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		<title> St. Johns Town Center</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope to go to St. Johns next month...if I go to Jacksonville. It seems like it would be very nice and its a shame that it does not have any upscale department stores. It is the nicest shopping district in Jacksonville, imo. I think it could have a Nordstrom, but not a Saks or Neimans. <br />
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Yet. <br />
Another thing is that I am pretty sure that Abercrombie & Fitch at The Avenues has closed. That will probably help the St Johns store some.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Tired of waiting!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[How is it looking now?<br />
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It seems to me that Jacksonville probably has one of the more diverse economies in Florida... much less dependent on tourism and spec properties than other cities.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Orlando or Jacksonville</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1083110'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>Charles77, on Aug 8 2009, 05&#58;30 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>I think Jax and Orlando are two very different cities. Orlando is much more cosmopolitan - not just b/c of tourists, but also its ethnic makeup. Orlando started booming in the 1970s so a lot of the locals you see (Whites, blacks, latinos, Asians) are from various regions of the country and the world. Jacksonville, on the other hand, being at the northern tip of the state, close to Georgia, has a much more traditional Southern mix of people. The majority of whites, as is the case with most places in the South, can trace their ancestries to England, Scotland, Ireland, or Germany. Orlando's ethnic makeup is more like that of South FL - lots of whites from up north, which means a lot more people with Italian and East European ancestries mixed in. Orlando's also got a thriving Hispanic population, especially Puerto Ricans, but also Cubans, Colombians, etc. The black population also hails from different parts of the country, as well as the islands. <br />
It's really only in recent years that the population of Jax has started to diversify, and experience a more rapid type of growth. Due to Jax being one of Florida's biggest cities, it hasnt viewed too much as a Southern town, or if it is than it would be considered less conservative than similar sized cities in the South, and more in line with Houston and Atlanta. It's also perceived as much more of a blue collar town when compared to Miami, Orlando, or Tampa, but it's also more affordable. The city's got a lot of potential as it is after all a coastal town, with a lot of room to grow. <br />
If one just looks at population figures you'd think Jax was this bustling city of 800,000 people whereas Miami barely has 400,000. Yet that 800 K figure comprises the entire county of Duval, which is the same as saying Miami has a population of 2.5 million people (Dade County). <br />
Orlando's progress has been so explosive at times that the city hasn't always been able to keep up with the changes. For example, the way its international airport is set up should have been changed years ago. Also, aside from I-4 all you seem to have are toll roads, unlike Tampa with I-75, I-275, I-4, and several toll roads all passing through the city (St. Petersburg is a different story). Part of Orlando's traffic problem arises not just from the toll roads, but by the fact that aside from the 2 million people living in its metro area there's another million or so tourists on any given week. So you've got heavy traffic till 9 from the locals, then as the tourists wake up they take to the roads as well. This is especially prevalent on Fridays, where it seems like there's always an accident and heavy traffic around 1 or 2 in the afternoon. <br />
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I think if we we bringing up all 4 of Florida's major metro areas (Jax, Tampa-St. Pete, Orlando, and South FL) I'd pick South Florida. I mean, this is a site called Urban Planet, and South Florida has always been light years ahead of the rest of FL, or even most of the country, in that sense. It's not just that it's densely populated, but also there's a lot of great places to walk around, especially in Dade County. You've got South Beach with Washington Ave, Lincoln Road, Colllins, and Ocean Drive. Over in downtown Miami you have Flagler an Brickell, and the kind of plans they got going on over there are even more ambitious than what they have planned for Atlanta (Atlanta's Midtown will evantually resemble the magnificent mile, AKA Michigan Ave. in Chicago. There's also the streets of Buckhead project opening in less than a year, and something similar in the suburb of Alpharetta). Another part of Miami is Coconut Grove, which is extremely walkable. Same is true for Coral Gables and even parts of Kendall. All these areas offer numerous stores, restaurants, galleries, and more. I'm not just talking about chain stores or cookie cutter restaurants, but a true variety of retail.<br />
