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		<title>Roanoke Stores and Retail</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quality Farm & Fleet/CT Farm Supply closed in 2000.  They had their going out of business sale the same week that Wacamaw (sic) and Phar Mor did.   That was pre-9/11!]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:08:44 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Downtown will soon have a new grocery store.  7 to 7 Grocery should open next week, next door to the Hancock building and its future 58 apartments.  The store is 2,200 sq feet, so it won't have a huge selection, but its better than the slim pickings currently available.  <a href='http://www.roanoke.com/business/wb/158330'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_roanoke_com');">full story</a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:22:52 -0500</pubDate>
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		<title>Roanoke Newspaper says Cheesecake Factory, Kohls are not coming...</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope to see the plans for the Hershberger development this week.  The guy that has a copy says the Cheesecake Factory is definate and the only store in the plans that's for sure.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:39:27 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<!--quoteo(post=962085:date=Apr 10 2008, 05&#58;56 PM:name=StevenRocks)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StevenRocks &#064; Apr 10 2008, 05&#58;56 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=962085"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Bonefish Grill is definitely opening on 419 next to Allstate, but other than a couple of other stores, that mall is stymied by the lack of anchor stores.<br /><br />As for this Hershberger development, we'll have to see what happens. I can't imagine Cheesecake is committal and Kohl's isn't. That seems a little backward.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:32:45 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bonefish Grill is definitely opening on 419 next to Allstate, but other than a couple of other stores, that mall is stymied by the lack of anchor stores.<br /><br />As for this Hershberger development, we'll have to see what happens.  I can't imagine Cheesecake is committal and Kohl's isn't.  That seems a little backward.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:56:21 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All of the homes but two have settled months ago to be purchased, and the purchase agreements are good throught the end of 2008.  The developer has an option on the 10 acres through early 2009 and may be waiting to land an anchor to begin the development.  The floodplain area would be mostly elimiated by plowing the higher hill area on the western side.  Cheesecake Factory is supposed to be for sure, but Costco may go to Cove/Hershberger and Kohls may not be for sure.  Continental, the developer, won't start a development without an anchor.  Continental's hdqtrs is in Menomonie Falls, WI where Kohls's is HQ'd (WI Senator Herb Kohl's family started it).  I'm from Brookfield, which is next to Menomonie Falls.  Our family got 90% of our clothes from Kohl's growing up.  I also got my first hunting license from Gander Mountain in Brookfield-- talk about another massive Roaonke retail development.  After the Sportsman Warehouse opened on Hershberger (or announced plans to come) Gander Mountain decided to locate on I-81 and Plantation (or vice-versa).  Continental probably hopes to see such a chain reaction with their development.<br /><br />Big box stores entered 2008 with expansion plans at 50% of what they they did in 2007 because of the uncertain economic climate.  Is it a favorable time for retail expansion now?  Retailers must be concered about the possible recession, but developers must be eager with interest rates dropping.  Stores continue to pop up everywhere.  Today I saw a Bojangles under construction on the NE corner of Airport road and Peter's Creek (it's on a hill surrounded by acres of trees and nothing).   Today I also drove by the new Caeser's pizza w/drive-thru behind Tower's Mall on Brandon Ave. today and saw it open for business for the first time.  Oh, and have you seen the huge "City-Center" mall going up on 419 next to the Allstate building near Lewis-Gale Medical center!  WOW!  There are three buildings up already, and the building on 419 I've heard is going to be a new Bone Fish Restaurant.  I've been to the first one in Tampa, FL.  I'm pretty sure the chain is owned by Outback.  Oh, and not to mention the continued expansion of the 419 strip center just west of Tanglewood- there's a bunch of new stores going in.  Sure hope I'm talking about the new Cheescake Factory soon...]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:32:06 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It's somewhat telling that people are more concerned about whether the Wiener Stand will have to move than encouraging more people to use a great facility like Center.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:49:37 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description>The site they showed in the paper makes more sense than what I assumed the developers were going to do, but that area is still at least three to four years from being a retail development.  The land is residential and most of it is still being negotiated for purchase, not to mention the rezoning and traffic improvements a development like that will need.</description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:47:18 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<!