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	<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Tavern on the Square - Ionia Ave</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really like the one on Washington square in Lansing, it used to be one of my favs when i lived there. I didnt realize it was the same owners as Grand Woods Lodge<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>GR8scott</author>
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		<title>Community Gardens</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?s=02821dfc31cea276f1772f411cc1f782&app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1097303'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>FilmMaker, on 20 November 2009 - 09:28 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>I've been aware of the community garden concept for a long time, but never gave it much thought until I heard a recent NPR segment on the topic.  What caught my attention was the notion that churches often have some of the largest green spaces in urban areas.  Also of interest to me in this report were the variety of approaches different people were taking to the operation of community gardens in these spaces.<br />
<br />
As a council member of my local church, it struck me that we have a bunch of open space at our church that would be ideal for a large garden.  Furthermore, there seem to be several ways we could approach a community garden:<br />
<br />
1. We simply make garden space available to neighbors (probably not effective since our neighbors have adequate space and their economic need is not great enough).<br />
2. We install the garden, church members perform all the necessary duties and we then arrange to provide the crops to local food banks or shelters (the "we do it all ourselves" option).<br />
3. We install a garden and have our church elementary school students use it as both a curriculum opportunity and a community service experience ("we do it all ourselves" with an educational benefit).<br />
4. We provide our space to a local organization who has experience with this kind of thing and who has the distribution infrastructure in place to achieve maximum efficacy (we provide the space and let "professionals" do it better than we can ourselves).<br />
<br />
Or... maybe the answer is some sort of mix of the above?<br />
<br />
I'd be very interested in any direct experiences or knowledge others can share on this subject.  I think our congregation could be very interested in pursuing this concept but I also know that we could expend a ton of energy and fall way short of its potential if our execution is flawed from the start.  There seem to be a lot of potential pitfalls if we don't do our homework:  What crops are most needed by the demographic in need?  Are there health department issues? How would the distribution model work? Are there any liability issues?  And as a former Planning Commissioner, I have to wonder about zoning issues?  and... what if we end up pursuing this in a way that nobody has ever done before in this area?  I'd hate for an effort like this to fall prey to unforeseen resistance or bureaucratic complexity...<br />
<br />
Eager to hear everyone's thoughts...  and would love to find an "expert" or two who might be willing to explore this with us.<br />
Thanks in advance!</div></div><br />
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Filmmaker,<br />
First off, let me say that I think that it is fantastic that you are thinking about this project and how your church's extra land can become a productive part of your community.<br />
<br />
Here are a couple of resources off the top of my head for you to explore as you figure out how you want to approach this.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Charlie Snedeker is one of the heads of the Harvest for Heartside project.  This group has overseen the development of a small community garden in <a href='http://www.rapidgrowthmedia.com/devnews/garden0524.aspx' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>Heartside Park</a> in downtown (where land is definitely at a premium).  They also organized the dispersal of fresh produce on Thursday evening grown in residents' backyards, the Heartside Garden, and a few local farms.  A lot of the communication for those events was done through <a href='http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=71021947272' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>their Facebook page</a>.  You can also call Charlie at <span style='font-size: 13px;'><span style='font-family: Arial'>(616) 706-zero903.  He's a really nice guy and loves to share his passion for gardening.</span></span><br />
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Other resources would be the Greater Grand Rapids Food Systems Council.  <a href='http://www.foodshed.net/' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://www.foodshed.net/</a>  They produce an annual guide to local food and may be aware of any programs similar to what you envision in the local area that you could use as a model and/or collaborate with.<br />
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Also, I think that the City of Grand Rapids is exploring some ways that they can encourage these types of activities through zoning changes and such.  You may have heard about the citizens committee pushing for an ordinance allowing residential hens that goes along the same lines.  I don't know how far along the pipeline these changes are, but the city of Grand Rapids seems receptive to these ideas.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>fotoman311</author>
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		<title>Community Gardens</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I've been aware of the community garden concept for a long time, but never gave it much thought until I heard a recent NPR segment on the topic.  What caught my attention was the notion that churches often have some of the largest green spaces in urban areas.  Also of interest to me in this report were the variety of approaches different people were taking to the operation of community gardens in these spaces.<br />