Head north of Miami and you can do more walking in Hollywood, and in Ft. Lauderdale you can walk around the streets along the beach, and continue on Las Olas Boulevard. Personally though I prefer to head even further up north to Palm Beach, which is extremely walkable and a very clean and pretty city. They've also done a great job reviving downtown West Palm Beach as you've got both Clematis, and nearby City Place. <br />
As far as shopping malls go, Orlando has Millenia and Tampa has International Plaza, but South Florida has had those kind of malls long before that. Aventura Mall and the Shops at Bal Harbor in the north Miami Beach area, there's also the Village of Merrick Park in Coral Gables with Dadeland Mall and the Shops at Sunset Place nearby, Town Center in Boca Raton, The Gardens Mall in West Palm Beach, etc.   Orlando also has some amazing outlet malls with Premium Outlets (one of the best Premium Outlets in the country no less) and Belz, but South Florida has Sawgrass Mills, which is HUGE.</div></div><br />
Very well said.  Also, the US Census just reported that Orange County is now a non-minority/non-majority county one of only 2 in Florida.  Apparently that means the Caucasian population in now under 50%.  I think the OC was something like 43% white, 30% Hispanic, 22% Black (which I believe the majority of the black population is now from the Carribbean, and the rest Asian and Middle Eastern.  That gives Orlando a different vibe althogether than Jacksonville, or even Tampa, especially Pinellas County.  Because of the expressway system in Orlando it is a very sprawling place, I remember a few years ago Orlando was voted the #1 worst city in the US for urban sprawl. The CSA population is 2.6 million and the census includes Flagler county in that as well as Sumter county, not too far north of Tampa on I-75.  Although expensive to use, the Orlando metro has the most advanced toll road expressway system in the country, and the locals take it as a cost of living expense, the EPASS express lanes are awesome and most locals that include an expressway in their commute or to get into the city has one. The Turnpike systems SUNPASS is also used on the system, although SUNPASS is just now updating their toll booths to include express lanes and their roads are not usually as well kept as the OrlandoOrangeCounty Expressway Authorities. Another connection Orlando has that adds to it's population is it's relationship with Brevard County and the Space Coast.  Their is a lot of commuting between the the two areas and Brevard and Volusia are covered by the Orlando television market.  <br />
Also, residents in the coastal cities seem to think that Orlando has no beach connection.  Most of the condos in New Smyrna Beach and Cocoa Beach are owned by Orlando residents and depending which side of town you live on, it can take as little as 20-30 minutes to get to the beach.  New Smyrna is "Orlando's Beach" and you can see by the license tags that most people using the beach are from the metro area.  Also water sports have always been a major part of the Orlando lifestyle because of it's lakes.  Water skiing and jet skiing have always played an important part in living in Orlando and is probably the main reason Orlando exists and started growing.  In the late 1800's and early 1900's Orlando and Winter Park had famous hotels and spas on some of it's lakes and the Florida Hospital System started because of the "healing, healthy, springs."<br />
There are more and more walkable areas also.  Winter Park's Park Avenue has been famous for years and now the neighborhood between Park Ave and Winter Park Village is developing rapidly to join the two together.  Downtown has gone through it's struggles but the upscale movieplex finally opened in the heart of the city, there's Lake Eola, Thornton Park, College Park, Colonialtown, Baldwin Park and the metro area has got to be the king of "village centers", they are all over the place in the suburbs.  And the OC has the Dr. Phillips municipality, just head west on Sand Lake Rd from I-4 and you will be shocked at the development of fine dining and shops.  The metro has a lot of renovated cities and downtowns, such as Winter Garden, Mt. Dora, Sanford, Altamonte Springs, Maitland, Windermere,DeLand,etc.  Forbes magazine just put out the most failing malls in the country and the most succesful malls in the country and Millenia was listed in the top ten succesful with sales of $1000 per square foot.  I don't think International Plaza in Tampa really compares.  I've never seen the St. John's Town Center, I know there's a Dillard's and Dicks Sporting Goods for anchors and rumors in this ecomony go back and forth about additional anchors.  Things have pretty much ground to a halt in Orlando now, these are some bad times for the whole country I believe.  Oh, also Forbes Magazine just listed the most abandoned cities in the country, Kansas City was the worst, San Francsisco was second, Miami was third, and I was shocked to see Jacksonville and Charlotte on the list.  I was under the impression that Jax had one of the better economies in Florida right now.<br />
I've been to Jacksonville many times and I like it ok, but development seems to be mainly in the area between downtown and the beach.  In Orlando, you can go north, south, east, and west and always hit a developing area and nice place to live.<br />