--quoteo(post=956100:date=Mar 28 2008, 12&#58;11 AM:name=aout)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (aout &#064; Mar 28 2008, 12&#58;11 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=956100"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There may not be a bridge - the current valley view bridge may spur off to the north west of I-581 along a new frontage road heading north along the west side of the interstate toward Hershberger to connect with the new big box stores.  The new powerplant at the NW corner of Cove and Hershberger will supply the needed power to the development.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br /><br />That would make more sense to me.  New bridges are expensive.  <br /><br />Looks like the Roanoke Times finally found out about this and investigated a little bit.  Check out the article <a href='http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/xp-156162'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_roanoke_com');">here.</a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:41:08 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There may not be a bridge - the current valley view bridge may spur off to the north west of I-581 along a new frontage road heading north along the west side of the interstate toward Hershberger to connect with the new big box stores.  The new powerplant at the NW corner of Cove and Hershberger will supply the needed power to the development.  <br /><br />]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:11:10 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New $20 million (+/-) plan for Center in the Square unveiled yesterday.  Building would not expand beyond it's current footprint, but would expand exhibit space by shuffling some things around a bit.  The historic facade of the building would be restored.<br /><br /><a href='http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/xp-156038'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_roanoke_com');">story</a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:39:06 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<!--quoteo(post=951674:date=Mar 19 2008, 08&#58;54 AM:name=mclawsdrive)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mclawsdrive &#064; Mar 19 2008, 08&#58;54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=951674"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Good call, VaGuy. I'd like to see it in either the Elliston Area or maybe Franklin County near the proposed I73. Although closer to Martinsville would certainly help the economy there.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br />I want to stress this is complete, idle speculation on my part.  Like I said, I HOPE that Virginia and local officials are following up with VW.  The only lingering question in my mind is why Virginia is spending so much to lure the HQ to Fairfax County where it's hardly needed or wanted by most locals given traffic.  I'd expect that Hampton Roads and the Shenandoah Valley might be ahead of the Roanoke area and SWVA.  Locally, Elliston could work since it has both good rail and road access.  I doubt Franklin County would be a candidate since who knows when or if I-73 will be built.  Pulaski County probably has the best site in the New Century industrial parcel, but I'd say Botetourt County might be most likely as it'd be closest to HQ.  I'm not sure if there's a perfect site in Botetourt.  There's the large, flat area near Buchanan visible from the James River bridge on I-81, but that's a flood plain.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:32:42 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<!--quoteo(post=951632:date=Mar 19 2008, 09&#58;09 AM:name=VaGuy1973)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VaGuy1973 &#064; Mar 19 2008, 09&#58;09 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=951632"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The Commonwealth of Virginia has shelled out big bucks to lure VW to move its North American HQ to Fairfax County.<br /><br /><a href='http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/search.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-03-15-0118.html'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_inrich_com');">http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/search.apx.-...03-15-0118.html</a><br /><br />I hope that Governor Kaine and others are aware of VW's plans to build a plant in the US and say, hey, we have a good place just a few hours drive from your HQ.<br /><br /><a href='http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080317/BUSINESS/803170356/1305/BUSINESS'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_indystar_com');">http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...6/1305/BUSINESS</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br /><br />Good call, VaGuy.  I'd like to see it in either the Elliston Area or maybe Franklin County near the proposed I73.  Although closer to Martinsville would certainly help the economy there.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:54:58 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Commonwealth of Virginia has shelled out big bucks to lure VW to move its North American HQ to Fairfax County.<br /><br /><a href='http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/search.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-03-15-0118.html'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_inrich_com');">http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/search.apx.-...03-15-0118.html</a><br /><br />I hope that Governor Kaine and others are aware of VW's plans to build a plant in the US and say, hey, we have a good place just a few hours drive from your HQ.