[BrandonTO416]

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Donor offers to buy CSX line for rail, trail use
By Tom Bailey Jr.
The Commercial Appeal
May 20, 2004

An anonymous donor is offering to buy an old Midtown-to-Cordova railroad line and give it to the city for light rail and possibly a trail for bikers and walkers.

Pete Aviotti, special assistant to the mayor, announced the development Wednesday at the Regional Rail Steering Committee.

The steering committee adopted a resolution to accept the donation. Key approval of a Midtown-to-Cordova light rail line would have to come from the City Council and Federal Transit Administration.

"The donor has said if light rail is not used (on the line) in the next 25-30 years, then he'd like for the city to make it a bike and hiking trail," Aviotti said.

The donor contacted Memphis City Councilman Jack Sammons, who told Aviotti on Monday. Sammons, Aviotti said, "is the only person who knows the anonymous donor."

Sammons could not be reached Wednesday.

The local line of CSX Transportation runs 13.3 miles from near the Union-Poplar viaduct, across East Memphis, under the I-240/40 east interchange, atop the north edge of Shelby Farms and through Cordova before ending at Macon and Lenow.

It's a clear, 100-foot-wide path along one of the city's most congested transportation corridors.

The right-of-way connects neighborhoods like Binghamton, Highland Heights, East Memphis and old Cordova, the 4,500-acres of Shelby Farms parkland, and retail centers along bustling Germantown Parkway.

CSX won federal approval last year to discontinue service on the line.

The railroad has received several inquiries in recent days, including one from Shelby County government, spokesman Meg Scheu said Wednesday.

The railroad declined to give a ballpark estimate of the price tag.

"We have to pay for appraisals," Scheu said. "They aren't made until a level of understanding has come between us and someone offering to buy the property."

MATA has 7 miles of existing light rail, including the new, 2-mile Madison Line between downtown and Cleveland. The transit authority plans within the next eight years to extend light rail 9 miles between the Medical Center and Memphis International Airport.

MATA's long-range plans include building lines south toward DeSoto County, southeast toward Germantown and Collierville, and north toward Millington.

The CSX corridor is not part of MATA's light-rail plan. But that could change, said Tom Fox, MATA's director of planning and capital projects.

Seven years have passed since MATA created its long-range corridor plan, and the agency needs to update it, Fox said Wednesday.

The population density of Cordova's neighborhoods is less than ideal for light rail, but a series of park-and-ride lots might make it work, Fox has said.

"I think it's something that can add greatly to what we're trying to do," MATA president Will Hudson said.

The possibility of a way for cyclists and walkers to go between Midtown and Cordova without competing with cars stirred some excitement Wednesday.

"I think there is a tremendous need . . . for the commuter as well as the recreational biker," said Bill Waters, president of the Memphis Hightailers bike club in 2001-2002.

The community may not have to choose between using the right-of-way for light rail or a trail, said Jeff Ciabotti, director of trail development for the Rails to Trails Conservancy.

"The idea of shared-use corridors is really catching on around the country," he said. "We call them 'rails with trails.' "

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The blue line is the rail line donated to the city:

[BrandonTO416]

Considering this development, I hope Memphis jumps on it. Using the above mapping software, that is 13.3 miles of free right of way and one whole rail line already completed. This would literally cut the costs down to so little that there is no reason NOT to build this.

Its not the most dense corridor, but it can be developed. And it also can be a backbone of a redesigned bus system that uses rail integrally.

This is just awesome news!

[Wendell FOX]

Is there an existant rail connection from the blue line's western terminus to the heart of downtown or does it just stop there?

[BrandonTO416]

No, but the Memphis Trolley line - which is LRT ready and fully compliant for new rail cars that Portland uses (I forget the brand) - is barely a few miles from the end of this line, that line would be extended down Madison Avenue and become in its own right-of-way when it meets this new line. Its a perfect combination to create a backbone LRT system with a new north-south bus system making connections to points all over the metropolitan area.

