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#121 varider

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 09:31 PM

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Wick Moorman said he was speaking only for himself when he told Norfolk business leaders that higher-speed passenger rail must come to Hampton Roads by a southern route.

But his opinion could be another catalyst for a project that promises an economic boost and much-needed relief from traffic congestion. Moorman, after all, is CEO of Norfolk Southern Corp., which owns the south side rail lines and would be a crucial partner if the project becomes reality.

Last week, he told members of the Greater Norfolk Corp. that an alternate path down the Peninsula "just doesn't work" because few if any of the million residents of South Hampton Roads will drive to Newport News to catch a train. "It's got to be out of Southside Virginia," he said.

Moorman didn't just offer his opinion on the matter. He signaled in an interview that his company is open to becoming an active partner. "If we think that it makes sense for us financially to take some role in the ongoing operation, we'd be willing to at least consider that," he said. "We certainly are more than willing to be engaged in the dialogue."

Moorman's comments represent a sea change in Norfolk Southern's attitudes. The company historically has had understandable heartburn about trying to coordinate fast-moving passenger trains and slower freight cars. But Moorman and other executives are proud residents of Hampton Roads, and they understand the economic consequences if a network of high- and higher-speed passenger rail along the East Coast bypasses the region.

They also understand their own business model is changing. Moorman told business leaders that cargo traffic has dropped by about 45 percent for automobiles, 40 percent for steel and 25 percent for coal compared to last year's figures. Although Moorman sees signs of improvement, he believes recovery will be slow. While the recession has been painful, it's also encouraged Moorman and his colleagues to consider new opportunities, including passenger rail.

Moorman said 16 states have contacted his company eager to engage Norfolk Southern in passenger rail projects. He's met with officials in Virginia, and his expertise is already helping to level barriers impeding the project.

For example, he said in an interview that the state's $475 million price tag for a southern route exceeds his company's own estimates for necessary upgrades. Norfolk Southern boasts a rail network perfectly capable of handling passenger trains with additional side tracks for passing and improved road crossings.

The primary reason the South Hampton Roads spur appears to be more expensive than the Peninsula route, estimated at $330 million, is that state officials have included the cost for a section of rail that has to be built anyway.

Plans are under way to extend high-speed rail from Washington, D.C., to Richmond, continuing on to Petersburg, Raleigh, N.C., and Charlotte, N.C. That project will go forward no matter where or whether an eastbound spur is added to Hampton Roads. Indeed, the upgrades for Richmond-to-Petersburg are included in a separate assessment for improvements between Richmond and Raleigh.

Those costs - the ones that make a south side route more expensive - are being double-counted by Richmond, to the detriment of Norfolk, Portsmouth, Virginia Beach, Chesapeake and Suffolk.

While Moorman is willing to work with Virginia on passenger rail, issues of capacity, liability and financing must be resolved. "The trick is the money," he said.

President Barack Obama has earmarked billions of dollars to construct rail projects in the stimulus package and in his budget, but the state must be willing to invest in the long-term operation of passenger service.

Norfolk Southern is the partner Virginia needs to bring passenger rail to the state's second-largest population center. The question now is whether Virginia can convince Moorman that the state will be a trustworthy partner in the endeavor.


 

#122 orulz

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 11:24 AM

Looks like the general Virginia forum doesn't get much action, so I'll post this here and in the Hampton Roads thread.

The EIS for the Hampton Roads high speed rail is published online.

They refrain from picking a specific route. The plan with the highest ridership is, predictably, the one with 110mph service to Norfolk and (improved) conventional service to NPN. However, simply upgrading the service to NPN without building anything to Norfolk is highlighted as the most cost effective.

Even the most expensive option is listed at only $844 million - which includes a 110mph line to Norfolk and improvements to the 79mph line to NPN. That price seems unbelievably low to me. If it's accurate, then it's a bargain - and will stand an excellent chance of getting funded. This is as compared to the SEHSR route from Richmond to Raleigh which is estimated at $3.7 billion.

Since both are 110mph lines, then why the big difference?
Well, let's look at the differences between the two lines:

HR HSR:
  • 90 or 110mph planned speed
  • Uses an existing active freight line
  • Is a spur line
  • Fewer hills and fewer curves
  • Retains 1/3 to 1/2 of the grade crossings

SEHSR (Raleigh)
  • 110mph initial speed; faster speeds possible in the future (with regulatory changes, new rolling stock, electrifaction)
  • Will be acquiring an abandoned freight line from CSX and restoring/upgrading it as a dedicated passenger line
  • Will serve as a trunk for the SEHSR line to Atlanta, Florida, and beyond
  • More hills and curves to contend with
  • Fully grade-separated (this is one of the most expensive parts of the project)

In NC, Norfolk Southern RR has said that they will not allow trains to move faster than 90mph on shared tracks, but they will allow separate dedicated tracks for higher speeds to be built within their right-of-way. If 110mph service is selected, no doubt Virginia will have to deal with the same requirement.