<br /><br /><a href='http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080317/BUSINESS/803170356/1305/BUSINESS'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_indystar_com');">http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...6/1305/BUSINESS</a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:09:59 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looked at the Google Earth pic- Ashley Furniture is the big store with the big angled parking lot which is where the bridge is supposed to connect.  Not sure if it will be north or south.  The next bldg south with the blue roof is Pier 1, then Applebees, then an abandoned bank, and then the Lewis-Gale medical center.  The abandoned bank would seem like a good place for the bridge -- it's for sale for $1.5M.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:46:29 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The bridge has been officially approved by the city last fall.  The floodplain will be dealt with like last year's Ukrop's property which was built on the river.  Hard to believe the Walgreen's next to Ukrops is a week or two from being under roof!  My wife's cousin who develops/builds grocery stores says it's nothing for a large box store to spend $15M+ on a site now days.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:37:32 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<!--quoteo(post=939264:date=Feb 25 2008, 10&#58;19 AM:name=VaGuy1973)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VaGuy1973 &#064; Feb 25 2008, 10&#58;19 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=939264"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The wish for an upscale retreat away from the activities of the city sounds more like a desire of the senior businessmen's set than an idea of young, educated professionals seeking to enhance the day-by-day quality of life in the valley for their peer group."<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I couldn't agree more.  The last few years have been all about attracting people downtown and creating a true 24 hour community.  Placing the new 'hot spot' on top of the mountain a world away from downtown runs counter to what's been happening (and working).<br />]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:50:49 -0500</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<!--quoteo(post=945341:date=Mar 6 2008, 08&#58;52 PM:name=StevenRocks)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StevenRocks &#064; Mar 6 2008, 08&#58;52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=945341"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->None of the land supposedly in this development is zoned for retail sales, and a lot of it is in a floodplain.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br /><br />Very true.  That whole area is zoned R-7 and a pretty substantial area along 581 is floodplain.  I am attaching a google earth image where I approximated the floodplain with a shaded polygon (i can't export images from the city's GIS that actually show the floodplain.  The white boundary is the area under discussion.<br /><br />A rezoning would be required for this development, and I'm guessing the city wants keep that floodplain undeveloped not just because its floodplain, but also as a setback from the interstate and because the lick run greenway might eventually be expanded along that corridor.<br /><br />There's probably about 300 feet in the vacant parcels between the floodplain and the houses.  Thats not enough for a large commercial development, which is probably why the developer would want to get rid of all 24 houses.<br /><br />Also, a bridge over the interstate is a pretty big deal.  I'm wondering whether this project has been officially approved or perhaps there have just been some private unofficial discussions between the developer and someone high up in the city administration.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:47:32 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description>None of the land supposedly in this development is zoned for retail sales, and a lot of it is in a floodplain.</description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:52:57 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 24 homes aren't "doomed" - they're each getting 2x their value!  Ingress and Egress will come from Ordway Drive and via the new bridge/Valley View.  Glenroy was originally going to be a deadend, but right-of-way wouldn't work near the Hershberger to 581 south ramp.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:59:20 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I've now heard the same rumors from another source.  Perhaps nothing has been submitted to the planning dept yet.  You would think someone there would have to have Ok'd, or be aware of plans for a bridge crossing 581, but maybe its hush hush.  Anyway, I'm almost positive I know which houses are planned for demolition, regardless of how close to reality these plans really are.  They are on Glenroy St and Kirkland Dr, off of Ordway Dr.  There are a total of 24 houses on both of those streets, which makes me conclude that those are the 'doomed' houses.  <br /><br />I'm assuming that ingress and egress for this new development would be through Ordway Dr as well as across the new bridge.  In order for commercial development to expand much farther south in the future, homes on Brooklyn Dr, Aspen St Fairland Rd and probably Meadowview would need to be aquired.  South of there though, is a rather large undeveloped area fronting 581 directly across from the Mall and Walmart..  Much of it is cleared land already.<br /><br />Two other things that could help improve and expand VVM's prominence:<br /><br />-Create a southbound exit ramp off 581 to access the Valley View Blvd Bridge.  