<br />
As a council member of my local church, it struck me that we have a bunch of open space at our church that would be ideal for a large garden.  Furthermore, there seem to be several ways we could approach a community garden:<br />
<br />
1. We simply make garden space available to neighbors (probably not effective since our neighbors have adequate space and their economic need is not great enough).<br />
2. We install the garden, church members perform all the necessary duties and we then arrange to provide the crops to local food banks or shelters (the "we do it all ourselves" option).<br />
3. We install a garden and have our church elementary school students use it as both a curriculum opportunity and a community service experience ("we do it all ourselves" with an educational benefit).<br />
4. We provide our space to a local organization who has experience with this kind of thing and who has the distribution infrastructure in place to achieve maximum efficacy (we provide the space and let "professionals" do it better than we can ourselves).<br />
<br />
Or... maybe the answer is some sort of mix of the above?<br />
<br />
I'd be very interested in any direct experiences or knowledge others can share on this subject.  I think our congregation could be very interested in pursuing this concept but I also know that we could expend a ton of energy and fall way short of its potential if our execution is flawed from the start.  There seem to be a lot of potential pitfalls if we don't do our homework:  What crops are most needed by the demographic in need?  Are there health department issues? How would the distribution model work? Are there any liability issues?  And as a former Planning Commissioner, I have to wonder about zoning issues?  and... what if we end up pursuing this in a way that nobody has ever done before in this area?  I'd hate for an effort like this to fall prey to unforeseen resistance or bureaucratic complexity...<br />
<br />
Eager to hear everyone's thoughts...  and would love to find an "expert" or two who might be willing to explore this with us.<br />
Thanks in advance!<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>FilmMaker</author>
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		<title>Tavern on the Square - Ionia Ave</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?s=02821dfc31cea276f1772f411cc1f782&app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1097226'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>GR Town Planner, on 19 November 2009 - 08:40 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>The new brick knee walls are being removed.  They were not installed per HPC guidelines - note the projection of the knee walls past the existing brick pilasters.  This brick infill, if properly installed would have been recessed a few inches and been a lot less obnoxious.  The knee walls were installed this way because the masons allegedly did not want (or said it was not possible) to cut a few bricks in the corner to avoid a sprinkler riser (which the building did not even require).  So they ended up projecting the walls to avoid the riser in one isolated location and then the decision was made in the field to do all the walls this way.<br />
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I believe the plan is to remove the brick and replace it with an panelized system of wood or wood-like substance which will be painted.</div></div><br />
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wood? seriously wood? *slaps forehead<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>The Factory</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?s=02821dfc31cea276f1772f411cc1f782&app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1097228'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>Veloise, on 19 November 2009 - 11:07 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>Browsing their <em class='bbc'>awesome </em>site. Looks like there's an <em class='bbc'>awesome</em>** contest to give away several multi-month memberships.<br />
<br />
**I don't talk like that, but they do. Hey, a new drinking game!</div></div><br />
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Their website looks remarkably similar to the the one that "The Collective" had when they opened their similar concept space out in Kentwood, complete with workout center and climbing wall.<br />
<br />
I wish them the best and I hope that they are more successful with this incarnation.  It seems like a smaller space to fill and it would have less overhead.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>The State of Downtown Grand Rapids Retail</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?s=02821dfc31cea276f1772f411cc1f782&app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1097216'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>JoeSchmo, on 19 November 2009 - 09:28 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>A couple posts up</div></div><br />
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haha, yes!  I bet that's where I heard about it. <img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /><br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>The Factory</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Browsing their <em class='bbc'>awesome </em>site. Looks like there's an <em class='bbc'>awesome</em>** contest to give away several multi-month memberships.<br />
<br />
**I don't talk like that, but they do. Hey, a new drinking game!<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Veloise</author>
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		<title>Tavern on the Square - Ionia Ave</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?s=02821dfc31cea276f1772f411cc1f782&app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1097190'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>jwazzz, on 19 November 2009 - 12:03 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>It looks awful - I can't believe that this will be the finished product.</div></div><br />