#123 ronsmytheiii

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Posted 13 December 2009 - 10:21 PM

Beautiful article from the Dailypress really expresses the true situation:

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When it comes to transportation, it can't be a case of "us" versus "them." It has to be "all of us" if any of us in Hampton Roads is to do well.

But that face-off mentality is encouraged by the region's geography, with the harbor and rivers separating the Peninsula from the cities — Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Portsmouth, Suffolk and Chesapeake — of South Hampton Roads.

There's a tendency to draw lines, and recent developments threaten to pit those who like to do that against each other. The latest arrived in the form of an announcement by the Virginia Department of Rail and Public Transportation that the most cost-effective way to improve passenger rail service, and connect Hampton Roads with Richmond, Washington and points north, is by upgrading service that runs down the Peninsula, not by focusing on a high-speed line to Norfolk.

The agency didn't recommend among the options, but it seems to have skipped the part where cost calculations are checked against common sense. Because it would point this way: While rail service to the Peninsula would be retained, the focus for high-cost, high-speed upgrades should be on the southern and western part of Hampton Roads, where two-thirds of the residents and most of the economic powerhouses are found.


http://www.dailypres...0,2145682.story

#124 vdogg

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 04:27 PM

I encourage everyone to take time to fill out this form with regards to the Richmond/HR highspeed rail line. Comments are due by February 11, 2010. HR residents, it is imperative that we voice how much HSR is needed for Hampton Roads, southside in particular. I plan to post this link in all relevant HR forums, but please confine your comments to the transportation thread.

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 01:42 PM

Virginia High Speed Rail

I'll begin by saying the proposals out currently for Virginia are not high speed rail. A train traveling at 110mph I repeat is not high speed! Maybe back in the 1950's it would have been considered as high speed!?

Today state officials are trying to start a line from DC to Hampton Roads. Instead of using 1940's technology for these trains they should be investing into Japans new maglev technology which is scheduled to go into service in the year 2025. These trains will have service from Nagoya to Tokyo (225 miles away) in 40 mins!

In America we have depended way too much on cars. This was also hindered by the car companies buying up rail lines in the country and letting fail into disrepair. This was a sad time in are history and we are still recovering from that period 50-60 years ago! Today we have been lapped so much in rail technology by other countries that we have to the US Transportation Secretary riding bullet trains in different countries looking to see who to award a contract too for high speed rail in the United States. Why?!?!

Virginia has a opportunity to be in the forefront of high speed rail. Instead of waiting for the federal government to help pay for a rail line officials should be clamering to be the first ones online with high speed rail.  Not only will this get us noticed nationally but also across the world. Imagine traveling from DC to Hampton Roads in 45 minutes. DC to Richmond in 25 mins. From the time it takes to cross the HRBT(Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel) doing rush hour you could be in DC lounging in Georgetown. With Japans new maglev train technology this is a possibility. Also instead of having the government run the bullet train we could use Japans method and have private companies operate the lines. Virginia should be looking for investors national and international and sell us as a great place for high speed rail to be. This could be done under the same law that was enacted back in 1997 that opened up the door to public/private transporation projects.(example is Route 895 which is run by Transurban of Australia).(the Route 895 project was done 25 years in advance of projections with the private partnership).

Virginia has been ranked #1 as the best state for business the past four years by multiple magazines! Virginia has a low corporate tax base, great quality of life , one of the best school sytems in the country, and located smack dab in the middle of the east coast. This will all be improved with high speed rail. National and international companies will be clawing their way to come Virginia.

The time is now! Or tomorrow we will left in the dust and lapped 100 times over!
Hopefully it will become a part of daily life of every Virginian!

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Rather, it's part of the fabric of daily life, something not so much taken for granted as relied upon. The sleek trains - better known outside Japan as bullet trains - shoot through much of the nation almost unnoticed every few minutes, efficiently hauling more than 300 million riders per year.The world's first high-speed rail line, the Shinkansen opened in 1964, just in time for the Tokyo Olympics, with a single line between Tokyo and Osaka. It was like nothing the world had seen, with dedicated tracks and a train that ran at speeds of 130 mph.


Japan's rail culture
Today, the Shinkansen, which means "new trunk line" in Japanese, covers about 1,400 miles on five lines. Another 400 miles of extensions are under construction and 300 miles are planned. Three private rail companies run the trains at speeds up to 186 mph on tracks built and maintained by the national government.