The lane on the bridge is already there.  All that is needed is the actual exit ramp, no bridge widening is necessary.<br /><br />Put a northbound access ramp to 581 from Valley View Blvd.  Currently the right lane just merges with the left, but it was obviously designed so a northbound ramp could be added later.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:03:53 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I'm pretty well connected to the planning and economic development communities in Roanoke and I haven't heard any of those rumors.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:10:22 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I heard a rumor that Kohls was interested in the Southern Hills Walmart site on 220.<br /><br /><!--quoteo(post=943509:date=Mar 3 2008, 10&#58;53 PM:name=aout)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (aout &#064; Mar 3 2008, 10&#58;53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=943509"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->South of the deveopment is another group of homes, and then 60 additional acres which streches south along the western side of 581 to Orange Avenue, or route 460 which connects Roanoke with Lynchburg and Richmond.  This area will be phased into the development in the near future.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br /><br />Man, I should be a developer!  I swear I had this idea independently about 2 years ago.   Well, maybe not extending the development south all the way to Orange Ave (which may encounter some hurdles, but the basic idea to expand Valley View's retail area with a bridge across 581.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:58:35 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description>South of the deveopment is another group of homes, and then 60 additional acres which streches south along the western side of 581 to Orange Avenue, or route 460 which connects Roanoke with Lynchburg and Richmond.  This area will be phased into the development in the near future.</description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:53:10 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The bridge across 581 will connect Valley View Mall at the Ashley Furniture store with the Western side of I-581.  Cheescake factory will move in late '08 at the best retail location in Western Virginia - the SW corner of 581 and Hershberger Road which is now 10 acres of farmland.  The $10M bridge project was finalized months ago, a second option on the 10 acres of farmland has been secured by a delveloper called Continental, and a contract to demolish 24 nearby homes has been finalized.  Other potential tennants include Kohls, Value City, and Costco.  Costco may move to the NW corner of Hershberger and Cove road adjacent to a new electrical plant currently under construction.  Costco is coming-- a major Costco supplier's Regional VP is iactivly invoved with negotiating for their business.  Hall and Associates, a go-between local real estate co. for Continental, has come to a contract agreement with 22 of the 24 small brick homes adjacent to the west of the 10 acres.  Demolition/constuction may begin this Spring.  <br /><br />]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:47:48 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A bowling resort?  Yeah, of course that'll work in Roanoke  <img src="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:42:46 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is certainly something completely different!<br /><br /><a href='http://www.roanoke.com/business/wb/152405'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_roanoke_com');">http://www.roanoke.com/business/wb/152405</a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:01:13 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn't explain the children comment very well.  The Roanoke Times article about these stores stated that Kohls wasn't interested in Roanoke and that Kohls looks for areas with lots of families with children.  I was suprised at the explanation, given that Lynchburg has a Kohls, yet is a smaller market than Roanoke.  I'd like to see more in depth analysis of this topic in the Roanoke Times.  I feel like they're providing unsatisfactory explanations and not questioning obvious contradictions such as the Kohls situation.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:55:05 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also don't think that the Cheesecake Factory is "all that" and think that more locally owned and ethnic places or more upscale national chains are generally better options.  The reason it likely would not locate in Roanoke is that Cheesecake Factory locations are so large that they need a huge volume of customers to turn a profit.<br /><br />Where was it reported that Kohls located in Lynchburg over Roanoke because Lynchburg has more children? If you add up the populations of all the counties and cities that are roughly within a one hour or so drive of Roanoke, the population is around 1 million.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:10:05 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richmond has a Cheesecake factory.  It's semi-gourmet quality in oversized portions appeals to the average Joe with a little extra money to burn.  There are at least a dozen local restaurants that far surpass the quality of Cheesecake factory.  I think it would do well in Roanoke in a suburban mall setting.  IKEA is extremely unlikely to come to Roanoke in the foreseeable future.  They claim to require a population of 2 million within a 60 mile radius.  