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#1 StevenRocks

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 12:56 AM

I didn't know anything about this before... Found it in Shopping Centers Today magazine.

P.S.: would you buy a house form a guy named Gerard “Stick” Thibodeaux?   :P

THINKING SMALL
Huge Village at Sandhill project to get country town design
BY MYA FRAZIER

Question: How do you create a small-town environment in a 300-acre mixed-used development? Answer: You figure it out, especially if that’s the only way you can get it though the public approvals process.

That was the challenge facing Kahn Development Co.’s proposal for the massive Village at Sandhill, now under construction in Richland County, a booming suburb of Columbia, S.C.

Locals had become attached, not to mention possessive, about the project’s site: a tract of wilderness. So they were less than thrilled about plans to develop it.

To get approval, Columbia-based Kahn Development had to emphasize Sandhill’s small-town characteristics.

“The vision is for this to be the town center with a small-town feeling where you can walk around,” said T. Cary McSwain, the Richland County administrator. “It’s not just another big-box development. If it had been another big Wal-Mart or Kmart, with acres of asphalt and all big-box buildings, it would have been more hotly opposed and never approved.”

The project may not be just another big-box development, but it is a big development, containing not only $240 million worth of retail space, but also residential and office space.

Three distinct components will make up Village of Sandhill’s retail space. They include The Forum, a 150,000-square-foot power center; The Town Center, a 220,000-square-foot lifestyle center where the developers expect to add a further 400,000-square-feet in two years; and The Marketplace, a 101,000-square-foot, grocery-anchored center providing service tenants. All three will be open this fall.

When all phases are complete, a sidewalk will link the Forum to the lifestyle center. Here shoppers will find two wide boulevards that intersect at the development’s center, on-street parking and the usual lifestyle suspects: Ann Taylor Loft, The Bombay Company, Chico’s, The Children’s Place, Jos. A. Bank Clothiers, Kirkland’s and Talbots, plus a variety of restaurants.

Two retailers — Cost Plus World Market and Rhodes Furniture — opened in the Forum in November. The power center will also contain a Sofa Express as well as a big-box appliance and electronics retailer that has still to be determined.

JCPenney is the first of three department store anchors the developers expect to commit to the site, according to Alan B. Kahn, president of Kahn Development. There’s no word yet on who the other two will be. JCPenney also anchors Columbia Place, a 1.1 million-square-foot super-regional mall about a 20-minute drive from Sandhill and owned by CBL & Associates. Columbia Place, which opened in 1977, will be the development’s largest and nearest competitor. Other anchors there include Dillard’s, Macy’s and Sears.

Kahn says he expects to add more big-box anchors to the Town Center, including a home improvement store, such as Home Depot. “We have a critical mass and a nucleus of the typical lifestyle center leaders you need to get the rest of the lifestyle kind of tenants,” he said.

In the Marketplace section there is a 61,000-square-foot Bi-Lo Supermarket that is set to open this month, plus some 40,000 square feet of service-oriented, neighborhood retailers, including a Hair Cuttery, a tanning salon and a couple of fast-casual restaurants. This section will also include three banks, an investment advisory firm and a home and casualty insurance firm.

Gerard “Stick” Thibodeaux, CLS, Kahn development’s vice president and director of leasing, says the entire development, including office and residential, will probably be completed within five years. He is seeking a joint venture with a regional or national home builder to develop apartments and homes, but says he has no other details except that he believes construction will begin this summer.

A hundred acres of the site are zoned for offices, with an additional 20 or so acres set aside for housing. Construction on this, too, is to start this summer. Thibodeaux says the office market is soft in the area, and his firm will probably develop the office portion on its own. “We are focusing on developing the retail right now,” he said.

Tying all these elements together has been the biggest challenge, says Thibodeaux. While it was important to maintain a pedestrian aesthetic, it was also essential to provide convenient vehicular access around the development.

Tenants and shoppers insist on easy parking in particular, says David Herbert, a partner at Beame Architectural Partnership of Coral Gables, Fla., which designed the development.

