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[mediamongrel]

cosmoboy, on Jul 31 2005, 03:27 PM, said:

I went to Eastland about a year ago and really wan't that impressed. I kind of though someone was goin to mug me or panhandle me while I was walking in. I truly do think Eastland will end up like South Square in Durham. I hate to say this but I only give it about 2 more years before it goes belly-up. Isn't Eastland owned by Simon?

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Finally, someone who had a similar experience as me at Eastland.  I'm not trying to get everyone on this message board angry with me by saying I felt unsafe there, but I guess I already did.  At least I have one person who agreed with my original point before someone else brought race into the issue.  (Which wasn't my original point anyway.)

[StevenRocks]

mediamongrel, on Aug 2 2005, 11:53 PM, said:

Finally, someone who had a similar experience as me at Eastland.  I'm not trying to get everyone on this message board angry with me by saying I felt unsafe there, but I guess I already did.  At least I have one person who agreed with my original point before someone else brought race into the issue.  (Which wasn't my original point anyway.)

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mediamongrel, I can tell by your posts that you're an opinionated person and who's to say that you can't have an opinion? Certainbly not me, because I want to be heard too.

You gotta be careful how you phrase things, though.  If you're talking about tearing down a mall in a black neighborhood that's still occuiped and doing reasonably well becaue of your percieved notions of what goes on there, of course someone will call you a racist.  

If I felt unsafe at Carolina Place and wanted to have it torn down using some flimsy argument suggesting that the shrinkage is high at Belk because of neighborhood people stealing (not true, used as an example) and called the place a "haven for crime" or whatnot, I'd expect that someone would call me on that as a racist thought.

Best thing for you to do is to think before you speak, not in the ["politically correct"- I can't say anything because it might offend somebody] way, but in the [maybe something like that could be precieved as racist and I should rephrsase to not make myself look like an a**] way.  I promise in these words that I will do the same.

[csedwards72]

StevenRocks, on Aug 3 2005, 12:46 AM, said:

I figured Glimcher would throw up their hands and leave.

What's funny is that they have a seven-anchor mall in Columbus, Ohio (that should have never been built, as it killed on mall and got overshadowed by a much better mall built at the same time) that's already lost two anchors and has at least two others that are on shaky ground. 

I wonder if they're giving up on that one too, or trying to sell malls like Eastland to shore up that albatross.

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Which mall?  Which anchors closed or are struggling?

That's where mall issues get really interesting-- once the anchors start fleeing, it can be difficult to bounce back (look what happened to Greenville Mall!).

[SmellyCat]

StevenRocks, on Aug 3 2005, 12:46 AM, said:

I figured Glimcher would throw up their hands and leave.

What's funny is that they have a seven-anchor mall in Columbus, Ohio (that should have never been built, as it killed on mall and got overshadowed by a much better mall built at the same time) that's already lost two anchors and has at least two others that are on shaky ground. 

I wonder if they're giving up on that one too, or trying to sell malls like Eastland to shore up that albatross.

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Stevenrocks...that mall you refer to in Columbus, ironically enough, is also called Eastland Mall.  The name must be jinxed.

[cinco]

where is the love?  for god's sake eastland has our only public ice-skating rink!  it might be sad to most, but eastland is charlotte's "rockefeller plaza".  

*seriously, i hope someone can get this place together...it has a nice layout and i think could see a new life, yet.

[SmellyCat]

cinco, on Aug 3 2005, 10:52 AM, said:

where is the love?  for god's sake eastland has our only public ice-skating rink!  it might be sad to most, but eastland is charlotte's "rockefeller plaza". 

*seriously, i hope someone can get this place together...it has a nice layout and i think could see a new life, yet.

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Unfortunately I believe this may signal an eventual death knell for Eastland.  Glimcher's specialty is acquiring B-/C assets and repositioning them.  For them to abandon ship at this point is a bad omen - I guess they feel there is little to no additional upside with the property.  

Cited was the current and future costs associated with maintaining the mall as extremely high - the required capital expenditures will be enormous, especially if one or more of the anchors goes dark and the security costs are, of course, abnormally high.  Add to that the huge shrinkage costs to the retailers due to theft, which greatly lowers the percentage rent that the owner would be getting otherwise.

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Hmm.  Seems to me there was another ice skating rink somewhere in Charlotte.  Maybe its closed now.

[moonshield]

I believe there is one called the "Ice House" or something like that.

[f0xym0p]

moonshield, on Aug 3 2005, 11:36 AM, said:

I believe there is one called the "Ice House" or something like that.

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There is an Ice House in Pineville. I don't believe there is another ice rink in Charlotte.

[monsoon]

Pineville, S. Charlotte,  same thing, just a different name.

[cosmoboy]

SmellyCat, on Aug 3 2005, 09:02 AM, said:

Stevenrocks...that mall you refer to in Columbus, ironically enough, is also called Eastland Mall.  The name must be jinxed.

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Yeah I noticed that too, and guess what they have the SAME website layout!

[StevenRocks]

csedwards72, on Aug 3 2005, 08:26 AM, said:

Which mall?  Which anchors closed or are struggling?

That's where mall issues get really interesting-- once the anchors start fleeing, it can be difficult to bounce back (look what happened to Greenville Mall!).

