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Hillsborough & Morgan Development

Spatula — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 04:00:10 +0000

Gard, on 09 March 2010 - 10:13 PM, said:

The article says that it will incorporate the IHOP, which means that it is not being torn down, but rather, having the development built around it and possibly its exterior renovated to blend it in with the new buildings. Certainly a much needed project for this area!

glad to hear the ihop will be around in some form

i'm one of the 'local hipsters' from the second post

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Jones133 — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:32:40 +0000

There is a homeless camp next to the greenway under the South Saunders Bridge (and one near the Dix soccer fields too, on the greenway), so you are right that trash and such could be coming from there. I also have encountered wandering guys clearly on something and young guys who maybe had sold it to the f-d up guys. The below grade setup sort of lends itself to this.

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Jones133 — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:24:25 +0000

JeffC, on 11 March 2010 - 05:33 PM, said:

Hey Jones, not to hijack the thread, but what is the "Tryon Hill" of "Tryon Hill Drive" refer to? I've noticed it is sort of uphill as you walk up that street away from Irregardless...was there once some grand estate where that street deadends at the top of the hill?

[attachment=6359:Sanborn 1914 Sheet 74 (St Marys Area).pdf]
Here is the 1914 Sanborn of the area. The only house visible (that I am familiar with) is the Cameron estate. Earlier Sanborns don't go this far west and I have not researched the area well. It does look like the Harrison/Tryon intersection was a subdivided chunk of land, though it could just as easily be Cameron heirs trying to make some cash as it is that it was a separate antebellum mansion. Cameron Park across the street and Boylan Heights were both just beginning around the time of this map as the city pushed west along the trolley line to fill the gap towards NC State. Mr Brown may be able to lend some insight. I know Confederate General William Ruffin Cox had an estate where Cox avenue is and that Avent Ferry Road used to bend south from Hillsborough Street here and pick up where Ashe Ave is around Wake Drive, so it seems logical an estate fronting Avent Ferry here would have filled the gap between the Cox and Cameron estates.

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Justin6882 — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 05:52:30 +0000

Has it really been that long? I definitely remember this monster!

orulz, on 12 March 2010 - 11:03 AM, said:

Anybody else been around long enough to remember this guy that I posted in the old eyesores thread in 2005?

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The Boroughs of a Greater Raleigh

Merboy — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:45:20 +0000

So with all the eyesores and gems.... What exactly is Raleigh's image all about? What do *you* think of when you picture a future Raleigh?

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Merboy — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:42:26 +0000

orulz, on 12 March 2010 - 10:03 AM, said:

Anybody else been around long enough to remember this guy that I posted in the old eyesores thread in 2005?

Lol!!!! That's great!

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orulz — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:03:30 +0000

DPK, on 08 March 2010 - 10:33 AM, said:

The Baptist Center over at Hilsborough and Gardner Streets:

Anybody else been around long enough to remember this guy that I posted in the old eyesores thread in 2005?

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orulz — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:31:36 +0000

JeffC, on 11 March 2010 - 06:36 PM, said:

How so? via the Walnut Creek Greenway?

How sketchy is that Greenway once it leaves the Farmers Market area and cuts through S. Saunders area, etc. across SE Raleigh? Would it be reasonably safe during daylight hours?

Honestly there's at least one part that's always seemed sketchy to me. Between Fayetteville and S Wilmington streets, near Walnut Terrace, at times when I've gone by it has seemed strewn with litter and seems there have at times been a lot of homeless people or just others loitering. It kind of feels like an out-of-the-way place that people go to do things they can't do in plain sight.

I've not ventured further east on the greenway than Wilmington Street, and even that was four or five years ago.

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RaleighRob — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:22:53 +0000

I remember when it was Tryon Street. I believe it was changed because there was address confusion with Tryon Road, after the city annexed down to Tryon Road. Both are in the 27603 zip code, and the USPS had some confusion. So they modified the name of the smaller of the two, to keep it more clear.

