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	<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>6th Street and Seward area developments</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that was the plan all along.  With the re-branding of Klingmans, the Other Store became redundant competition, canibalizing it's own sales. No real biggy here.<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Google Fiber</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Karen,<br />
The whole idea with getting as many people on the fan page and the event is to show Google that the people of Grand Rapids want and will support the super fast fiber connection that they want to test. The large number of supportors shows Google that they can make a profit in this area above the cost of intalling the fiber network here.<br />
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~John<br />
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<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1109078'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2010a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>Veloise, on 14 March 2010 - 07:54 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>The idea of the "flashmob" event is confusing to me. Exactly what is it going to accomplish? Is Google invited? So they get several hundred (or thousand) folks DT dressed in one of Google's colors...what's the return on investment for the corporate benefactor?<br />
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While I am still in the "fan" group on FB, I had to hide their updates (something like ten per day, and reiterated by the usual suspects). Things got aggravating when a community advocate asked a legitimate question, and was pounced on by respondents who implied that the project will cure the case of cancer that he'll eventually contract. (No kidding. Google cures cancer -- I read it on teh interwebs!)</div></div><br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Google Fiber</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1109059'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2010a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>temporary.name, on 14 March 2010 - 02:59 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>This whole "effort" to attract Google to cities (not just GR) seems cheesy and almost exclusively groupthink. ...<br />
I'm disheartened by the herd mentality that has recently taken over the internet infrastructure discussion more so in everyday conversation than on here.  ...</div></div><br />
The idea of the "flashmob" event is confusing to me. Exactly what is it going to accomplish? Is Google invited? So they get several hundred (or thousand) folks DT dressed in one of Google's colors...what's the return on investment for the corporate benefactor?<br />
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While I am still in the "fan" group on FB, I had to hide their updates (something like ten per day, and reiterated by the usual suspects). Things got aggravating when a community advocate asked a legitimate question, and was pounced on by respondents who implied that the project will cure the case of cancer that he'll eventually contract. (No kidding. Google cures cancer -- I read it on teh interwebs!)<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title> Photos De Jour - Grand Rapids and West Michigan Area</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here are a few of my favorite photos from the first Hell Yes Sprints in Grand Rapids.<br />
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Hosted by HopCat in downtown Grand Rapid, who knew that bicyclists and beer went together so well?  Three riders at a time compete in a 500m sprint for 15-25 seconds of effort/pain/adrenaline in a race to anaerobic respiration. The crowd cheers wildly (<a href='http://flic.kr/p/7KvRRi' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://flic.kr/p/7KvRRi</a><a href='http://flic.kr/p/7KvRRi )' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>)</a>, yelling at all the cyclists to pedal faster and harder!<br />
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Cheaterstache!<br />
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Cycling shoes not required<br />
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Google Fiber</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[This whole "effort" to attract Google to cities (not just GR) seems cheesy and almost exclusively groupthink. I bet 10 dollars that 80% of those 20,000 Facebook fans have never once searched for a flac file, downloaded 14GBs off Steam, or uploaded a 30 minute 1080p mp4. Not because their internet connection is slow but because they've never had the inclination, use for, or knowledge to do so. 20-somethings who think they're trendy by sitting at coffee shops all day surfing Facebook do not need a 1gb/s connection. Would it be nice just to have the option? Yea, but other parts of the internet need work first. <br />
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The entire "improving the last mile" discussion is disingenuous. Anyone who has ever run a trace route (start &gt; run &gt; "cmd" &gt; "tracert www.google.com") knows that the last mile is just ONE of a dozen hops (generally) that packets have to go through. DNS servers, backbone switches, transoceanic fiber queues. They all add to the latency and realistic available bandwidth of a home user's internet connection. If a packet travels through 12 hops to it's destination and the last mile (first two hops) is 4ms at 1gb/s BUT the last 9 hops average a latency of 128ms and a speed of 200mbit/s...thats as fast as that connection is going. No ifs, ands, or buts. <br />
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Also a bit of information that is dishonestly looked over: you can only download as fast as someone can upload to you. Example: Steam has a very robust supply of bandwidth for it's <a href='http://store.steampowered.com/stats/content/' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>content servers</a> at an estimated 200,000mbits/s. That's 200gb/s. So Steam, with a very healthy bandwidth supply, could only handle, AT MOST, 200 Google Fiber users downloading at top speed all at once. That is a horrendously low amount of users considering the stress those content servers experience when new games are released. Talk about a Denial of Service attack. Steam has over 3 million users and is growing exponentially. <br />