Roanoke probably has about 1 million within that radius, so it will be quite some time  (decades) before IKEA moves in. Richmond and Hampton Roads will see one first. ValueCity, I could do without, but they would probably do very well in Roanoke, especially in the Valley View area.  I fail to see why Kohls would find the smaller Lynchburg MSA to have more children than Roanoke's.    Especially considering the larger region Roanoke pulls shoppers from, I would guess Roanoke has at least 50% more potential Kohls shoppers than Lynchburg.  So it would surprise me if there wasn't a Roanoke Kohls within a few years.<br /><br />And Aout, any more info about the 581 bride project or Valley View Power Center plans would be greatly appreciated.<br /><br />The press is dying from attrition.  Newspapers are cutting their staff and will be less and less likely to get 'scoops' as the years go on.  Welcome to the brave new world of 'rumor blogging'.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:23:18 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only cities at all similar to Roanoke which have the Cheesecake Factory are Des Moines, Iowa, and Dayton, Ohio, and both of them have much bigger MSA sizes.  Greensboro-Winston Salem does not even have one yet.  I find it very implausible a Cheesecake Factory would come anytime soon.  With Wal-Mart, K-Mart, and Target, the Roanoke department store market is pretty saturated.  If K-Mart goes under, it wouldn't surprise me to see Kohls arrive.  Since Target and Wal-Mart are at Valley View, I'd think that the Tanglewood-419 area would be more attractive to Kohls.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:53:58 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I've had a discussion with a reliable source two weeks ago who confirmed that the Cheesecake Factory is coming to Roanoke.   Kohls and ValueCity may come.  The major newspaper in Roanoke today ran a front-page article in their business section saying the Cheescake Factory, IKEA, and Kohls do NOT plan on coming to Roanoke in the near future.  The developer has received 20 of 24 signed contracts on homes it needs to purchase for the Valley View area Power Center they are developing for 4 or 5 big box stores.  The $10M I-581 bridge project was approved 6 months ago by the city.  Where is the press?  Is Costco abandoning the Power Center for the NW Hershberger/Cove Road site adjacent to the developing electrical plant?]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:13:25 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Roanoke Times had several op-ed pieces on the Rockledge Inn proposal this past Sunday.  Many points of view were represented.  The article by Bob Crawford most closely reflects my views:<br /><br /><!--sizeo:2--><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->[/size]<a href='http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/commentary/special/wb/151680'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_roanoke_com');"><u>[size="2"]<!--coloro:#0000ff--><span style="color:#0000ff"><!--/coloro-->http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/commentary/special/wb/151680</u><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--></a><br /><br />Here are some excerpts:<br /><br />"Such intentions might also lead to finding ways to support the expansion of area wi-fi zones, creating some enhancement for the monthly Art-by-Night occasions of the market area galleries, developing a weekly informal chamber music lunchtime event at the new art museum's cafe or outdoor patio, sponsoring an avant garde film series at the Grandin Theater or the new art museum, creating a program of augmenting selected categories of library holdings in the local library system, and the development of aesthetic and sports-use of the Roanoke River, to mention a few possible quality of life enhancements.<br /><br />The wish for an upscale retreat away from the activities of the city sounds more like a desire of the senior businessmen's set than an idea of young, educated professionals seeking to enhance the day-by-day quality of life in the valley for their peer group."<br /><br />]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:19:13 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Live Search Maps now has Bird's Eye views of the entire city of Roanoke and many nearby areas.  Go to this link and zoom in on an area of interest .  Then click on Bird's eye.   <a href='http://maps.live.com/?q=&mkt=en-us&scope=&FORM=LIVSOP#JnE9eXAuUm9hbm9rZSUyYytWYSU3ZXNzdC4wJTdlcGcuMSZiYj01NS44NzUzMTA4MzU2OTY4JTdlLTQzLjA2NjQwNjI1JTdlMTMuMDY4Nzc2NzM0MzU3NyU3ZS0xMTIuMTQ4NDM3NQ=='  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/maps_live_com');">live search - roanoke</a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:57:30 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href='http://www.roanoke.com/business/wb/151088'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_roanoke_com');">http://www.roanoke.com/business/wb/151088</a><br /><br />Here's an example of employers desparately trying to find qualified workers for good paying blue collar jobs.  If Roanoke city schools could take 50 kids a year (25 at PH, 25 at WF) who currently drop out and train them in welding, probably all of them could land jobs in the area and help drive expansions of these companies.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:27:49 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<!