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Raleigh Gems

Merboy — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:46:29 +0000

I love the Hibernian. It's dark, it's colorful, it's interesting. I wish we had more places like it.

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krazeeboi — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:28:32 +0000

Merboy, on 07 March 2010 - 12:15 PM, said:

I'm not sure I care for the design of it. It looks so.... pseudo-50s.

"Neo-brutalist" perhaps?

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RALNATIVE — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:06:39 +0000

miamiblue, on 08 March 2010 - 07:35 AM, said:

I can't imagine a building like the Gherkin in Raleigh.

More eyesores:

Glenwood Towers http://www.rhaonline...es/glenwood.jpg
614 Glenwood: http://www.godowntow...nwood-Ave-w.gif

614 Glenwood definitely belongs in this category. I believe that Hibernian owner Niall Hanley recently purchased it. Hopefully he has plans to demolish it and build something as nice as Solas in that spot.

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brokenraven — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:48:27 +0000

The Archdale Building definitely deserves nomination. I call it the giant hard drive. It looks like a huge computer monitor belongs beside it.

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RALNATIVE — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:41:48 +0000

City Market, without a doubt. I've always felt that it was a diamond in the rough, and hopefully one day the city will wakeup and realize it.

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brokenraven — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:25:43 +0000

^Yeah I just read that on Wikipedia not too long ago although I didn't know whether or not it was actually true.

Oh and I like the Briggs Hardware Building. Along with the obvious Capitol Building.

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rooster8 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:35:37 +0000

I don't know about an estate (we'll leave that to our resident historian), but the street was known was Tryon Street up until December 2001 (City Council Minutes). Google Maps still has it listed as Tryon Street.

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JeffC — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:43:49 +0000

FWIW, I've found Route 2 to be fairly handy (up and back Falls of Neuse) and reliable. And downtown, I'm noticing more and more people waiting at stops for the R circulator bus.

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JeffC — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:40:30 +0000

Signatures on an online petition is just about worthless as an instrument of influence on policy makers...they are more interested in the opinions of those who either (a) feel strongly enough about it to show up at a public hearing; or even (b) actually take the time to compose a letter or email addressed to the decisionmakers.

People who decided to make one click on a website really aren't indicative of the public's opinion about such a proposal...

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JeffC — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:36:19 +0000

Hillsborough & Morgan Development

JeffC — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:33:04 +0000

Hillsborough & Morgan Development

DPK — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:10:29 +0000

Tico, on 11 March 2010 - 09:53 AM, said:

Nice job DPK on putting that together. I'd guess they probably also have some type of "option" on some of the surrounding properties. That key little square piece in the middle is owned by 1215 Hillsborough Street LLC and they appear to own a few other adjacent properties.

Here's an updated version which highlights various properties of interest around the FMW sites. There's about five groups of people that FMW would have to contend with that would help them unify their project. What's interesting is that 1215 Hillsborough LLC (orange on map) has 4 properties (there's a sliver along the north of one of their sites by St. Mary's School) and of those 4, only 1 has any development on it (at Ashe and Hillsborough). The other 3 are portions of parking lots.

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Tico — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:53:42 +0000

Hillsborough & Morgan Development

DPK — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:24:49 +0000

For the curiously minded who like visuals, here are FMW's current holdings:

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Jones133 — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:05:42 +0000

^ You can thank Cameron Park for the low density, and you can thank politicians and their willingness to rezone for their friends who owned a lot of this strip for having this zoning to begin with which allowed the wrecking of about a dozen of the finest gingerbread homes this city had. The south side of Hillsborough lost about 20-30 such homes. The big oak tree in front of Velvet Cloak would have been in one those front yards and you can still most of driveway cuts and clay storm pipes from these homes. The part of the Flint Street right of way is still there though the Y has managed to make it look they own it and another dozen homes were lost there too.
Flint Street Zoom out once to see it.

