast To Boston [WBZ-TV]
Video report included at link.

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 09:15 AM

View PostCotuit, on Mar 21 2007, 10:26 AM, said:

Gov. Patrick is expected to launch a one billion dollar plan in the coming weeks to start the SouthCoast Commuter Rail Project. Construction could begin within the year on service from South Station to Taunton, New Bedford, and Fall River.

Proposed Rail Would Link South Coast To Boston [WBZ-TV]
Video report included at link.
The Lt. Governor and Secretary of Transportation went on a tour of the proposed station sites and then held a meeting in Fall River to discuss the project a few weeks ago with the Commuter Rail Task Force.  Hopefully good decisions will finally come out of all this.

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 09:28 AM

It looks like the existing line that goes to Fall River continues all the way to Newport.  I wonder if there is any chance of summer weekend service to Newport?

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 09:39 AM

View Postatlrvr, on Mar 21 2007, 11:28 AM, said:

I wonder if there is any chance of summer weekend service to Newport?

Private investors were talking about restarting rail service on Aquidneck Island, but I've heard nothing of it recently.
http://www.urbanplan...showtopic=10795

There is currently no rail bridge connecting the island to the mainland, so until we see that bridge replaced, not trains will be heading to the island. It seems if service were to extend to Newport, it would be via some sort of RIPTA/RIDOT operated light rail line, with transfers to commuter rail in Fall River.

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 10:16 AM

RIDOT Aquidneck Island Passenger Rail Study

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 07:43 PM

Thanks for that link....it doesn't look good for the Newport-Fall River connection....it looks like it would cost an extra $47M to build (as opposed to on-island only service) and have an annual operating cost of $3.4M with revenue of only $139k.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:50 AM

View Postatlrvr, on Mar 21 2007, 09:43 PM, said:

Thanks for that link....it doesn't look good for the Newport-Fall River connection....it looks like it would cost an extra $47M to build (as opposed to on-island only service) and have an annual operating cost of $3.4M with revenue of only $139k.
Yep, that's the problem.  For the time being it looks as though the tourist dinner train will be the only trains operating there.  I believe plans for the bike path along that rail line are in the works now though.

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Posted 03 April 2007 - 07:18 PM

The Governor will be at UMass Dartmouth tomorrow to announce his plans for Commuter Rail in SE Mass.

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Posted 03 April 2007 - 08:00 PM

View PostRecchia, on Apr 3 2007, 09:18 PM, said:

The Governor will be at UMass Dartmouth tomorrow to announce his plans for Commuter Rail in SE Mass.

Doesn't there come a point when people are "commuting" such a great distance that it just becomes intra-state rail service?  I think that if they billed it as this, they could start up a new system on a totally new tier to connect the entire state - and not just to Boston.  They could call is MassRAIL or MASSTransit or something.

Tier 1: STATEWIDE
MassRAIL
Greyhound Busses
Amtrack

Tier 2: METROPOLITAIN BOSTON
MBTA commuter rail

Tier 3: CITY OF BOSTON AND ENVIRONS
MBTA buses and subways

(Tier 4: YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD)
Sidewalks

(Tier 5: YOUR LIVING ROOM)
The carpet

Edited by tracer1138, 03 April 2007 - 08:00 PM.


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Posted 04 April 2007 - 04:40 AM

Funding, NIMBY's and Environmentalists in Easton and Raynham have always been the problem in getting this going.  I don't think branding it as something else would have helped, though I see your point.  

The impacts to the Hockomock Swamp are some of the major issues with people.  What I don't get is, first off, how much MORE impact will active trains have?  The tracks and/or grading are already there.  Even if the most polluting trains were used, the amount of cars removed from Route 24 as a result of this project will more than make up the difference.

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Posted 04 April 2007 - 11:54 AM

Patrick vows Commuter Rail Extension by 2016

Patrick said he plans to pay for the extension using tax revenue from 15,000 new jobs he wants to see created along the corridor over the next few years.  He's urging planners to get land around the proposed stations developed.  This seems as though we may have a chicken-egg problem about to surface.  

$17 million in bonds will be used to do preliminary work.  The EIR that the state did will expire soon so it will have to be "revisited."

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Posted 04 April 2007 - 01:31 PM

Here's Boston.com's story on it:

Plan for southeast rail line would expand South Station, move major post office [The Boston Globe]

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 08:05 AM

Southcoast Rail Website
Website for the project, includes the report from the Governor's office.

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 05:32 AM

There was a story on Ch 10 news yesterday morning that beside Fall River & New Bedford the State & MBTA was also looking to expand into Brocton & Taunton. However I can't seem to locate any news articles on this. Anyone able to post something?

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 02:15 PM

Taunton has always been proposed as a stop on the extended line to FR/NB.  Brockton already has three stations.  South Coast Rail




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