Japan's high-speed trains run with an efficiency, frequency and reliability unimaginable to those familiar with Amtrak or U.S. commuter railroads. The sleek trains with the distinctive long noses depart as often as 14 times an hour - and they're almost always on time. Over the past 45 years, the average delay is less than one minute - and that includes stoppages because of floods, earthquakes, accidents and natural disasters. Rail officials also note their safety record: There's never been a passenger fatality on the Shinkansen.


Chinese Bullet Train
http://money.cnn.com..._train.fortune/
US Transportation Secretary travels to Japan
http://news.yahoo.co...etransporttrain

http://www.guardian....peed-rail-japan
High Speed Rail Lines in other countries
http://www.guardian....sport-transport
San Francisco Chronicle Article about high speed rail in California
http://articles.sfga...-rail-exclusive
Virginia High Speed Rail
http://vhsr.com/

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 02:52 PM

Oh their were so many naysayers about Amtrak expanding service to Lynchburg.Posted Image But they were so wrong when Amtrak announced yesterday the route has surpassed expectations by reaching its projected ridership in 6 months instead of 1 year!Posted Image Posted Image This also bodes well for expansion into Roanoke and Norfolk!!!

http://www2.newsadva...x_months/27166/

http://voices.washin...xceeds_tar.html

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 12:57 AM

Heres a more in depth story of rail service from Lynchburg to the Northeast and how well its doing!
http://www.roanoke.c...casey/wb/252647

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 03:18 PM

View Postcalwinston, on 06 July 2010 - 12:57 AM, said:

Heres a more in depth story of rail service from Lynchburg to the Northeast and how well its doing!
http://www.roanoke.c...casey/wb/252647
'With air fares sky high and driving no bargain, rail rate is good'
http://www.roanoke.c...anoke/wb/252649

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 01:10 PM

At a cost of $77 million VRE adding 19 locomotives to its existing fleet for future expansion

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Virginia Railway Express added the first of 19 new locomotives to its fleet Monday -- a move designed to improve the efficiency of the system and pave the way for future expansions, VRE officials said.
"In the middle of the worst economy we've seen, we were able to budget for new locomotives," said Paul Milde, chairman of the VRE operations board. "I am confident that when these new locomotives are all put into service that VRE will be better positioned to ease congestion, decrease pollution and improve the quality of life for our riders and the region."
VRE officials said the new units will allow for adding capacity in the future, as they can carry up to 10 cars instead of six. VRE is the 10th-largest commuter rail system in the nation, with average daily ridership of more than 17,000.
http://www.washingto...0080306678.html

Edited by calwinston, 05 August 2010 - 01:13 PM.


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Posted 04 January 2011 - 10:48 PM

A good overview of the Heartland Corridor Project from Norfolk Southern that was recently completed:



And another for the Crescent Corridor, I hope they can get all of those trucks off the road, I-81 has been a war zone lately:


Edited by ronsmytheiii, 04 January 2011 - 10:52 PM.


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Posted 04 January 2011 - 11:00 PM

Lastly and in great news, NS will be reinstating their Steam program!

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“21st Century Steam” would  highlight milestones in rail history and  provide an opportunity for audiences  to learn about today’s safe and  service-oriented freight railroads. The program would feature three  venerable  coal-powered steam locomotives:
  • Southern Railway 4501: Built in 1911 by Baldwin Locomotive Works,   4501 served Southern Railway in freight service in Tennessee,  Virginia,  Kentucky, and Indiana, before being sold to a short line  railroad. No. 4501 was retired from revenue service in  1963 and enjoyed  a second career in the excursion program operated by Southern  Railway  and Norfolk Southern from 1966 until 1994. This Ms (Mikado superheated)  Class locomotive  has 63-inch driving wheels.
  • Southern Railway 630: Built in 1904 at the Richmond, Va., works  of American  Locomotive Company, this Consolidation-type locomotive has  traveled throughout  the Southeast, often in the company of 4501 and  sister locomotive 722. An extensive six-year rehabilitation to  Federal  Railroad Administration standards is being completed at TVRM’s Soule   Shops complex in Chattanooga.
  • Tennessee Valley Railroad 610: Built in 1952 by  Baldwin-Lima-Hamilton for the  U.S. Army, 610 has been the mainstay of  TVRM steam operations since 1990. It also appeared on several Norfolk  Southern  steam excursions from 1990 to 1993. No.  610, also a  Consolidation type, was one of the last steam locomotives built in  the  U.S.
http://www.nscorp.co...ails-again.html

Great news, but we really need to see N&W 611 and N&W 1218 back on the tracks!

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