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[wrldcoupe4]

urbanfan, on Apr 19 2005, 03:20 PM, said:

I have to retract a statement I made.  Richmond does have a higher per capita then we do.  I went to the official U.S. Census online and took the median income statistics and per capita statistics and then took population statistics.  For each City or County in the metro areas I took their metro's population and divided it by each city/county population and got thier percentage.  Than by taking their percentage of the population you can multiply that by the median income and per capita, then add them all together, and you get the average median income and per capita for each region.

Here are the facts:

RichmonD:
Median Income = 45,982
Per Capita = 22,195

Hampton Roads:
Medain Income = 45,385
Per Capita = 21,951

So yes I did give a false fact but I hardly think that a few hundred dollars short really constitutes that much of a difference in any area.. Remember, Richmond is the one with all the big headquarters and supposedely high paying jobs.  If that's the truth, then we aren't doing to bad without the "big paying jobs"  imagine what a few could do for this region.

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Richmond-Petersburg, VA (MSA)-$32,268
Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, VA (MSA)- $27,452
Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis

Check Chesterfield or Henrico's per capita or per household income. They are substantially higher than Richmond

[urbanfan]

wrldcoupe4, on Apr 19 2005, 03:38 PM, said:

Richmond-Petersburg, VA (MSA)-$32,268
Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, VA (MSA)- $27,452
Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis

Check Chesterfield or Henrico's per capita or per household income. They are substantially higher than Richmond

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As many counties and cities I could think of I used for each MSA.  I have listed the facts below.  

Also I will provide a link to the census.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/


Here are the facts according to the official U.S. Census Beaurea.  Which are pretty accurate.  However the last census was 2000 so keep that in mind.  

Henrico County
pop. 271, 083
median income = 49, 185
per capita = 26,410

Hopewell
pop. 22,391
median income = 33,196
per capita = 16,339

Petersburg
pop. 33,091
median income = 28,851
per capita = 15,989

Richmond
pop. 197,790
median income = 31,121
per capita = 20,337

Chesterfield County
pop. 276,840
median income = 54,537
per capita = 25,286

Hanover County
pop. 94,081
median income = 59,223
per capita = 25,120

Richmond metro (unless I missed some counties, Don't know if you consider some of the peninsula counties part of msa) 895,276 (I might be leaving some counties out but the major population is about right.  I don't know where the 1.2 million comes from maybe you can tell me of a county or city that I missed.

Cheseake
pop. 199,184
median income = 50, 743
per capita = 21,949

Hampton
Pop. 146,437
median income = 39,532
per capita = 19,774

Newport News
Pop. 180,150
median income = 37,597
per capita = 17,843

Norfolk
Pop. 234,403
median income = 31,815
per capita = 17,372

Portsmouth
pop. 100,565
median income = 33,742
per capita = 16,507

Suffolk
pop. 63,677
median income = 41,115
per capita = 18,836

Virginia Beach
pop. 425,257
median income = 48,705
per capita = 22,365

Poquoson
pop. 11,844
median income = 60,920
per capita = 25,336

James City County
Pop. 53,487
median income = 55,594
per capita = 29,256

Williamsburg
pop. 11,605
median income = 37,093
per capita = 18,483

Isle of Wight
pop. 31,925
median income = 45,387
per capita = 20,235

Gloucester County
pop. 36,698
median income = 45,521
per capita = 19,990

Hampton Roads Metro = 1,495,232  (also missing a few counties to keep from being too laborious)

These are the facts according to the U.S. Census of 2000.  If you really want me to I can crunch all of the numbers out for you.  I don't know where you got those numbers but check that we are on the same page as far as per capita and median income.  And if all else fails I would go with the census being a little more accurate.  That's what the government uses to get all of its facts.

Edited by urbanfan, 19 April 2005 - 02:21 PM.

[rusthebuss]

They said the median income for this area was 45,000 or so when they were comparing this area with New Orleans when the battle for the Hornets were on.