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The internet was never designed to be "efficient" as so many of these cities think Google Fiber will bring. It was designed to allow for failure and you've certainly experienced that design. Ever get a 404 page? Ever experience lag in a online multiplayer game? Ever get a connection timeout cause a vital information packet never made it to it's destination? Of course you have! You use the internet. <br />
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The real discussion, very much removed from Google, should be about transitioning the social conversation towards forcing city governments to treat internet infrastructure the same way they treat sewers, roadways, and electrical grids: as a public interest. Anything else is just the herd making noise about nonsensical, inane, and incoherent "problems." <br />
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I <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzAG-LC-HLE' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>see</a> <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vaou88wyyc' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>city</a> <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVcPTr_kBSI' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>leaders</a> drooling over Google Fiber but theres no mention of GR building it's own fiber network; becoming it's own ISP for residents. I'm disheartened by the herd mentality that has recently taken over the internet infrastructure discussion more so in everyday conversation than on here. <br />
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<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1107112'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2010a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>gvstudent, on 23 February 2010 - 09:51 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>I know the health/medical industry could benefit from Google Fiber but how would the film industry?</div></div><br />
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Shoot scene on location in GR, upload raw hi def footage to a editing company in LA, company edits, and sends back to director on set in GR to look over. At 12000 × 8700 theoretical pixels, IMAX movies have much more pixel density than a 1080p blu-ray movie at 1920 x 1080. More pixel density means larger amounts of data. A blu-ray disc has a unclear limit but 200GB discs are available so you can image the size of a uncompressed IMAX movie in it's full resolution glory and not shrunken down to measly blu-ray standards. I know not every movie is shot in IMAX but even traditional actual film movies (the original film) have much higher resolutions than whats compressed onto a blu-ray or DVD.<br />
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As for everyone saying "movies and TV shows should be online"; Mark Cuban hits the nail right on the head in my opinion:<br />
<strong class='bbc'><a href='http://blogmaverick.com/2010/03/13/dont-waste-the-internet-on-tv-protect-the-future-of-the-internet/' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>Don’t Waste the Internet on TV – Protect the Future of the Internet</a></strong><br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Tea</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1108874'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2010a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>John E, on 11 March 2010 - 05:16 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>Okay, I guess I'll test the waters with this teabag for your cup:<br />
<a href='http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=685' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=685</a><br />
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I highly recommend the tea at Global Infusion, as well as The Sparrows.<br />
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[D&#38;W &#34;Plans at some point, some year&#34; to build $8 million Fresh Market on lot they abandoned east of Medical Mile]]></title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1109031'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2010a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>winjer, on 14 March 2010 - 04:42 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>I live in Ann Arbor where we have all of these stores, and all I can tell you is that Plum is ridiculously expensive. Trader Joe's is much more reasonable.</div></div><br />
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Wal-Mart is cheaper than D&W too. <img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /><br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Google Fiber</title>
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 Sean,<br />
It is Google Fiber for Grand Rapids and can be found here:<br />
<a href='http://www.facebook.com/pages/Google-Fiber-for-Grand-Rapids/324192728477' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://www.facebook.com/pages/Google-Fiber-for-Grand-Rapids/324192728477</a><br />
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They are on Twitter here:<br />
<a href='http://www.twitter.com/GoogleFiber4GR' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'><span style='color: #3b5998'>http://www.twitter.com/Goo</span>gleFiber4GR</a><br />
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The official website is:<br />
<a href='http://www.goog616.com/' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://www.goog616.com/</a><br />
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[D&#38;W &#34;Plans at some point, some year&#34; to build $8 million Fresh Market on lot they abandoned east of Medical Mile]]></title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1108440'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2010a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>radicaljoy, on 07 March 2010 - 02:22 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>re: Plum's<br />
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Looked at the website -- wondered who the brothers were (I used to work in that industry). Jonna rang a bell - and sure enough, they were from Merchant of Vino. Can't remember the sequence of it all . . .  <br />