“Tenants wanted more convenience parking in front of the store,” he said. “Sure, you want to cater to those who want to stroll and get entertainment, but there’s also the shopper who has less time to buy something and wants to do it quickly and get out.”

Besides, not everyone is into walking.

“Most people are not comfortable with more than a five- or 10-minute walk,” said Thibodeaux. “If a shopper is at Bi-Lo getting groceries, they are not going to walk over to the Home Depot that is 300 yards away. They are going to get in their car and drive there.”

To gain the maximum number of storefront parking spots, Kahn Development nixed the traditional parallel-parking formations found at most lifestyle centers in favor of angled parking. This yielded 4,000 spots for the three retail sections. Furthermore, angled parking makes getting in and out easier. Kahn says he has heard complaints about traffic backing up at other centers because drivers, especially those armed with SUVs, have a hard time parallel parking.

And with the locals finally appeased over losing their wilderness, the last thing Kahn wants to do is get them stirred up again over parking.

 

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 07:13 AM

Wow that is a huge retail development, that makes Greenville's SHops at Greenridge look small.  they are only spending $64,000,000 and will only be 600,000 sf.  I am counting at least 871,000 sf from that article.

Does anyone have any master plan or site plan images they can link or upload for us to see?

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 12:16 PM

2.1 million sf is the end total. about 1 million sf will be for retail space. The Site Plan and alot more info can be see in this thread: The Village at Sandhill

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 12:19 PM

Brad Toy, on Mar 2 2005, 07:13 AM, said:

Wow that is a huge retail development, that makes Greenville's SHops at Greenridge look small.  they are only spending $64,000,000 and will only be 600,000 sf.  I am counting at least 871,000 sf from that article.

Does anyone have any master plan or site plan images they can link or upload for us to see?

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 01:57 PM

The_sandlapper, on Mar 2 2005, 01:19 PM, said:

There is a post on this site that refers to the Village at Sandhill.
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Here is the the link to the Kahn Development site.

http://www.kahndevel...om/sandhill.htm

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 02:48 PM

Why do they want to put a JC Penny as an anchor store? There is already a JC Penny at Columbia Mall which is a 20 minute or less drive. Since this village is being built in a middle to upper class neighborhood, why not put a Neiman Marcus or Bloomingdales as an anchor store.

But then again, who knows, they did say there were going to be four anchor stores so maybe they will put something there that Columbia hasn't seen before.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 03:03 PM

Sandhill is too far out in the burbs for a Neiman Marcus or Bloomingdales. They would be bettersuited for Richland Mall IMO. They would be central to most of the metro there.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 03:25 PM

Spartan, on Mar 2 2005, 05:03 PM, said:

Sandhill is too far out in the burbs for a Neiman Marcus or Bloomingdales. They would be bettersuited for Richland Mall IMO. They would be central to most of the metro there.

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You are so right about them being better suited for Richland Mall. Why didn't the manager there put retail stores in the mall that people have actually heard of. I don't mean to get on another subject, but personally, I think Richland Mall has one more strike before they're out.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 03:26 PM

The_sandlapper, on Mar 2 2005, 12:19 PM, said:

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Oh ya, I remember that post now.  Cool project.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 04:53 PM

HAMMETTM, on Mar 2 2005, 03:48 PM, said:

Why do they want to put a JC Penny as an anchor store? There is already a JC Penny at Columbia Mall which is a 20 minute or less drive. Since this village is being built in a middle to upper class neighborhood, why not put a Neiman Marcus or Bloomingdales as an anchor store.

But then again, who knows, they did say there were going to be four anchor stores so maybe they will put something there that Columbia hasn't seen before.

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Actually, Richland Mall had a Bonwit Teller store in 1989 and 1990. The Bonwit Teller chain was owned by the mall owner (L.J. Hooker) and they insisted on putting the retailer in the mall. Columbia just wasn't ready for such high end product - and I'm not sure that we are today.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 06:49 PM

HAMMETTM, on Mar 2 2005, 04:25 PM, said:

You are so right about them being better suited for Richland Mall. Why didn't the manager there put retail stores in the mall that people have actually heard of. I don't mean to get on another subject, but personally, I think Richland Mall has one more strike before they're out.