The radio is much different here with a Top 40 Hip Hop Power Station, two very strong Latin stations, one of them reggeaton and the reggeaton crosses over to the Power station and you get a little Spanglish spoken on these stations.  The Hip Hop and R&B station 102Jamz also caters alot to the caribbean crowd.  I have listened to Jax's Hip Hop and R&B station and it was totally different than what you hear in Orlando, Tampa or South Florida.<br />
One other thing, downtown Orlando has a very cosmopolitan population, in dress, activities, and attitude.  It's a very liberal scene.  The festivals are huge and downtown and nobody gets offended.  The Gay Pride Parade in October is in the middle of the city, and there is also a huge Puerto Rican Parade as well. There's a concert/festival called Calle Orange as well as a huge latin festival called Fiesta Medina.  There's the huge GayDays in the tourist area in early June which attracts 150-200,000 people and also the Winter Park Sidewalk Art Festival which attracts just as many people.  Nightlife is never dull and mainly concentrated downtown, I have yet to find a nightlife district in Jacksonville.<br />
I'm not downing Jacksonville, it just isn't big enough or have the cultural diversity that Orlando has.  And Miami and South Florida tops Orlando in all aspects, and Tampa/St.Pete is pretty much even with Orlando in a lot of areas.<br />
All of Florida's cities were on the cusp of stepping up another tier, including Jax, but the economy has pretty much put a halt to things for now.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Orlando or Jacksonville</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Jax and Orlando are two very different cities. Orlando is much more cosmopolitan - not just b/c of tourists, but also its ethnic makeup. Orlando started booming in the 1970s so a lot of the locals you see (Whites, blacks, latinos, Asians) are from various regions of the country and the world. Jacksonville, on the other hand, being at the northern tip of the state, close to Georgia, has a much more traditional Southern mix of people. The majority of whites, as is the case with most places in the South, can trace their ancestries to England, Scotland, Ireland, or Germany. Orlando's ethnic makeup is more like that of South FL - lots of whites from up north, which means a lot more people with Italian and East European ancestries mixed in. Orlando's also got a thriving Hispanic population, especially Puerto Ricans, but also Cubans, Colombians, etc. The black population also hails from different parts of the country, as well as the islands. <br />
It's really only in recent years that the population of Jax has started to diversify, and experience a more rapid type of growth. Due to Jax being one of Florida's biggest cities, it hasnt viewed too much as a Southern town, or if it is than it would be considered less conservative than similar sized cities in the South, and more in line with Houston and Atlanta. It's also perceived as much more of a blue collar town when compared to Miami, Orlando, or Tampa, but it's also more affordable. The city's got a lot of potential as it is after all a coastal town, with a lot of room to grow. <br />
If one just looks at population figures you'd think Jax was this bustling city of 800,000 people whereas Miami barely has 400,000. Yet that 800 K figure comprises the entire county of Duval, which is the same as saying Miami has a population of 2.5 million people (Dade County). <br />
Orlando's progress has been so explosive at times that the city hasn't always been able to keep up with the changes. For example, the way its international airport is set up should have been changed years ago. Also, aside from I-4 all you seem to have are toll roads, unlike Tampa with I-75, I-275, I-4, and several toll roads all passing through the city (St. Petersburg is a different story). Part of Orlando's traffic problem arises not just from the toll roads, but by the fact that aside from the 2 million people living in its metro area there's another million or so tourists on any given week. So you've got heavy traffic till 9 from the locals, then as the tourists wake up they take to the roads as well. This is especially prevalent on Fridays, where it seems like there's always an accident and heavy traffic around 1 or 2 in the afternoon. <br />
<br />
I think if we we bringing up all 4 of Florida's major metro areas (Jax, Tampa-St. Pete, Orlando, and South FL) I'd pick South Florida. I mean, this is a site called Urban Planet, and South Florida has always been light years ahead of the rest of FL, or even most of the country, in that sense. It's not just that it's densely populated, but also there's a lot of great places to walk around, especially in Dade County. You've got South Beach with Washington Ave, Lincoln Road, Colllins, and Ocean Drive. Over in downtown Miami you have Flagler an Brickell, and the kind of plans they got going on over there are even more ambitious than what they have planned for Atlanta (Atlanta's Midtown will evantually resemble the magnificent mile, AKA Michigan Ave. in Chicago. There's also the streets of Buckhead project opening in less than a year, and something similar in the suburb of Alpharetta). Another part of Miami is Coconut Grove, which is extremely walkable. Same is true for Coral Gables and even parts of Kendall. All these areas offer numerous stores, restaurants, galleries, and more. I'm not just talking about chain stores or cookie cutter restaurants, but a true variety of retail.<br />