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orulz — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:32:33 +0000

This brings up another subject. There are a bunch of undistinguished 1-2 story 60's-70's commercial buildings along the north side of Hillsborough from Crest to Oberlin. (Across from the Holiday Inn, YMCA, and Velvet Cloak.) Is there any reason those couldn't be torn down and replaced with 4-5 story buildings with ground floor retail? There are a few historic homes still there I'm certainly fine with keeping them, but the ones where they've already been replaced with cheezy commercial structures should get something better. Raleigh has very little in the way of urban corridors, Hillsborough should be one.

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Jones133 — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:52:55 +0000

The Green House (a Briggs family house) is trying to find a home. Preservation NC is working hard to get someone to take it. I tried getting Blount Street Commons interested but they were in no shape to pay for the move. Would have been a great fit over there. The building that has the convenience store is a treasure and only needs a landlord that gives a crap. The one with Cycle Logic I *think* has a hundred year old building beneath the plaster and 1950's crank windows, based on an old pic I stumbled across. Both these would benefit from having hundreds of customers living behind them. Anything FMW does will not have great street frontage for new shops in phase I...the Morgan front might work, but the Ashe frontage would be better served with residential stoops. I would be for moving the Green House and putting in a nice mid-rise from Ashe to Park...say 4-5 stories ala Tucker but with commercial space on the ground floor facing Hillsborough Street for phase II.

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citiboi27610 — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:38:17 +0000

RALNATIVE, on 10 March 2010 - 02:49 PM, said:

I think that we're on the same page orulz. I hate seeing areas in the core of the city, that are also prime spots for retail, go underutilized. That area desperately needs more retail, and with its proximity to Glenwood South, new apartments and condos, businesses, and colleges, this could be a booming retail district as long as there is the right mix of businesses.

I totally welcome the wrecking ball.

I hope that the development will include a variety of businesses. What's great about this ares is the mixture of housing type and the ability to attract people from different backgrounds. If done right, this may be a good spot to put in a grocery. The grocery chains really need to step up their game with smaller formats. Take the salad bar, deli, and bakery from harris teeter; put in the drink station from sheetz; put it in a format similar to a cvs (one of those big dollar trees) and you're easily drawing in people for multiple things.

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RaleighRob — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:00:26 +0000

What's funny is that Chapel Hill and Carrboro are arguably more alike than any other two towns in the region...or possibly, the state---and are crammed up against each other geographically more than any other towns I know of. (You can literally walk from the downtown of one to the downtown of the other in less than 20 minutes!) YET---they still both refuse to even consider merging. (Not counting the school system.)
So if that can't even happen...don't expect Raleigh to submit to Wake County anytime soon.

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RALNATIVE — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:49:05 +0000

orulz, on 10 March 2010 - 11:24 AM, said:

I don't particularly care for the Jade Garden or Cycle Logic building, but the businesses are priceless to the area.

2035 Triangle Regional Transit Vision Plan

orulz — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:36:22 +0000

Jones133, on 09 March 2010 - 11:28 PM, said:

Having spent some time on CTA buses lately, my knee jerk reaction to all the online tracking of buses and such seems like a waste of money given that the routes and frequency of service suck and most of the people using the bus likely are not paying for internet plans on their phone. CAT needs to lobby council for real transit money and get rid of all the loopy routes and just do straight out and back routes with twice as frequent service. I would not mind walking a few block to a bus stop if I knew it came every 15 minutes at rush hour. Coming every 30 at my front door is not helping me whether I can track it or not, which as I said, most riders cannot.

At the West CAC meeting in February, David Eatman did a presentation on the CAT system in general, particularly pertaining to West Raleigh. It seems that there is a triangle-wide effort afoot to reorganize and optimize service. They're well aware that the routes that run in straight lines like 1(Capital), 6(Glenwood) and 15(New Bern) are some of the most successful in the system. They want to reorganize some of the loopier routes to follow that paradigm. The new trip planner will help them to coordinate routes better with other agencies like C-Tran, Wolfline, and TTA.

This planning process will hopefully get underway within the next few months.

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