Fresh Fields, Wild Oats and Whole Foods all came to the midwest within a few years of each other. Whole Foods took over Fresh Fields. Merchant of Vino was taken over/purchased by them (not certain if it was before or after FF was taken over by WF). The Jonna's probably had to sign a non-compete for a given period which has now expired.<br />
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Fresh Fields was east coast, Wild Oats was Colorado, Whole Foods is headquartered in Austin TX.<br />
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I'd much rather see Plum's come to GR than Trader Joe's (swiss/german/dutch? owned) or Whole Foods.</div></div><br />
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I live in Ann Arbor where we have all of these stores, and all I can tell you is that Plum is ridiculously expensive. Trader Joe's is much more reasonable.<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Google Fiber</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ive seen where Grand Rapids has 20k people in the facebook group but, I cannot find the group on facebook...  whats the deal?<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There's an article in the March 22 issue of BusinessWeek about the competition between cities for Google broadband.  The Grand Rapids effort gets a slight mention near the end.<br />
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Their title - not mine:<br />
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<a href='http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_12/b4171030582587.htm?chan=magazine+channel_new+business' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>Brownnosing for Google Broadband</a><br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 04:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[St. Andrew's/Cathedral Square]]></title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<span style='color: #1C2837'><span style='font-family: tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif'><span style='font-size: 13px;'>"My guess is surface parking. Or maybe if we really dream big, a plaza"        btw, how do you highlight what other people have written?  </span></span></span><br />
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<span style='font-family: tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif'><span style='font-size: 15px;'><span style='color: #1C2837'><span style='font-size: 13px;'>Yea, that area needs some more surface parking!!!  lol  I was walking through there with my dog today to look at the old Perry building...oh I mean the hole in the ground, and man o man does that whole area just feel empty as a pedestrian.  It isn't that bad when you're in a car driving through past the hospital but when you walk through on foot it seems really desolate and kind of depressing.  </span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style='font-family: tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif'><span style='font-size: 15px;'><span style='color: #1C2837'><span style='font-size: 13px;'>BTW, what is going on with that whole area where the Perry used to be?  I know there's a forum on that somewhere here, i'll have to find it.</span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style='font-family: tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif'><span style='font-size: 15px;'><span style='color: #1C2837'><span style='font-size: 13px;'>No real good ideas from me about that whole CC/St. Andrews situation but it would be nice to have something there other than more open land.  </span></span></span></span><br />
<span style='font-family: tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif'><span style='font-size: 15px;'><span style='color: #1C2837'><span style='font-size: 13px;'>What about a community college extension? performing arts center for the school? fieldhouse type thing? wheres the nearest hockey rink anyways aside from VA? a giant statue of me? Family Dollar? pumpkin patch? yea, surface parking</span></span></span></span><br />
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Where nature meets decay</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Got a couple new gadgets for my bike. Well, I guess an iphone bike mount and a tail-light aren't technically gadgets, but now I'm able to locate myself on a map, get directions, and track my routes/speeds/distances/times/accumulated total climbing/descending height... and do so more safely with my little red taillight. <br />
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[St. Andrew's/Cathedral Square]]></title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1108766'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2010a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>droonus2000, on 10 March 2010 - 04:02 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>I'd say open up a Catholic only apartment building, but i'm sure it would violate some laws.</div></div><br />
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HAHAHA!!! That could get a little "cultish." Funny comment!<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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<strong class='bbc'><strong class='bbc'>Encouraging Movie Producers to Hire Local Talent</a></strong></strong><br />
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Helen DeVos Childrens Hospital Pedestrian Bridge being moved into place on Saturday, March 13, 2010.<br />
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<strong class='bbc'>More from today on Flickr:</strong><br />
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1108933'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2010a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>wingbert, on 12 March 2010 - 02:32 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>Surprised nobody has talked about Israels closing The Other Store.<br />
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<a href='http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/grand_rapids/Israels-closes-Other-Store-restructures' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>Israels Closes Other Store, restructures</a></div></div><br />
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Sad news. It's nice no one is losing their job, but those jobs are moving to the suburbs.<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surprised nobody has talked about Israels closing The Other Store.<br />