Head north of Miami and you can do more walking in Hollywood, and in Ft. Lauderdale you can walk around the streets along the beach, and continue on Las Olas Boulevard. Personally though I prefer to head even further up north to Palm Beach, which is extremely walkable and a very clean and pretty city. They've also done a great job reviving downtown West Palm Beach as you've got both Clematis, and nearby City Place. <br />
As far as shopping malls go, Orlando has Millenia and Tampa has International Plaza, but South Florida has had those kind of malls long before that. Aventura Mall and the Shops at Bal Harbor in the north Miami Beach area, there's also the Village of Merrick Park in Coral Gables with Dadeland Mall and the Shops at Sunset Place nearby, Town Center in Boca Raton, The Gardens Mall in West Palm Beach, etc.   Orlando also has some amazing outlet malls with Premium Outlets (one of the best Premium Outlets in the country no less) and Belz, but South Florida has Sawgrass Mills, which is HUGE.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title> St. Johns Town Center</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1080113'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>jeb1974, on Jul 20 2009, 09&#58;41 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>I wouldn't say that Atlanta truly has an original Macy's unless you consider the store at Northlake Mall that was originally Davison's, then Macy's, then Rich's-Macy's, and once again just Macy's.  Aside from that, almost all other Atlanta area Macy's stores there today were originally Rich's stores.<br />
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The presence of the Macy's name in Atlanta can be confusing.  The Macy's name wound up in the 80's in Atlanta when R.H. Macy & Co. renamed the Davison's stores Macy's.  Federated Department Stores, which had acquired Rich's in 1976, bought R.H. Macy & Co. out of bankruptcy in 1994 and they merged.  Atlanta was a unique market for having Rich's and Macy's stores in about seven area malls; they were too alike, carried the same merchandise, and ending up both being owned by Federated.  In 2003 all of the Macy's stores that had been Davison's with the exception Town Center at Cobb (it opened as Macy's and not Davison's but also closed) closed because of the overlap and duplication; Federated did not sell the closed stores to competitors.  The Davison's/Macy's stores at Lenox Square and Perimeter Mall were converted to Bloomingdale's.  Prior to retiring the Rich's name, Federated branded those stores Rich's-Macy's and then placed the Macy's name on all of its stores (except for Bloomie's) by retiring regional department store names (Rich's, Lazarus, Goldsmith's, Burdine's, Bon Marche).<br />
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Federated Department Stores in now known as the Macy's Group.</div></div><br />
Macy's did always confuse me in Atlanta.  Before the Federated Buyout by Macy's, there were several Macy's in South Florida that popped up in the 80's &90's  The didn't seem as progressive for a Dept. store as Millenia Macy's at the time but they were better than anything between Miami and Atlanta.  I think Macy's had a South Florida division or something..they were at Aventura, The Falls, The Plantation Fashion Mall and Palm Beach Gardens.  I think a new Macy's opened up in downtown West Palm Beach around the same time as the Millenia Macy's and is a really great shopping experience also. <strong class='bbc'>Does anyone have a picture of the St. John's TC?</strong>I can't imagine what the experience is like since it looks like it is built like most of the middle income Town Centers in Orlando metro. Waterford Lakes TC,  Fowler Groves, The Loop & Loop West, and Posner Park.  Is it walkably nice or full of streets and parking and seperate sections?  There are also some upscale "Village Centers" here like Winter Park Village that is anchored by PFChangs, Brio, Cheescake Factory, Regal Cinemas and Loft apartments that looks like a street with Parking garages on the outside.  I would like to know if it's something worth the drive to..thanks!<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>metrowester</author>
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		<title> St. Johns Town Center</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1079543'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>metrowester, on Jul 17 2009, 01&#58;48 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>Not neccesarily true.  Mostly, but not totally.  The 3 level Macy's at Millenia in Orlando is majorly different from the converted stores.  I'm sure Atlanta's original Macy's is better than the converted stores??  Everyone is always amazed at the Millenia Macy's, so much more merchandise and so many more brands.</div></div><br />
I wouldn't say that Atlanta truly has an original Macy's unless you consider the store at Northlake Mall that was originally Davison's, then Macy's, then Rich's-Macy's, and once again just Macy's.  Aside from that, almost all other Atlanta area Macy's stores there today were originally Rich's stores.<br />
<br />