[monsoon]

[Neo]

Very sleek and modern indeed!

[bobliocatt]

Its nice to see Memphis coming along so nicely.

[wolfdawg54]

That's nice of CSX to do that! A beautiful addition.

[BrandonTO416]

Its not CSX, it a private donor purchasing it from CSX then giving it to the city. But whoever the person is - they are not coming public. LOL So we have no clue who it is!

[mjtinmemphis]

heckles, on May 24 2004, 01:04 AM, said:

No, but the Memphis Trolley line - which is LRT ready and fully compliant for new rail cars that Portland uses (I forget the brand) - is barely a few miles from the end of this line, that line would be extended down Madison Avenue and become in its own right-of-way when it meets this new line. Its a perfect combination to create a backbone LRT system with a new north-south bus system making connections to points all over the metropolitan area.

Very interesting.

Has anyone heard the ridership projections for the Memphis Light Rail and compared it to the system thats in Portland, Dallas or St. Louis?

I can't imagine how the light rail will work going down madison avenue considering they move at a sometimes faster speads than trolley cars. (the reason people prefer light rail is because its faster than a car.) Can Memphians drive with a light rail car on the street ????

I don't think that we are quite ready for this!!!

We are much too spread out for light rail.

Last population figures show that less than 400,000 people live within the 240 corridor. That doesn't show a very high density urban population.

Please tell me how this is going to work. Our money could be used to bring technology and research driven industry to the area by improving our school system. Instead of a bragging tool for our polititians in promoting our city for tourism.

[tnse]

I wanted to revive this discussion on light rail. Obviously this donation never happened. Does anyone else know the latest on the CSX line staus or light rail proposals? Or are we no closer than we have been? What is MATA doing these days? Where is MATATRAC? Wouldn't it be great if you could catch a train ride to a ballgame at FedExForum or AutoZone Park from East, Germantown, or Collierville? Don't you think this would increase game attendence by making it easier? Or maybe a ride to the airport without having to drive or pay parking. Maybe this increases O&D. Or maybe this increases the amount of people going downtown to Beale because they don't have to worry about a drive home or having to pay to park. Same with the ballgames. $10 to park to park near the FXF on game days is annoying. If light rail increases conviniece by making it easier to go downtown or the airport, and you can spend the money you would have used to park on something else like shopping or food, then I thin kthat only helps the Memphis economy.

[DoctorGonzo]

MATA is currently focused on building the most brain-dead LRT line out of all of the proposals they had. They want Alternative 2 which will go down Pauline, Lamar and Airways, skipping Overton Square, Cooper-Young and the Fairgrounds.

Nobody in their right mind is going to ride a light rail line down Lamar and neighboring streets. This was the worst possible alternative they could have selected. The undoubtedly low ridership numbers combined with a likely crime spree on the trains/stations will effectively doom any further expansion of the system in Memphis for many years to come.

If they actually put it in a part of the city where people wanted to go and might feel as though they would live to reach their destination, then you would see people adopt it once they broke out of the mentality that they need to drive a car everywhere and public transportation is the devil. However, I don't see that happening.

[tennreb]

We need a line that parallels the track running along Poplar. It's that or no light rail at all.

[crossroad]

DoctorGonzo, on Jan 16 2007, 06:05 PM, said:

MATA is currently focused on building the most brain-dead LRT line out of all of the proposals they had. They want Alternative 2 which will go down Pauline, Lamar and Airways, skipping Overton Square, Cooper-Young and the Fairgrounds.

Nobody in their right mind is going to ride a light rail line down Lamar and neighboring streets. This was the worst possible alternative they could have selected. The undoubtedly low ridership numbers combined with a likely crime spree on the trains/stations will effectively doom any further expansion of the system in Memphis for many years to come.

wow... if it's that obvious... how on earth could this be approved by the city council?

[bluff2085]

crossroad, on Jan 16 2007, 07:37 PM, said:

wow... if it's that obvious... how on earth could this be approved by the city council?