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The new brick knee walls are being removed.  They were not installed per HPC guidelines - note the projection of the knee walls past the existing brick pilasters.  This brick infill, if properly installed would have been recessed a few inches and been a lot less obnoxious.  The knee walls were installed this way because the masons allegedly did not want (or said it was not possible) to cut a few bricks in the corner to avoid a sprinkler riser (which the building did not even require).  So they ended up projecting the walls to avoid the riser in one isolated location and then the decision was made in the field to do all the walls this way.<br />
<br />
I believe the plan is to remove the brick and replace it with an panelized system of wood or wood-like substance which will be painted.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>GR Town Planner</author>
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		<title>The State of Downtown Grand Rapids Retail</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?s=02821dfc31cea276f1772f411cc1f782&app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1093223'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>GRBluefan, on 15 October 2009 - 07:55 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>Haven't seen it mentioned here yet, but a new Jimmy John's looks just about ready to open on Monroe in the Brassworks building (north side of the building - ground floor).  Seems a bit close to the one on Monroe Center, but I suppose that there are a lot of people that will find that location more convenient than dealing with the downtown spot.  I think it will be a nice addition to the North Monroe area for sure.<br />
<br />
On a personal note, I look out my office window directly at the new site, and it just makes me constantly want a #5 with banana peppers.</div></div><br />
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A couple posts up<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>JoeSchmo</author>
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		<title>The State of Downtown Grand Rapids Retail</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know I'd heard something about it...maybe on the radio?  I went by there the other day on my to 1120 Monroe.  If/when the new hotel goes in, opening this here will look like a great idea.  That's if they can stay open until then from the business they can draw up Monroe and the local residents and workers.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>fotoman311</author>
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		<title>The State of Downtown Grand Rapids Retail</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn't know, either.  I'm a bit surprised to see a location there.  I hope it does well.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Tavern on the Square - Ionia Ave</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It looks awful - I can't believe that this will be the finished product.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>jwazzz</author>
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		<title>Sonic Burger</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?s=02821dfc31cea276f1772f411cc1f782&app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1097126'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>tSlater, on 18 November 2009 - 04:09 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>On the issue of pedestrian connectivity -- the on-and-off ramps at 44th & 96 have been being worked on.  They seem to be finished, and I discovered that there are NO crosswalks -at all-, nor any pedestrian signals.  I had to cross a 3/4 lane onramp using the traffic lights as a guide and hope that the light remained red long enough for me to get across.<br />
<br />
Beaten trails in the grass leading up to the overpass showed a demand for pedestrian access, but it is not provided.  I then had to walk on a 3-foot shoulder along this realistically 50mph road over the bridge because no sidewalk is provided anywhere, and then cross another lane of traffic with no crosswalk or signal.</div></div><br />
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You'll be happy to know that this stretch is listed as a priority area in the GVMC's Draft Non-Motorized plan from 2006. <img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /><br />
See page 16: <a href='http://www.gvmc.org/transportation/documents/nonmotorized/2006%20Non-Motorized%20Plan.pdf' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://www.gvmc.org/...ized%20Plan.pdf</a><br />
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Also, from the plan in the "Measuring Demand for Non-Motorized Transportation" section (page 8):<br />
<p class='citation'>Quote</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>Other non-motorized trips are difficult to measure due to<br />
lack of data. People are walking and biking but who are they? Where are people going<br />
and what is the purpose of their trips? Related to that, are there amenities available to<br />
serve those who prefer to walk? If not, would the availability of amenities encourage<br />
more walking trips?<br />
These questions are tough to answer except through anecdotal evidence. Within the<br />
Grand Valley Metro Council Transportation Planning Process, comments are received<br />
addressing the need for non-motorized facilities in busy commercial and residential areas.<br />
<strong class='bbc'>The provision of connected non-motorized facilities or an integrated network of facilities</strong><br />
<strong class='bbc'>has also been cited as a priority in transportation surveys distributed by the Metro</strong><br />
<strong class='bbc'>Council.</strong></div></div><br />
<br />
<br />
It's pretty easy to say there's no demand for bicycling and walking facilities when our regional, state, and national transportation planners completely ignore the question and don't bother to measure how many people are using these modes of transportation.  Except, when they DO actually ask, there IS a demand!  You get the same answer from the National Association of Realtors.  When they poll their members, around 3/4ths say that their customers value having a walkable neighborhood.<br />