[wrldcoupe4]

The Richmond metro is over 1 million... You can find out what each MSA consists of on the census website also. several counties were left out of you analysis...powhatan, amelia, new kent, caroline, etc...I can send you a link to it later.

[wrldcoupe4]

Okay found it. Here is the link. It is from the Census website as well. The population numbers are from the Census 2003 estimates.

METROPOLITAN AND MICROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREAS AND COMPONENTS, November 2004, WITH CODES

(Metropolitan and micropolitan statistical areas, and metropolitan divisions defined by the Office of Management and
Budget, November 2004)

Source: Population Division, U.S. Census Bureau
Internet Release Date:  March 2005


The Richmond MSA consists of the following:
Amelia County- 11,742
Caroline County- 23,190
Charles City County- 7,118
Chesterfield County- 276,840
Cumberland County- 9,189
Dinwiddie County- 24,853
Goochland County- 18,138
Hanover County- 94,081
Henrico County- 271,083
King and Queen County- 6,588
King William County- 14,131
Louisa County- 28,031
New Kent County- 14,843
Powhatan County- 24,649
Prince George County- 34,305
Sussex County- 11,956
Colonial Heights City- 17,286
Hopewell City- 22,391
Petersburg City- 33,091
Richmond City- 194,729

Richmond MSA Total: 1,137,964

The Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News MSA consists of the following:
Currituck County, NC-20,834
Gloucester County- 36,698
Isle of Wight County- 31,925
James City County- 53,487
Mathews County- 9,216
Surry County- 7,009
York County- 60,948
Chesapeake city- 199,184
Hampton city- 146,437
Newport News city- 180,150
Norfolk city- 234,403
Poquoson city- 11,844
Portsmouth city- 100,565
Suffolk city- 63,677
Virginia Beach city- 425,257
Williamsburg city- 11,605

Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News MSA Total: 1,593,239

[urbanfan]

wrldcoupe4, on Apr 19 2005, 09:44 PM, said:

The Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News MSA consists of the following:
Currituck County, NC-20,834
Gloucester County- 36,698
Isle of Wight County- 31,925
James City County- 53,487
Mathews County- 9,216
Surry County- 7,009
York County- 60,948
Chesapeake city- 199,184
Hampton city- 146,437
Newport News city- 180,150
Norfolk city- 234,403
Poquoson city- 11,844
Portsmouth city- 100,565
Suffolk city- 63,677
Virginia Beach city- 425,257
Williamsburg city- 11,605

Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News MSA Total: 1,593,239

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You had everything right until you got to the hampton roads cities, you used the 2000 pop. estimates.  To get the 2003 estimates you have to use the county pulldown menu to the left and scroll all the way to the bottom until you get to the cities.  With that said I'll post the correct numbers.

Chesapeake = 210,834
Hampton = 146,878
Newport News = 181,647
Norfolk = 241,727
Poquoson = 11,844
Portsmouth = 99,617
Suffolk = 73,515
Virginia Beach = 439,467
Williamsburg = 11,605
Currituck County = 20,834
Gloucester County = 36,698
Isle of Wight County = 31,925
James City County = 53,487
Mathews County = 9,216
York County = 60,948
Surry County = 7,009

Total = 1,637,251

Also I believe your math is a little off your Richmond total should be 1,138,234

Edited by urbanfan, 20 April 2005 - 09:13 AM.

[wrldcoupe4]

lol

[lammius]

In the 2003 Census additions HR didn't acquire any more NC counties?  And didn't the name of the MSA change from Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, VA-NC to Virginia Beach, VA-NC?

[rusthebuss]

It should include Elizabeth City because I knew alot of people who drove from there everyday to Norfolk to work

[urbanfan]

lammius, on Apr 20 2005, 12:27 PM, said:

In the 2003 Census additions HR didn't acquire any more NC counties?  And didn't the name of the MSA change from Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, VA-NC to Virginia Beach, VA-NC?