--quoteo(post=930748:date=Feb 6 2008, 02&#58;36 PM:name=mclawsdrive)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mclawsdrive &#064; Feb 6 2008, 02&#58;36 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=930748"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Wow, thanks Burt. I hadn't seen that on Roanoke.com. It's there now, but I wonder if the Times Dispatch scooped them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br />Here's another story about the museum:<br /><br /><a href='http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-02-07-0178.html'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_inrich_com');">http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-co...02-07-0178.html</a><br /><br />I'm sure you guys get all this info in your local papers, but I'm posting it so that out-of-state visitors to this site can learn how progressive the arts scene is in Roanoke.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:42:36 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, thanks Burt.  I hadn't seen that on Roanoke.com.  It's there now, but I wonder if the Times Dispatch scooped them.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:36:00 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your beautiful new museum of art has received a $15.2 million dollar donation and when it opens in November will have a new name -- The Taubman Museum of Art:<br /><br /><a href='http://www.inrich.com/content/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-02-06-0199.html'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_inrich_com');">http://www.inrich.com/content/cva/ric/news...02-06-0199.html</a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:24:14 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A growing high-tech engineering group is moving from Salem to Roanoke County after considering relocation to another metro area.  One new employee from San Fransisco said quality of life was a major factor in their decision.  <a href='http://www.roanoke.com/business/wb/149007'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_roanoke_com');">roanoke times</a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:03:00 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<!--quoteo(post=852033:date=Sep 5 2007, 08&#58;33 AM:name=bmedguy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bmedguy &#064; Sep 5 2007, 08&#58;33 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=852033"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->An article in the Roanoke Times says the new medical school is going to be a larger building than originally planned as it will include more research offices.  The site has also moved from the interior of Riverside to a parcel fronting Jefferson.  That must mean it will be on the land on the downtown side of the Luna building.  The article also says the facade will have a VT limestone look.  I'm glad it will be someting different than the red brick.  Some variation of style will be good compared to everything being uniform in my opinion.  I guess this also means more research jobs are planned, so that seems like good news.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br /><br />More research jobs is right!  And high paying ones at that.  Check out this article - <a href='http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/xp-149125'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_roanoke_com');">roanoke times</a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:49:32 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe there isn't a crisis regarding the city's population.  Check out this article. <a href='http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/xp-148983'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_roanoke_com');">roanoke times</a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:35:07 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The lack of a four year public university is certainly a drawback for Roanoke.  If the leaders of N&W and the city had insisted on it during the early to mid 20th century, it would've happened.  I have to wonder why they never did.  That was certainly a lack of foresight.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:20:03 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<!--quoteo(post=926148:date=Jan 28 2008, 04&#58;52 PM:name=mclawsdrive)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mclawsdrive &#064; Jan 28 2008, 04&#58;52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=926148"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think this is a huge factor in why Lynchburg is growing at a faster rate.  Roanoke desperately needs a sizeable 4 year undergraduate institution.  Currently nothing fitting the bill exists in the city of Roanoke.  Why are young people moving out of Roanoke in droves at 18?  To go to college.  Why are 18-year-olds moving in droves to other cities but not Roanoke?  To go to college.  All I want is a 4 year college with an enrollment of at least 3500.  May a very rich person please will all of your estate to this noble cause?  I will be very gratetful.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br /><br />I would love to see a four-year school actually in Roanoke, but not sure that it will/would ever happen.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:24:10 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I'm surprised that the number of commuters from Bedford to Roanoke and Lynchburg are that close.  I would've guessed around 2 to 1 in favor of Lynchburg.  I also definitely agree about the role of Liberty University in the relative growth of Lynchburg.  The growth of Liberty has been under the radar, even around the area.  And, at least potentially, I'd think students at Liberty would be more likely to want to remain in the area than typical college students. <br /><br />I also agree that the precipitous drop in the population of Roanoke City is a major concern.  While many other cities have at least stabilized in population since around 1990, the drop is accelerating in Roanoke.  