<br />
Maybe this subject needs its own topic?  Actually, it probably already has one in the Green Grand Rapids Connections thread...<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Tavern on the Square - Ionia Ave</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow, I think it looks terrible.... The old brick with off colored paints and the such COULD be cool but it almost has to be done perfectly. However, the new brick makes the whole building look cheap (i think that's the word I am looking for). They should have used wrought iron or something instead of the bricks.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Crescent Park to get makeover</title>
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		<guid><![CDATA[http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=47149&view=findpost&p=1097174]]></guid>
		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?s=02821dfc31cea276f1772f411cc1f782&app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1096784'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>joeDowntown, on 15 November 2009 - 06:18 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>Haven't you heard of the infamous evil plot to takeover the world starting with small pocket parks in medium sized cities? It's all over the Internets... <img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /><br />
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Joe</div></div><br />
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Disappointingly, the "evil globalists" will not be starting their world domination in this particular Grand Rapids pocket park.<br />
<br />
From the Friends of Crescent Park Facebook page:<br />
"<span style='color: #808080'><a href='http://www.facebook.com/pages/Friends-of-Crescent-Park/112848292759?ref=mf' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>Friends of Crescent Park</a> </span>So sorry for not responding sooner! Although the renovations to the park are complete, it will remain closed until Spring 2010 to allow the new plantings to become established. Limiting access and foot traffic now during the fall and winter months will help to ensure that the plants take root and stay healthy for years to come!"<br />
<span style='font-family: lucida grande'><span style='font-size: 15px;'> </span></span> <span style='font-size: 15px;'><span style='color: #333333'><span style='font-size: 13px;'><span style='font-family: Arial'>ArsEcclesiae was correct.  Of course, they wouldn't likely admit to their nefarious plans, so the evil plot may live on in the minds of many.</span></span></span></span><br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Tavern on the Square - Ionia Ave</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?s=02821dfc31cea276f1772f411cc1f782&app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1097135'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>GRDadof3, on 18 November 2009 - 03:57 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>What do you guys think of the new exterior?  It's kinda cool with the old painted ads on the brick, but I'm not sure on the mis-matched new brick so much.  I thought they'd do something to tie them together a bit more. <img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_emoticons/default/dontknow.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dontknow:' /> <br />
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<img src='http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2795/4115035377_7297057a9f_b.jpg' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /><br />
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<img src='http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2639/4115035977_eb21c2988f_b.jpg' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /></div></div><br />
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Maybe it's not done... especially that last photo of the missing bricks seems unfinished to me.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>The Factory</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has anyone heard how they're doing down at the Factory?<br />
<br />
I'm very intrigued by the concept and wish them well.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Tavern on the Square - Ionia Ave</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you guys think of the new exterior?  It's kinda cool with the old painted ads on the brick, but I'm not sure on the mis-matched new brick so much.  I thought they'd do something to tie them together a bit more. <img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_emoticons/default/dontknow.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dontknow:' /> <br />
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<img src='http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2795/4115035377_7297057a9f_b.jpg' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /><br />
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<img src='http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2639/4115035977_eb21c2988f_b.jpg' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /><br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>  Health Hill/Medical Mile Developments</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude.  Where'd all the cranes go?  Where have I been?  The only one left is the Tower 35 (?) crane.   <img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cry:' /><br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>GRDadof3</author>
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		<title>  Health Hill/Medical Mile Developments</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to say that I never much cared for the look of the basement structure to begin with. The bottom doesn't seem to marry with the upper portions of the building at all IMHO.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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