The presence of the Macy's name in Atlanta can be confusing.  The Macy's name wound up in the 80's in Atlanta when R.H. Macy & Co. renamed the Davison's stores Macy's.  Federated Department Stores, which had acquired Rich's in 1976, bought R.H. Macy & Co. out of bankruptcy in 1994 and they merged.  Atlanta was a unique market for having Rich's and Macy's stores in about seven area malls; they were too alike, carried the same merchandise, and ending up both being owned by Federated.  In 2003 all of the Macy's stores that had been Davison's with the exception Town Center at Cobb (it opened as Macy's and not Davison's but also closed) closed because of the overlap and duplication; Federated did not sell the closed stores to competitors.  The Davison's/Macy's stores at Lenox Square and Perimeter Mall were converted to Bloomingdale's.  Prior to retiring the Rich's name, Federated branded those stores Rich's-Macy's and then placed the Macy's name on all of its stores (except for Bloomie's) by retiring regional department store names (Rich's, Lazarus, Goldsmith's, Burdine's, Bon Marche).<br />
<br />
Federated Department Stores in now known as the Macy's Group.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>jeb1974</author>
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		<title> St. Johns Town Center</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1034946'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>perimeter285, on Dec 15 2008, 03&#58;34 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>Yeah because Macy's is nothing special anymore.  We have Macy's in Greenbriar Mall and South Dekalb Mall in Atlanta.  And if you know anything about Atlanta, you know those are not exactly destination malls!  <img src='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/scared.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':scared:' /></div></div><br />
Not neccesarily true.  Mostly, but not totally.  The 3 level Macy's at Millenia in Orlando is majorly different from the converted stores.  I'm sure Atlanta's original Macy's is better than the converted stores??  Everyone is always amazed at the Millenia Macy's, so much more merchandise and so many more brands.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>metrowester</author>
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		<title>Tired of waiting!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=885710'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>Go Gators, on Nov 6 2007, 09&#58;15 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>North Florida's economies are not anywhere near as solid as Central and South Florida, unfortunately.  It all comes down to money, they have it, we dont.</div></div><br />
I don't think I would call Central and South Florida's economies "solid" right now.  Things are pretty grim down here, Orlando has near 12% unemployment and I believe I read that Jacksonville has the lowest unemployment rate in Florida right now.  Probably because of the military presence and I believe you must have some corporate HQs up there that we don't have down here in the O.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Tired of waiting!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1076932'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>metrowester, on Jul 1 2009, 09&#58;33 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>I agree that Orlando has changed quite a bit in the past few years, there is definetly a new "chic-ness" that is very apparent.  Orange county especially, and South Seminole (SoMo).  North Seminole (NoMo) is wealthy but  this is the first time in Orlando's history that you can tell suburbanites from city people.  I'd say there is a chic-ness to most of Orange and SoMo. The people in NoMo are trendy in an Abercrombie type way (suburban) but in SoMo and Orange there are a lot more designer looking people, who wear a lot of black, and are truly urban in looks and thought.  Also the diversity in Orange county really sets it appart, there is a lot of Latin flavor, and middle Eastern and Indian, and Caribean and gay.  The census just reported that Orange county is now Florida's second "non-minority" county.  Miami-Dade is the other county.  A non-minority county is a county that has less than 50% caucasian population.  Orange County is now like 45% caucasian.</div></div><br />
I went to Millenia this past weekend, haven't been in several months and I didn't even know we had a True Religion store.  I knew we had that brand in Bloomingdales but was shocked to see the store.  Also I noticed a new Guess by Marciano store.  Millenia has the distinction of being one of the most succesful malls in the country right at the moment with sales equaling $1000 per square foot.  I was afraid a recession would hurt the mall but apparently its doing better than ever.  And there was only one vacancy and a store was already under contruction in that spot.<br />