By now, Roanoke County almost certainly has a higher population.  It's concerning that the citizens, politicians, and media of Roanoke are paying little to no attention to what should be viewed as a crisis.  The Roanoke Times ought to have a weeklong series detailing exactly who's moving away and why (schools, crime, jobs?) and where they are going (suburbs or out of town?).]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<!--quoteo(post=925957:date=Jan 28 2008, 10&#58;39 AM:name=VirginiaSportsReport)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VirginiaSportsReport &#064; Jan 28 2008, 10&#58;39 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=925957"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->From a Roanoke perspective, the most alarming thing to me is the drastic drop in Roanoke City's population. Something really needs to be done to get that back on the right track.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br /><br />While I agree that the population drop is a problem, it is important to note that this has occured and is still occurring in most cities that has a large pre-WWII housing stock and less ability to annex.<br /><br />DC has lost almost 1/2 its population since WWII.  Ditto Cleveland, Pittsburgh and most cities in the northeast and northern midwest.  A big factor is household density.  Houses in the city that previously held large families are now home to 1 or two people.  Also commercial development in the city swallows up some residential areas.  Without annexation, it is theoretically possible for a city's metro to grow substantially, while the city's population drops to zero.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:59:22 -0600</pubDate>
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		<title>Rockledge Inn</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<!--quoteo(post=925957:date=Jan 28 2008, 10&#58;39 AM:name=VirginiaSportsReport)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VirginiaSportsReport &#064; Jan 28 2008, 10&#58;39 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=925957"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, don't under estimate the power Liberty University has had on Lynchburg's growth.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br />I think this is a huge factor in why Lynchburg is growing at a faster rate.  Roanoke desperately needs a sizeable 4 year undergraduate institution.  Currently nothing fitting the bill exists in the city of Roanoke.  Why are young people moving out of Roanoke in droves at 18?  To go to college.  Why are 18-year-olds moving in droves to other cities but not Roanoke?  To go to college.  All I want is a 4 year college with an enrollment of at least 3500.  May a very rich person please will all of your estate to this noble cause?  I will be very gratetful.<br /><br />Good point about Bedford county as well.  45% of Bedford county's growth should be attributed to the Roanoke MSA, not Lynchburg's.  Just think though; if just a slight boost occurs in the ratio of commuters to Roanoke vs. Lynchburg, Bedford County could switch from Lynchburg's to Roanoke's MSA.  It could happen one day.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:52:34 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<!--quoteo(post=925366:date=Jan 26 2008, 04&#58;54 PM:name=VaGuy1973)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VaGuy1973 &#064; Jan 26 2008, 04&#58;54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=925366"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The best model for the type of company that I'd like to see more of, and would be realistic to expect, would be ITT.  While I don't know anything in particular about it, I'd imagine the bulk of production jobs do not require a college degree.  However, they are high skilled and high paying; that's what I consider "blue collar" not a $7 burger flipper.  And, there are technical, engineering, and "front office" job which require a college degree and would be considered "white collar."  It really is a shame that Johnson & Johnson closed, and I do wonder if a lack of skilled workers -though never stated- was a reason why.  I also wonder if it is a factor in no significant companies yet to emerge from the Carilion Biomedical Institute, which I considered the best economic development idea of the past 25 years as it attempted to build on what exists and seems like a solid business idea.<br /><br />Roanoke simply isn't going to have an economy like Northern Virginia or Charlotte based on a "pure" non-medical white collar industry like banking/finance or software development.  For a variety of reasons, those industries are increasingly migrating to large cities.  Roanoke will do well to hold onto what it has.  (See the Advance Auto Parts saga.)  I know it's not the city that Roanoke usually looks towards, but it's interesting to compare Roanoke and Lynchburg.  Since 1980 to 2006, the Lynchburg MSA has increased in population from 182,207 to 223,917, which is 22.9%.  Since 1980 to 2006, the Roanoke MSA (using the current definition) has increased in populaton from 260,081 to 295,530, which is 13.6%.  If Roanoke had matched Lynchburg's growth rate, the Roanoke MSA would have a population of 319,618.  That's 24,088 more or roughly the population of Salem.  While Lynchburg would hardly be called a boom-town, it's clearly been doing better than Roanoke.  And, with Lynchburg's nuclear industry possibly poised to take advantage of the deposit in Pittsylvania County, the gap could grow.