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<a href='http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/grand_rapids/Israels-closes-Other-Store-restructures' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>Israels Closes Other Store, restructures</a><br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title> Photos De Jour - Grand Rapids and West Michigan Area</title>
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West Leonard Christian Reformed Church:<br />
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hackley park in autumn:<br />
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[It's all about the bike]]></title>
		<link><![CDATA[http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=46952&view=findpost&p=1108907]]></link>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1108715'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2010a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>Veloise, on 10 March 2010 - 07:53 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>Google Maps now has a bicycling travel option. It's in beta, but it works.<br />
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And when it routes you down, say, the east beltline, you can report that back to Google for future corrections.</div></div><br />
Some interesting results. Here are comments from a few far-flung friends (home state first): <br />
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<strong class='bbc'>AZ:</strong> Google Bike Maps (http://maps.google.com/biking) rolled out today. Seems to work OK for urban trips in the Phoenix metro area. Having way more fun plugging in inter-city trips (like Phoenix to Flagstaff) and seeing how each of the suggested routes would be a one-way trip to the side of a milk carton. <img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /><br />
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Some of the roads that Google wants to send me down aren't really there - which is a Bad Thing in the middle of a very unforgiving desert. And only a few miles away is a freeway with a perfectly legal shoulder to ride on. <br />
Just to put things in perspective, it seems to be doing OK on recommending decent routes in the urban area, where it'll get the most use.<br />
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<strong class='bbc'>FL:</strong> Within Orlando, not looking too good. Finds "bike facilities" regardless of quality and at the expense of better routes. Links them together with roads I would avoid. Been testing it against my routes... ranges from not quite ideal to "what were they thinking?"<br />
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I love Google's mapping software... the streetview and satellite are terrific resources. I hope they will improve the bike mapping, but I saw some results that make me think they've built it on the worst of cycling ignorance.<br />
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One section of a route was clearly drawn on the sidewalks and across crosswalks where there were no bike facilities. It led the rider to a nonexistent sidepath, then down that sidewalk against traffic, then a shoulder of a 6-lane arterial, then ooops, the rider was dumped into an interchange where she would have to cross 2 lanes of high speed traffic entering a freeway. Bizarre - find the most facilities, then dump the rider into what would be an impassable obstacle for someone who "needs" facilities. I'm going to do a writeup on that particular route and send it to them...<br />
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<strong class='bbc'>PA:</strong> I tried a 6-miler (my house to Emmaus) and a 50-miler (my house to Media, PA). In the 6-miler, it had me make a hairpin-right turn at the bottom of an 18 percent grade. For the 50-miler, it gave me the option of going slightly out of my way to ride on a rail trail. It chose roads I know to be less desirable than the routes I use in that area.<br />
If anyone can make continuous improvements, it's Google.<br />
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<strong class='bbc'>CA:</strong> Currently, they lump facilities and terrain and traffic together, and the route selection algorithm prefers more, less, and less, respectively. I suggested (a few years ago when this was under initial development and open to internal suggestions) that they separate those three preferences. That wouldn't complicate the algorithm at all, but it would clutter the user interface. This is really pretty good for a first release, and perhaps they'll find a good way to expose those preference settings in a later version.<br />
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My favorite commute route takes me the entire length of Foothill Expressway, an excellent place to cover distance on a road bike, with few intersections, excellent pavement, and good sight lines. But it carries lots of traffic and has a 45mph speed limit. The algorithm routed me instead via a hodge-podge of neighborhood streets and multi-use paths, on which I would never be able to sustain a high enough cruise speed for long enough to get me to work in a useful amount of time. So if I were to depend upon this suggestion, I would actually be discouraged from riding to the office.<br />
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<strong class='bbc'>UT:</strong> I tested my 2.3 mi commute. The way I go has 7 turns and two stop signs, all on 2 lane 25mph residential streets The way they chose has 16 turns and one stop sign, and stair-steps through the neighborhoods. By comparison, the pedestrian route has 5 turns, goes down a big hill and back up and includes several blocks past a gravel pit where there is no shoulder or sidewalk. (they warn that they don't know about sidewalks). And the car route goes down and up a steep hill. All routes cover the same 2.3 miles.<br />
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Closer to home, here's their recommended route to cross the straits: <a href='http://tinyurl.com/yg57a48' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://tinyurl.com/yg57a48</a><br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well you know, there's an old saying in Michigan - I know it's in Texas, probably in Michigan - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1108763'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2010a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>francishsu, on 10 March 2010 - 03:51 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>What's curious is that Faust just wants the city to endorse the concept of the plan at this time, like some kind of hypothetical exercise.  What's the whole purpose of that?  Is there any danger of lawsuit if the city just flat out rejects the concept?  I don't understand why he's making this fantasy proposal.  I do know it stinks to high heaven.</div></div><br />
