[eltron]

[Recchia]

Where would something like this normally go? It seems like a good location for it since it has rail and highway access. And why would it be detrimental to development downtown, is it that much of a LULU? I'm not saying I'm in favor of it or anything, but I need to see more pros and cons.

[eltron]

A. This is the alternate location for the train station. In many ways, it might be the preferred location.

B. It doesn't have easy highway access. Most of the truck traffic would be traveling on the already screwed up downtown streets.

C. Its directly adjacent to both a residential neighborhood and the area where several of the redevelopment proposals are. Its like saying it would be a good fit at Station Park or Capitol Cove because it has easy rail and highway access, or ALCO. This is a BIG operation.

It probably belongs at Quonset, or Johnston near the existing central landfill.

[Recchia]

Ahh okay. I looked it up on a map after and realized this is the option 2 spot for the commuter rail station.

Quonset would be a good place for it given its so isolated and it now has excellent rail and highway access, but NK residents would NEVER EVER let it be built. Wayy to much NIMBYism and elitism in that neck of the woods....

[Cotuit]

Recchia, on Jul 31 2006, 06:09 PM, said:

but NK residents would NEVER EVER let it be built. Wayy to much NIMBYism and elitism in that neck of the woods...

I know this is crazy and would never happen, but couldn't the state make Quonset its own town, or state administered district (like the District of Columbia)? The cities and towns exist only with the blessing of the state, the state could dissolve them all. There's probably something in the Constitution about he residents needing to approve of a division, but if we can give sweetheart deals to the Harragansetts within the Constitution, we can really do anything we want with it right?

[Lone Ranger]

Cotuit, on Jul 31 2006, 11:02 PM, said:

I know this is crazy and would never happen, but couldn't the state make Quonset its own town, or state administered district (like the District of Columbia)? The cities and towns exist only with the blessing of the state, the state could dissolve them all. There's probably something in the Constitution about he residents needing to approve of a division, but if we can give sweetheart deals to the Harragansetts within the Constitution, we can really do anything we want with it right?

Thinking outside the box.

Quonset would be perfect for this. Um, speaking of NIMBYism, I assume Pawtucket residents would also be up-in-arms about a noisy, dirty, ugly, traffic-plaguing, obtrusive proposal like this in the heart of their city, lessening their property values, would they not?

[Recchia]

Lone Ranger, on Aug 1 2006, 11:01 PM, said:

Thinking outside the box.

Quonset would be perfect for this. Um, speaking of NIMBYism, I assume Pawtucket residents would also be up-in-arms about a noisy, dirty, ugly, traffic-plaguing, obtrusive proposal like this in the heart of their city, lessening their property values, would they not?

Yeah, and technically they'd be NIMBY's as well. The difference is, a location at Quonset would have far less impacts on any residential neighborhood than it would going where they want it in Pawtucket. In Quonset it could be isolated away from residences yet still have excellent sea, rail and highway access. In Pawtucket it'd be right up against an already struggling downtown and a dense residential area. I can see the claims of environmental racism already if it were to built in the Bucket, and am not disagreeing with them.

[Lone Ranger]

Recchia, on Aug 2 2006, 10:38 AM, said:

Yeah, and technically they'd be NIMBY's as well. The difference is, a location at Quonset would have far less impacts on any residential neighborhood than it would going where they want it in Pawtucket. In Quonset it could be isolated away from residences yet still have excellent sea, rail and highway access. In Pawtucket it'd be right up against an already struggling downtown and a dense residential area. I can see the claims of environmental racism already if it were to built in the Bucket, and am not disagreeing with them.

Exactly. They'd both be NIMBY's, except with the key difference that Pawtucket's residents (IMHO) would have a legitimate beef with a project like this, whereas NK's residents wouldn't. But my point is, if NK residents can kill a project like this in their town, can't Pawtucket's residents do the same? They can certainly put up a fight.

[JimmyGreaves]

Not sure if this is related......
Debris recycling facility scrapped

[Dan]

I used to live on Beech St and truly feel like this neighborhood, thought blighted, has a chance... it sounds like the special interests from the Mass side of the MBTA comm rail partnership are hard at work trying to keep this undesirable operation in RI when 3/4 of the stuff is coming from the Commonwealth.

Not in my bucket! I'm opposed.

[frymasterspeck]

PADS Meeting Tonight
Major Topic: Proposed Dump, errrrr, Transfer Station
6:30 Social, 7 pm meeting
Mixed Magic Theater, in the Visitors Center

[ellenmr]

We are experiencing a similar situation in Lockport, IL. Although, this will be a transmodal for plastic, steel & lumber - to start! The Mayor & property owner is totally in favor of this. Neither is concerned for our historic downtown area, the pollution, noise, increase truck traffic, endangered species & wetland areas etc. What was the outcome of your situation? We need all the information possible in order to defeat this & the developer will be back 10/17 to present a new plan to the city. please email directly to carelockport@usa.com or be14400@bigfoot.com - Thanks

[BigUglyCat]

JimmyGreaves, on Aug 16 2006, 12:58 PM, said:

Not sure if this is related......
Debris recycling facility scrapped

Jimmy, that's not it. I know where they mean. I used to bicycle around there in the '60's. I'm in agreement with several above posts. This is absolutely insane. The incinerator that used to be five minutes from my house near the Smithfield Ave. bridge over the railroad tracks, which at some point moved to Grotto Ave not far from Nathanael Greene Grammar School, was bad enough. It's not my back yard anymore, but I hope this goes the way of all ridiculous ideas.

[Frankie811]

In what has been a long and contentious battle, the city recently won a favorable ruling from a federal court judge in a lawsuit that was brought by the owners of company who want to create a trash transfer station on railroad property located off Pine Street near downtown.

[BigUglyCat]

Frankie811, on Apr 9 2008, 07:58 AM, said:

In what has been a long and contentious battle, the city recently won a favorable ruling from a federal court judge in a lawsuit that was brought by the owners of company who want to create a trash transfer station on railroad property located off Pine Street near downtown.

If any of you are still confused, the site is west of the intersection of Goff Avenue and Pine Street, bounded on the northwest by railroad tracks. I wanted to give you a Google map, but I'm still a feeb at that sort of thing.

[mental757]

PBN: "Judge dismisses Pawtucket Transfer claims against city"

http://www.pbn.com/stories/30657.html

[BigUglyCat]

mental757, on Apr 10 2008, 09:50 AM, said:

PBN: "Judge dismisses Pawtucket Transfer claims against city"

http://www.pbn.com/stories/30657.html

From that Providence Business News article: "...a downtown site also under consideration as a commuter-rail stop."

How do you folks feel about that other possibility?

[frymasterspeck]

BigUglyCat, on Apr 11 2008, 03:56 PM, said:

From that Providence Business News article: "...a downtown site also under consideration as a commuter-rail stop."

How do you folks feel about that other possibility?

Has it been so long that my cookie timed out? I just had to log in. BY HAND!

I'll say it now and you can all jump up and down on my worthless carcass: I like this site better than the Broad St site.

1 - Closer to the concentrated populations in the converted mills. That Slater Cotton one is BIG. Plus Hope Webbing and Bailey. Probably a wash from Riverfront.

2 - Closer to downtown. (Yes, it's possible that people will get OFF the train, too.)

3 - Easier highway access does not require going through the Goff/Exchange/Broad silliness.

4 - Easier to site multi-level parking

5 - Easier to site additional track to satisfy Amtrak

6 - Closer to my house.

Mostly, it's that last one.

This post has been edited by frymasterspeck: 17 April 2008 - 10:50 AM