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br /><br />I think you overstate Lynchburg's growth. I'm not going to pretend that Lynchburg hasn't made leaps and bounds in terms of improvement in recent years, but I don't think it's as huge as everyone makes it out to be. If you really look at Census numbers county by county, the main reason the Lynchburg MSA has out-grown the Roanoke MSA is because of Bedford County's growth. Now, the Forest area's growth is certainly because of Lynchburg, but Bedford has also grown because of the Lake and because of Roanoke. In fact, if you look at data from the Virginia Economic Development Partnershop, almost as many people commute from Bedford County to Roanoke City/County for work as they do to Lynchburg/Campbell County for work. <br /><br />Bedford County to Roanoke City/County 8,381<br />Bedford County to Lynchburg City/Campbell County 9,396<br /><br /><br />Here is the Census info for all the counties in question from 1960-the 2006 estimate. <br /><br />				1960	1970	1980	1990	2000	2006		<br />Amherst County 			22,953	26,072	29,122	28,578	31,894	32,239<br />Appomattox County		                9,148	9,784	11,971	12,298	13,705	14,128<br />Bedford County			31,028	26,728	34,927	45,656	60,371	66,507 <br />Campbell County			32,958	43,319	45,424	47,572	51,078	52,667<br />Bedford City			X	6,011	5,991	6,073	6,299	6,249<br />Lynchburg City			54,790	54,083	66,743	66,049	65,269	67,720<br />MSA Total				150,877    165,997     194,178    206,226     228,616    239,510<br /><br />				1960	1970	1980	1990	2000	2006<br />Botetourt County			16,715	18,193	23,270	24,992	30,496	32,228<br />Craig County			3,356	3,524	3,948	4,372	5,091	5,179<br />Franklin County			25,925	28,163	35,740	39,549	47,286	50,784<br />Roanoke County			61,693	67,339	72,945	79,294	85,778	90,482<br />Roanoke City			97,110	92,115	100,220	96,509	94,911	91,552<br />Salem City			                X	21,982	23,958	23,797	24,747	24,825<br />MSA Total                                                  204,799    231,316     260,081    268,513    288,309     295,050<br /><br />Lynchburg is certainly growing at a faster clip than Roanoke, but again, take Bedford out of the equation for Lynchburg and the numbers are much tighter. Again, not saying that Lynchburg has nothing to do with Bedford County's growth, but I think Roanoke and Smith Mountain Lake also have a lot to do with it as well. <br /><br />Also, don't under estimate the power Liberty University has had on Lynchburg's growth. <br /><br />From a Roanoke perspective, the most alarming thing to me is the drastic drop in Roanoke City's population. Something really needs to be done to get that back on the right track. <br /><br />]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:39:56 -0600</pubDate>
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		<title>Roanoke development</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the deal is pretty far along.  I don't know how I feel about the proposal, but whoever ends up with the Market Building needs to sink some serious money into renovations.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:18:04 -0600</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The best model for the type of company that I'd like to see more of, and would be realistic to expect, would be ITT.  While I don't know anything in particular about it, I'd imagine the bulk of production jobs do not require a college degree.  However, they are high skilled and high paying; that's what I consider "blue collar" not a $7 burger flipper.  And, there are technical, engineering, and "front office" job which require a college degree and would be considered "white collar."  It really is a shame that Johnson & Johnson closed, and I do wonder if a lack of skilled workers -though never stated- was a reason why.  I also wonder if it is a factor in no significant companies yet to emerge from the Carilion Biomedical Institute, which I considered the best economic development idea of the past 25 years as it attempted to build on what exists and seems like a solid business idea.<br /><br />Roanoke simply isn't going to have an economy like Northern Virginia or Charlotte based on a "pure" non-medical white collar industry like banking/finance or software development.  For a variety of reasons, those industries are increasingly migrating to large cities.  Roanoke will do well to hold onto what it has.  (See the Advance Auto Parts saga.)  I know it's not the city that Roanoke usually looks towards, but it's interesting to compare Roanoke and Lynchburg.  Since 1980 to 2006, the Lynchburg MSA has increased in population from 182,207 to 223,917, which is 22.9%.  Since 1980 to 2006, the Roanoke MSA (using the current definition) has increased in populaton from 260,081 to 295,530, which is 13.6%.  If Roanoke had matched Lynchburg's growth rate, the Roanoke MSA would have a population of 319,618.  That's 24,088 more or roughly the population of Salem.  While Lynchburg would hardly be called a boom-town, it's clearly been doing better than Roanoke.  And, with Lynchburg's nuclear industry possibly poised to take advantage of the deposit in Pittsylvania County, the gap could grow.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:54:34 -0600</pubDate>
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		<title>Roanoke development</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The City wants to sell the Market building to private developers according to this Richmond Times dispatch story:<br /><br /><a href='http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-01-26-0034.html'  target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outgoing/www_inrich_com');">http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-co...01-26-0034.html</a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:29:01 -0600</pubDate>
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