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He wants to be able to put in his marketing proposal that it's "endorsed by the City of Grand Rapids."  It's his modus operandi.  He gets these other organizations to all say they're on board, at least conceptually, and then he touts them as full partners on the deal.  Then you go back and ask them and they're like "whoa, we're not a partner yet."<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just did my part with the Google/GR Nomination piece.  Here's the text from my submission:<br />
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<em class='bbc'><strong class='bbc'>"As one of the most rapidly growing cities and regions of Midwest America with one of the most diverse economies (including the new industries of bio-technology, motion picture/film production, alternative energy, urban music and automotive electric battery production), Metropolitan Grand Rapids is well-positioned to offer a suitably impressive showcase for the new Google fiberoptic technology.  With additional regional assets such as a metro population of 1.2 million people, an emerging world-class downtown area, high-profile educational institutions (Grand Valley State University, Michigan State University Medical School, Cooley Law School, Kendall College of Art & Design), an expanded airport with multiple low-cost carriers (Gerald R. Ford International Airport), a world-class bio-technology district (i.e. - Medical Mile w/ Spectrum Health, VanAndel Research Institute, Lemmen-Holton Cancer Pavilion, Helen DeVos Children's Hospital, GVSU Health Sciences Center), 52 miles of Lake Michigan beachfront (30 minutes west of downtown Grand Rapids) and a geographic placement midway between Chicago and Detroit (two-hour drive west and east respectively), Metro Grand Rapids is sure to produce many benefits for Google as its testbed region."</strong></em><br />
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I hope it helps turn their heads our way.  GO METRO GR!   <img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_emoticons/default/camera.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':camera:' /><br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Athletics facility includes about everything except a pool and hockey rink unless they have built them since the fieldhouse opened about 2 years ago which was the last time i toured the place. though I have heard from people in the department, that they want there own Hockey rink. <br />
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Regarding St. Andrews, does CC needs more classrooms, does the Diocese need more office space. I'd say open up a Catholic only apartment building, but i'm sure it would violate some laws.<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[What's curious is that Faust just wants the city to endorse the concept of the plan at this time, like some kind of hypothetical exercise.  What's the whole purpose of that?  Is there any danger of lawsuit if the city just flat out rejects the concept?  I don't understand why he's making this fantasy proposal.  I do know it stinks to high heaven.<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1108656'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2010a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>andrew69@ltu, on 09 March 2010 - 04:49 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>The third unit was being framed out on the first floor as of the last week of January.  (Sorry, I neglected to bring a camera with me).  It's probably totally enclosed now.</div></div><br />
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Yes, it is totally enclosed now and windows are now installed! I don't have recent pictures uploaded yet, so I can't show it. Work on the fourth unit should start in the coming weeks.<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Baker College Culinary Arts to build Downtown Muskegon</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1108655'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2010a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>andrew69@ltu, on 09 March 2010 - 04:47 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>Pretty decent looking building.  I saw it in person back in January when I was in the area for a few days.  I have to say that the plaza looks like an awful lot of wasted space unless it gets some benches and plantings.  Looks like a missed opportunity to me.</div></div><br />
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There is a lot of concrete in the plaza, I agree, but the picture I posted of the finished building doesn't show the finished plaza. There were indeed benches added. Here is a most updated picture of the plaza I took a few months ago:<br />
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[St. Andrew's/Cathedral Square]]></title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From what I remember from a few years ago, Catholic Central swam at the YMCA and they have a field house and facilities on the corner of Knapp and Leffingwell.<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Where nature meets decay</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1087621'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2010a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>Veloise, on 04 September 2009 - 06:08 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>Hey, how about that abandoned Western-themed restaurant in Wyoming? Just south of 28th Street (can't recall the road it's on). Looks like the railroad came through one town over and everything shut down, even the saloon.</div></div><br />
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This past winter one of the faux storefronts was peeling off the building and may have (don't recall) collapsed onto the ground.  Demolition crews showed up Monday and the building is now gone.<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Grand Rapids Airport (GRR) News and Developments</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[All these price reductions make one wonder if the airport will retain its distinction as the second most expensive airport nationwide.<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[St. Andrew's/Cathedral Square]]></title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few years ago, I seem to remember that there was a long term plan to build a sparkling new replacement LEED certified school for St. Andrews adjacent to this building and then tearing this building down. <br />