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SmellyCat, on Aug 3 2005, 09:02 AM, said:

Stevenrocks...that mall you refer to in Columbus, ironically enough, is also called Eastland Mall.  The name must be jinxed.

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cosmoboy, on Aug 3 2005, 12:18 PM, said:

Yeah I noticed that too, and guess what they have the SAME website layout!

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Actually, although Eastland Mall in Columbus is owned by Glimcher and is losing its legacy (Lazarus) Macy's in favor of a smaller Macy's (which will open as a Kaufmann's), that's not the mall I'm referring to.

The mall I'm talking about is Polaris Fashion Place.  It's on the north end of Columbus, and opend a couple years ago with JCPenney, Sears, Lazarus, Saks, Kaufmann's, Lord & Taylor and The Great Indoors.  

It took the first three anchors from Northland Mall and caused that mall to go under.  Northland's now been demolished, and the old Lazarus is now the headquarters for the parent company of Value City.

Another mall, Easton Town Center, opened at the same time that Polaris did.  Easton had only Nordstrom and Lazarus as anchors but also had the backing of the company that owns The Limited and a new neo-traditonal design that's been hailed by mall industry leaders, urban planners, and shoppers alike.  Think Birkdale on steriods.

Compared to all that, Polaris was just another mall, and one with some weak anchors at that.  So far, Lord & Taylor has closed, Kaufmann's is closing soon, and Saks and The Great Indoors could be next if the local economy goes south.

Polaris is in need of a major fix, and Glimcher could be selling off its other malls to save it.

[csedwards72]

Have the in-line tenants started to leave Polaris Fashion Place?  

Speaking of Columbus malls, what's up with this one that is a competitor to Polaris?  The owners didn't want to do a traditional directory on the website?!

http://www.westlandm.../directory.html

Edited by csedwards72, 05 August 2005 - 06:31 AM.

[NCMike1981]

Oh my god....

[Seabreeze]

lol, that was awesome... i love the fingerprints

[StevenRocks]

csedwards72, on Aug 4 2005, 12:49 PM, said:

Have the in-line tenants started to leave Polaris Fashion Place?

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Not yet, at leas not in round numbers.  But when Kaufmann's closes next year, I think there will be some additional in-line tenant closings.

csedwards72, on Aug 4 2005, 12:49 PM, said:

Speaking of Columbus malls, what's up with this one that is a competitor to Polaris?  The owners didn't want to do a traditional directory on the website?!

http://www.westlandm.../directory.html

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Oh, that directory's horrible  

Westland, the other Eastland, and Northland (now demolished) were owned by the Richard E. Jacobs Group (also original developers of Hanes Mall in Winston-Salem, Randolph Mall in Asheboro, Eastridge Mall in Gastonia, redeveloper of Cary Towne Center and owner of Triangle Town Center in Raleigh).  Jacobs built the Columbus malls in the '60s (practically owning the market for 30 years) and ran them into the ground, with very few upgrades.  

A few years ago, the group sold all of their malls except for a handful to other firms.  Glimcher got the other Eastland.  

Except for Northland, the Columbus malls were in particurally bad shape. Westland was the most down on its luck of the three, so it got sold to some developer who's milking what he can out of the mall, and will probably either let it rot, de-mall it or tear it down eventually.

[csedwards72]

I'm surprised that deadmalls.com hasn't discovered Westland.  I got a real kick out of that directory!  PITIFUL!

BTW, http://columbus.bizjournals.com has some articles about Westland being redeveloped as an outdoor mall.  Looks as if Von Maur is coming to Polaris, based on a news release on the Glimcher website.

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[StevenRocks]

csedwards72, on Aug 5 2005, 02:09 PM, said:

I'm surprised that deadmalls.com hasn't discovered Westland.  I got a real kick out of that directory!  PITIFUL!

BTW, http://columbus.bizjournals.com has some articles about Westland being redeveloped as an outdoor mall.  Looks as if Von Maur is coming to Polaris, based on a news release on the Glimcher website.

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I don't think deadmalls has much from Ohio on their site.  Between Westland, the rapidly fading Columbus City Center and the other Eastland Mall, they'd have a full plate of stories just from the Columbus area.

Brian (webmaster) is really behind on putting in user submissions so even if someone sent him a story, we may not see it for a while.

I have a lot of respect for Von Maur as a company.  They're a lot like Nordstrom: good service, quality merchandise, piano player in the store, et cetera.  They even have an interest-free credit card.

I didn't know if they had any interest in the Columbus market, but it's good that they're coming to Polaris.  Glimcher either sweetened the deal or they really feel like they can make a go of the old Lord & Taylor.  Either way, it's good news.

So now the question becomes what's going to happen to the soon to be former Kaufmann's at Polaris?

The local question becomes why didn't Glimcher aim higher for new stores at Eastland?

[NCMike1981]

I went to Columbus City Center in 2001 and I remember there being all of these great A-line stores like A&F, American Eagle, Structure (I know they no longer exist) and a bunch of other chains. It's so wierd to me to hear that the mall is falling apart. I did find it odd about having to pay to park there though. I guess I'm just too used to free parking at malls.

[DigitalSky]

http://www.westlandm...om/IMG_0081.JPG  
Seriously, they could have at least turned off the flash while taking that!!

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