I think they argued that the Lamar area's urban decline would begin to reverse with light rail, and that alternative 2 was justifiable because the Lamar corridor "deserved/needed" the economic boosts that come with LRT more so than other areas of the city.

[crossroad]

bluff2085, on Jan 16 2007, 08:01 PM, said:

I think they argued that the Lamar area's urban decline would begin to reverse with light rail, and that alternative 2 was justifiable because the Lamar corridor "deserved/needed" the economic boosts that come with LRT more so than other areas of the city.

Is Lamar Area <= South Memphis?
Who did that economic research that the corridor can be reversed by LRT? I have never heard/seen that LRT/Monorail built in economically distressed areas these days. I thought that area "deserved/needed" more schools or teachers.... but not the LRT, which is much needed where there is a MORE READY market.

Why were the trolley lines built in Downtown Memphis? Because it was impoverished years ago and now it's been REVERSED? No. It was NEEDED in downtown because downtown was ready for that investment.

This post has been edited by crossroad: 16 January 2007 - 08:29 PM

[Rural King]

There is no need in wasting millions of taxpayers dollars such an unfeasible route as ALT 2. I would assume political pressures and not sound reasoning has A LOT more to do with ALT 2 getting pushed over the much better options out there. The city should just scrap the whole idea if they are just going to build the thing to be doing it and/or bowing to unsound political pressures.

[cdarr]

The original idea behind light rail systems was to provide high-speed, high-capacity transit in congested areas. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the NY or Boston subways or Chicago "L" were started in the most impoverished areas of town. The "L", in fact, began as a commercial venture and was later taken over by the CTA.

I'm not even sure we have enough traffic congestion anywhere in the city to justify a light rail system. If we did, though, it would be along the Poplar Corridor.

This post has been edited by cdarr: 16 January 2007 - 08:59 PM

[gatesofmemphis]

From a May 23, 2006 CA article (with my embedded questions):

Quote

If Memphis builds a light rail line to the airport, it won't be routed through the Cooper-Young area and adjoining neighborhoods where businesses and residents have voiced concerns [who? when? where?] about disruptions, transit officials decided Monday.
...
"There are several categories of impacts [what are they?] where the (Cooper-Young and Fairgrounds options) were substantially greater," said Tom Fox, MATA's assistant general manager for planning and capital projects.

The costs and projected ridership levels of the different routes "were so close together, it's almost a wash," Fox said.

Twenty-year projections [how historically reliable are these projections?] show the line eventually would attract 10,000-11,000 riders a day, no matter if it's built through Cooper-Young, to the Fairgrounds, or down Lamar.

But a MATA consultant [what's their name? where are they from?] screening the environmental impacts of the Cooper-Young and Fairgrounds routes found they would cause noise and vibration problems for homes and businesses [there are businesses and homes in Lamar/Airways, plus everyplace on earth that that has light rail -- how would this be different?], mar the scenery of the area [how?] and damage historic resources [how?].

Those are among the reasons business owners from Madison and Overton Square to Cooper-Young have voiced concerns [again, who? when? where?] about the light-rail line. They also cited the kind of business disruptions caused by the recent construction of the trolley-system extension on Madison.

The article does quote a single CY business owner against building it there (very short-sighted on his part I think).

It's a classic CA He said, He Said article: Memphis leader, official or bureaucrat expresses groupthink and reporter provides little or no challenge. It's practically a MATA press release.

[bluff2085]

^Yeah it bothered me how they said businesses in CY and Overton Square would object, and cited the Madison extension as an example. The midtown areas they refer to are stronger, more vibrant, and definitely more desirable destinations than the neighborhoods surrounding the med center and the new Madison line. The CY and Overton Sq. comparison to the Madison/MedCenter route might be somewhat unrealistic since IMO the businesses along the alt #1 route might sustain LRT construction schedules a little more favorably than businesses did along the Madison extension.

This post has been edited by bluff2085: 16 January 2007 - 11:53 PM