That said, does St. John's Town Center have shaded walkways and water features such as fountains, etc.  It must suck during thunderstorm season and also because of the heat.  I'm not a big Lifestyle center fan ( at least not for Florida), I wish St. John's was an enclosed mall.  We just got our first Dicks Sporting Goods in the Orlando Metro last month at Posner Park at I-4 and US 27.  It's a very nice store, and you had it first Jacksonville!<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title> St. Johns Town Center</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I visited Jacksonville this past weekend for the first time, and was impressed with the city.  St. John's Town Center is great!  The only bad thing about it is that it does not provide any air conditioning during those hot, humid Florida summers! <img src='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /><br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Tired of waiting!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=910952'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>Spartan, on Dec 29 2007, 11&#58;34 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>I'd say Jax does pretty well for its size too.</div></div><br />
I agree that Orlando has changed quite a bit in the past few years, there is definetly a new "chic-ness" that is very apparent.  Orange county especially, and South Seminole (SoMo).  North Seminole (NoMo) is wealthy but  this is the first time in Orlando's history that you can tell suburbanites from city people.  I'd say there is a chic-ness to most of Orange and SoMo. The people in NoMo are trendy in an Abercrombie type way (suburban) but in SoMo and Orange there are a lot more designer looking people, who wear a lot of black, and are truly urban in looks and thought.  Also the diversity in Orange county really sets it appart, there is a lot of Latin flavor, and middle Eastern and Indian, and Caribean and gay.  The census just reported that Orange county is now Florida's second "non-minority" county.  Miami-Dade is the other county.  A non-minority county is a county that has less than 50% caucasian population.  Orange County is now like 45% caucasian.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>metrowester</author>
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		<title> St. Johns Town Center</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1034948'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>perimeter285, on Dec 15 2008, 03&#58;39 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>Another note - I just came back from Richmond, Va.  It's about the same size as Jacksonville, but you'd never know it by the level of their shopping offerings.  Two upscale malls, one with Macy's and Nordstrom and the other with Saks Fifth Avenue and Tiffany's.  <br />
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Even Birmingham has a Saks.<br />
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Why, oh why, the disparity?</div></div><br />
Seems like your metro has to hit the 2,000,000 mark here in Florida before that type of retail starts to happen.  I'm surprised that Tampa/St. Pete just started getting upscale retail the same time as Orlando.  I think the only department store that Orlando has that Tampa doesn't is Bloomingdales or a "real" Macy's like the one at Mall at Millenia.  Any news on an IKEA for Jax?  Did you ever get the Whole Foods store that was proposed?  I think I heard Jacksonville has the best economy in FLA right now.  I know unemployment here in Orlando is almost 11%!!<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Great Downtown Pics</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class='citation'><a class='snapback' rel='citation' href='http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=1058728'><img src='http://www.saveaplanet.org/cdn/img/public/style_images/up2009a/snapback.png' alt='View Post' /></a>aussie luke, on Mar 31 2009, 10&#58;36 PM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>There are just a few images from about two weeks ago while I was down by the Landing.<br />
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Wow!  Lookin' good Jax!  So did the condos sell on the SouthBank or is the market bad there like here in Orlando and Tampa, Miami,Lauderdale??<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Decent Place to Live?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a 36-year-old mom of 2 and I need to move my family. I know Jacksonville is a big city and so maybe it has what we need??? I didn't go to college and I'm trying to raise my kids alone without much money. Everyone talks on here a lot about the really super-rich neighbors and suburbs....is there anywhere that's just decent enough????? I mean like not the most awesome part of town ever but okay enough that I don't have to worry about my children and where they can get a good education??? Sometimes I feel like the whole world is just rich mansions and then like housing projects!!! Isn't there someplace I can work hard and take care of my kids??<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Great Downtown Pics</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The South Bank has made tremendous progress over the past few years. It looks like the street level still has some progress to be made though.<br><br><a href="http://www.pjtra.com/t/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC"><img src="http://www.pjtra.com/b/Rj9DRUtLSz9HRUdEP0NLSklC" border="0" width="234" height="60" title="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!" alt="The 2009 Entertainment® Book - Great Savings on Dining, Shopping, Travel, Attractions, Movie Tickets & More!"></a>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Spartan</author>
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