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There is not a 2003 Census just population estimates based on  previous growth.  More than likely these numbers are pretty safe.  I would bet that Hampton Roads is closer to 1.7 mill. and Richmond closer to 1.2 million.  I'll base that on the phenomenal growth here on the peninsula.  Not to mention all of the growth going on in Downtown norfolk and Virginia Beach.  And of course Chesapeake and Suffolk are hitting serious growth spurts.  And as far as Metropolitan names are concerned, as of 2004 the metro area is still defined as Norfolk-virginia beach-newport news, va-nc.  Only the counties and cities defined are part of the statistical area.  Who knows what the future holds.  I know alot of people at the NN Shipyard that are commuting in busses from gates county and others down in north carolina so in the future I expect to see a couple of North Carolina counties added.  However I don't think you would ever see the name change because of the fact that there is not one dominant city that people commute to.  We all cross commute to different cities in the region.

[wrldcoupe4]

urbanfan, on Apr 20 2005, 11:08 AM, said:

You had everything right until you got to the hampton roads cities, you used the 2000 pop. estimates. 

Also I believe your math is a little off your Richmond total should be 1,138,234

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Hey man can you check my math homework for me before I turn it in just to make sure everything is correct    j/k...After spending forever doing all that sh*t I got lazy and decided touse the city pulldown for the info. I didnt realize they would have not included on the city pulldown, yet included it on the county pull down that included cities (hopefully that made sense).

One thing I will point out is that the 2003 census estimate for the city would be inaccurate, as the city is definitely not losing that many residents. That was from previous population trends which don't hold into account the recent shifts in the local market.

[okinawatyphoon]

Chesapeake is sure getting up there with the big boys!! 210,000 already....wow!
And I'm also glad to see Norfolk is finally starting to grow at a fair pace also!  

Edited by okinawatyphoon, 21 April 2005 - 04:38 AM.

[JPN0731]

okinawatyphoon, on Apr 21 2005, 05:37 AM, said:

Chesapeake is sure getting up there with the big boys!! 210,000 already....wow!
And I'm also glad to see Norfolk is finally starting to grow at a fair pace also! 

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ChesaBLEAK?  Blah humbug!

[rusthebuss]

Something about Chesapeake bothers me too. My wife was trying to get me to move there and i refuse to move there. Can't figure out why but i just won't move to there.

Edited by rusthebuss, 21 April 2005 - 04:17 PM.

[okinawatyphoon]

rusthebuss, on Apr 22 2005, 07:17 AM, said:

Something about Chesapeake bothers me too. My wife was trying to get me to move there and i refuse to move there. Can't figure out why but i just won't move to there.

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I lived in Chesapeake for 8 years and the only thing I didn't like was the rapid housing development. I lived by 100's of acres of corn and wheat, and suddenly houses are being built on them. Quite sad...

[JPN0731]

The thing about Chesapeake is that it brings nothing new to the table.  No beach, no downtown, etc.  It's just a big boring suburb for people who want a "bigger yard" than they can get in VA Beach (I have heard this a lot).  

They do have the Dismal Swamp and the southern part is pretty, I'll admit.  It's just that the totally boring sea of development in the northern and western parts make it so blah.  Plus all the bridges that are always clogged with traffic.  I would not live there if you paid me.  Well maybe I would lol, but only if it was free.

[wrldcoupe4]

Some good news for ole' Virginnie: Unemployment numbers are lower yet again in March. Increases were found in only one place and remained unchanged in one other.

"Virginia's jobless rate falls to 3.4%
Construction, tourism among sectors that added jobs in March

BY JOHN REID BLACKWELL
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER

Apr 28, 2005

Virginia's unemployment rate dropped by 0.2 percentage points to 3.4 percent in March as the tourism industry and the professional and business services and construction sectors had strong hiring.

The jobless rate was down from 3.6 percent in February and 3.9 percent in March 2004, the Virginia Employment Commission reported yesterday.