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I tend to agree with this. If they strike out, then what will go in its place? That is a busy intersection. Its location is good in terms of traffic, but bad in that it isn't in the suburbs where malls tend to be the most successful. What does everyone else think?

IRR-SC, on Mar 2 2005, 05:53 PM, said:

Actually, Richland Mall had a Bonwit Teller store in 1989 and 1990. The Bonwit Teller chain was owned by the mall owner (L.J. Hooker) and they insisted on putting the retailer in the mall. Columbia just wasn't ready for such high end product - and I'm not sure that we are today.

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This is a good point. Columbia needs a population about like Charlotte is now (1.2million) before it could more easily sustain some of these higher end stores.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 08:27 PM

Spartan, on Mar 2 2005, 07:49 PM, said:

I tend to agree with this. If they strike out, then what will go in its place? That is a busy intersection. Its location is good in terms of traffic, but bad in that it isn't in the suburbs where malls tend to be the most successful. What does everyone else think?

The mall is under contract, and the new owner has some good ideas. He realizes that he can't go head to head with the owners of Columbia Place and Columbiana. Those owners operate multiple malls and have significant clout with the national and regional retailers. The new owner of Richland Mall is committed to "repositioning" the mall to coexist with the other malls.

The anchor tenants were reportedly very happy with the past Christmas season - which is good. Converting a portion of the mall to the Verizon call center was smart, although the 700+ Verizon employees aren't spending their lunch or breaks in the mall.

Hopefully the new owner will pull off the repositioning.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 08:40 PM

Thats because the food court sucks :) Which part is a Verizon call center?

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 08:42 PM

Ok, you can see the map here. What was all that space before? It seems to me that it was a parking deck.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 08:44 PM

Spartan, on Mar 2 2005, 09:40 PM, said:

Thats because the food court sucks :)

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No arguments here...... :)  :)

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 09:54 PM

Spartan, on Mar 2 2005, 01:16 PM, said:

Steven, please note our new policy on article postings for the future, thanks :)

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Sorry, no harm intended.  Posting a link is easier anyway :)

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 10:11 PM

StevenRocks, on Mar 2 2005, 10:54 PM, said:

Sorry, no harm intended.  Posting a link is easier anyway :)

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Its not a problem at all. Post something that would encourage people to read the article. Maybe a clip or the important paragraphs from it. The goal is to have the important info and/or your thoughts about it up front and if people want more background info then they consult the link.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 10:18 PM

Spartan, on Mar 2 2005, 08:42 PM, said:

Ok, you can see the map here. What was all that space before? It seems to me that it was a parking deck.

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The space where the call center is, used to be the best food court (aestetically) that I have ever seen, but there were never more than 4 or 5 restaurants in it. It had a huge window about 200 feet long, with mobiles, a stage and cool artwork. It was a little out of the way of regular foot traffic in the mall, though, so they turned it into a call center and built a much smaller food court. I still like Richland Mall, though.

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 10:20 PM

IRR-SC, on Mar 2 2005, 04:53 PM, said:

Actually, Richland Mall had a Bonwit Teller store in 1989 and 1990. The Bonwit Teller chain was owned by the mall owner (L.J. Hooker) and they insisted on putting the retailer in the mall. Columbia just wasn't ready for such high end product - and I'm not sure that we are today.

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I used to shop at Bonwits and the business there wasn't bad. The chain went bankrupt, however, and the Richland Mall store closed, along with all the rest of their stores.

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 11:59 AM

I noticed that "the village" is putting in a bonefish restaraunt. I don't know how many of you have eaten there but it's excellent! I ate at one in Tampa a couple of years back.

Also is it me or does this place look like it is shaping out just like a "broadway at the beach, or barefoot landing" type of establishment in Myrtle? I have to do a double take and make sure burroughs & chapin aren't behind this project. ;)

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