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While building a replacement building is clearly not in the cards, tearing this building down most likely is.  So I suspect that many things could be done to this building to keep it as a part of the fabric....but I highly doubt that anything will.  <br />
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My guess is surface parking.  Or maybe if we really dream big, a plaza.<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[St. Andrew's/Cathedral Square]]></title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember Catholic Central had classes in St. Andrew's basement even after the math building was added on to. I don't know CC's current enrollment numbers and I assume they're declining, but St. Andrew's is small and could be half-way renovated for use by CC. Heck, maybe even West and CC could consolidate but then what would Coach T do for pep rallies?<br />
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As for saving; it totally should be. It's not architecturally significant but it does blend well with the CC/diocese's campus. <br />
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CC does not have a pool on site (except the one on the roof...yes, I still remember that old joke) or a full performing arts center. There is a band room (kinda cramped) in the gym building.<br />
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I don't believe there's enough money there for a brand new building to replace St. Andrew's unless something drastic happens (i.e. Peter Wege finds another $4 million or West Catholic and Catholic Central consolidate and West's property is sold off). Granted, I know nothing of the diocese's financial situation other than heresy.<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Mystery Project Redux</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1108712'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2010a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>Gorath, on 10 March 2010 - 07:23 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>...Check out the video at the bottom of the press article provided by Fox 17, they give props to you guys here at Urban Planet.  I wonder what the investigations in other states is?</div></div><br />
"We're just not sure what to make of this new plan this time around." <br />
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Um... paper airplanes?<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[It's all about the bike]]></title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Google Maps now has a bicycling travel option. It's in beta, but it works.<br />
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And when it routes you down, say, the east beltline, you can report that back to Google for future corrections.<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Mystery Project Redux</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Faust was in Grand Rapids before the city commission to answer questions.  It's a real proposal and not a prank.  Just not a very realistic proposal.  (And I was wanting it to be a prank.)<br />
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<a href='http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2010/03/mystery_project_developer_duan_1.html' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>Duane Faust is grilled by Grand Rapids City Commission</a><br />
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Check out the video at the bottom of the press article provided by Fox 17, they give props to you guys here at Urban Planet.  I wonder what the investigations in other states is?<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Grand Rapids Airport (GRR) News and Developments</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1108613'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2010a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>Explorer55, on 09 March 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>. . . just as a follow up, the cost of n&#111;nstop flights between Denver and GR on United has dropped by $200 or more roundtrip since Frontier started flying n&#111;nstop between the two cities and offering much lower fares. That makes me very happy.  <img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_emoticons/default/yahoo.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /></div></div><br />
It's not just Denver either.  The prices to cities that Frontier connects to out of Denver dropped by about $200 too.  The day before the Frontier announcement I was checking round-trip prices to Salt Lake City in May.  The lowest prices were at least $500 when taxes were included.  By the day after the announcement most airlines had dropped to as low as $258 (about $300 with taxes.)  I booked my tickets this past Monday.  I would like to have rewarded Frontier with my business but I will be on a tight schedule so I went with Delta since their flights worked a lot better for me.<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>walker</author>
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		<title><![CDATA[St. Andrew's/Cathedral Square]]></title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Perry was a building worth saving - St. Andrew's School is not. I don't know what the classroom needs are for Catholic Central or what the diocese can afford but a new building on that site would get my vote. Does Catholic Central have a swimming pool on campus? How about a performing arts center? The GR Diocese has done an amazing job so far in the transformation of that area, this would be another step in the direction of eventually tying Catholic Central/Cathedral Square to the St.Mary's complex.<br><br><b>View information on projects and add your own in our new Project Database: [<a href="http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/page/databases/project_db">Link</a>]</b>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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