"Most of the change seemed to be seasonal," said Bill Mezger, the VEC's chief economist. "We had a pickup in the start of the tourist season." Leisure and hospitality businesses added 5,800 jobs in March to reach an employment of 306,600, the VEC said.

The professional and business services sector continued its strong performance by adding 6,000 jobs for a total of 589,900 workers. "Those are the kind of jobs that a lot of the new college graduates are applying for," Mezger said.

The construction industry added 4,500 jobs for a total of 232,800 workers, even though the weather in March wasn't ideal for that sector.

Employment also rose in trade and transportation, government, private education and health care, finance, manufacturing and information....

....The Richmond area followed the state trend with unemployment dropping to 3.6 percent in March from 3.8 percent in February and 4 percent one year ago. The region also had gains in tourism, construction and professional and business services.

The unemployment rate dropped in eight of the state's 10 metropolitan areas in March. It rose in one metro area and was unchanged in one -- Harrisonburg. Loudoun County had the lowest unemployment rate among cities and counties, at 2 percent. Martinsville city had the highest rate at 10.6 percent."

the whole article...

[okinawatyphoon]

Area’s jobless rate fell slightly in March

Buoyed by strong hiring in the construction industry around the region, Hampton Roads’ jobless rate fell slightly in March compared to a year earlier.

Analysts said the early spring weather did not hinder the regional building business as it did in other parts of the state, which were cooler and wetter.

“Hampton Roads really didn’t see any problems of any consequence at all,” said Bill Mezger, an economist with the Virginia Employment Commission. “There were pretty much seasonal patterns there.”

Last month’s 3.9 percent local unemployment rate was down from 4.1 percent in March 2004. It also remains well below the national average of 5.4 percent.....
Resto Story

[lammius]

urbanfan, on Apr 20 2005, 11:12 AM, said:

There is not a 2003 Census just population estimates based on  previous growth.  More than likely these numbers are pretty safe.  I would bet that Hampton Roads is closer to 1.7 mill. and Richmond closer to 1.2 million.  I'll base that on the phenomenal growth here on the peninsula.  Not to mention all of the growth going on in Downtown norfolk and Virginia Beach.  And of course Chesapeake and Suffolk are hitting serious growth spurts.  And as far as Metropolitan names are concerned, as of 2004 the metro area is still defined as Norfolk-virginia beach-newport news, va-nc.  Only the counties and cities defined are part of the statistical area.  Who knows what the future holds.  I know alot of people at the NN Shipyard that are commuting in busses from gates county and others down in north carolina so in the future I expect to see a couple of North Carolina counties added.  However I don't think you would ever see the name change because of the fact that there is not one dominant city that people commute to.  We all cross commute to different cities in the region.

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Urbanfan, On the -3 years the Census redraws and renames MSAs.  The census counts happen on the -0 years but the -3 years is when changes are made based on the data.  I know HR gained Surry County in 2003, but I thought there were other additions as well.  I noticed Richmond gained Sussex County.  Here's the latest Census definition from 2003 Census Metro/Micro Definitions  

A note, though.  While the lines were redrawn in 2003 it's curious why another definition was released last year.  Maybe they redraw throughout the inter-census period?

47260                   Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC Metropolitan Statistical Area
47260           37053         Currituck County, NC
47260           51073         Gloucester County, VA
47260           51093         Isle of Wight County, VA
47260           51095         James City County, VA
47260           51115         Mathews County, VA
47260           51181         Surry County, VA
47260           51199         York County, VA
47260           51550         Chesapeake city, VA
47260           51650         Hampton city, VA
47260           51700         Newport News city, VA
47260           51710         Norfolk city, VA
47260           51735         Poquoson city, VA
47260           51740         Portsmouth city, VA
47260           51800         Suffolk city, VA
47260           51810         Virginia Beach city, VA
47260           51830         Williamsburg city, VA

Edited by lammius, 28 April 2005 - 12:47 PM.

[JRQ]

Places like Martinsville, Danville, etc bring the unemployment rate up...martinsville has been around 14.0% for years.