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Economic Development in South Carolina

krazeeboi — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:42:13 +0000

Forbes has another list out (they wouldn't be Forbes if they didn't): America's Fastest-Recovering Cities. Columbia ranks 35th, Greenville 66th, and Charleston 75th.

To come up with the list, Forbes ranked the 100 largest MSA's in five categories: unemployment rate, GMP, foreclosures, home prices, and sales rates.

Main Street Developments

Spartan — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:45:23 +0000

digital_sandlapper, on 18 November 2009 - 11:51 AM, said:

I would never say "I'm going downtown" then head to Five Points. It is it's own unique destination to me. Plus, it is separated from downtown by residential streets, and so isn't contiguous. Perhaps for those who live in NE or Irmo, Five Points would be "downtown".

While I don't disagree with you, one of the things I noticed when I was at Carolina is that when students say "we're going downtown tonight" they mean Five Points. I actually posed a question related to this several years ago. The term "downtown" is synonymous with "activity" in an urban setting. So, regardless of where that activity is, if looks and feels like a downtown then it will be called such. Now having said that, everyone knows that its called Five Points. I personally view it more as a district within the greater 400-block downtown area (which is huge).

The mayor's office

Spartan — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:38:38 +0000

That's all I need to hear. I hope he wins.

Progressive South Carolina?

CorgiMatt — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:11:41 +0000

Maybe leaders in SC's MSA counties will heed this article from USA Today about "boomburbs" and not get caught with their pants down.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-11-19-suburbs_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

The mayor's office

krazeeboi — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:53:44 +0000

Attorney Steve Morrison has announced his candidacy for mayor. He says he is running for mayor of Columbia with a message of developing downtown as a means of invigorating the city's distressed neighborhoods. "I'd like to see more outdoor cafes at the base of the Meridan building. I'd like to see more of the Magnolia Marketplace that is there on Saturday mornings outside of the plaza," Morrison said. "I look at Greenville's Main Street and the excitement that is there, and I look at what we've been able to accomplish in the Vista, and I think the downtown corridor could be a vital and exciting place."

Township Auditorium Renovation

CorgiMatt — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:34:34 +0000

Here's the latest on the Township renovations from WLTX. Back in the day, people drove from all over SC, even before interstate, to see big name entertainment at the TS. They are cutting no corners in bringing it back to top status.

http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=81044&catid=35

CONSTRUCTION THREAD: Riverplace

btoy — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:36:55 +0000

GvilleSC, on 18 November 2009 - 04:44 PM, said:

Interesting. I think it's good to know that this is a viable parcel for development (with the willingness of the owners to sell). I wonder if this actually will be related at all to Riverplace in the end? Nonetheless, it's a prime plot of land for a mixed-use midrise!

At least one parcel is in the name of Riverplace Office III, LLC c/o Hughes Investments.

Old Waffle House

wolfgame — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:38:15 +0000

The Real Estate sign has been removed...looks like the building has been painted and there was a moving truck by the front door today. Anyone know anything?

South Carolina College Sports

Spartan — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:59:26 +0000

I've not been paying attention as long as you. Since I've been watching, Carolina has a winning record, albeit only slightly above .500. I am confident that Carolina can hit .500 every year. There is only one logical next step in the expectation level.

Skyliner, on 19 November 2009 - 01:05 AM, said:

I have no problem with rigid expectation. However, if it remains unfulfilled, then excuses are no longer acceptable. Satisfaction typically requires that you must either demand change or lower your expectation.

Agreed. People (Gamecock fans) are demanding change, which to his credit he did a lot of it during the off season. Maybe it's just me, but I've noticed a lot of change and improvements this year compared to the past 4 years. It's not the same ol' Carolina.

CONSTRUCTION THREAD: Riverplace

MAJIKMAN — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:28:43 +0000

vicupstate, on 18 November 2009 - 06:46 PM, said:

Hughes controls that entire block (River,Rhett, Camperdown)apparently.

This is directly across the street from the church. right?

Renaissance Park Projects & Developments

hub-city — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:14:44 +0000

The crane is on site and the walls are going up for the parking garage. Looking at the picture, it looks kind of like they are following the magnolia street garage in the aspect of matching one side to the church and Montgomery building and the other side to the business school and CCC. Still hard to tell at this early stage.

South Carolina College Sports

CorgiMatt — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:10:02 +0000

Spartan, on 18 November 2009 - 10:20 PM, said:

So why not expect that to start now?

Because since I've been alive the Cocks haven't given me reason to. I'm 51.

South Carolina College Sports

Skyliner — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:05:28 +0000

South Carolina College Sports

Spartan — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:20:56 +0000

So why not expect that to start now?

South Carolina College Sports

CorgiMatt — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:24:06 +0000

To beat Clemson 50% of the time some day.

South Carolina College Sports

Spartan — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:19:59 +0000

In that case, I think we can agree that we've reached the level where 6 wins a season is expected. What's the level to expect after that?

New Feature

Spartan — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:03:20 +0000

Urban Planet's newest feature is the Project Database. This will replace the former wiki system that we were trying to develop. This system is editable by members, and we need you to help get it going. I have several in the Spartanburg section if you want to see examples of what this can be over time. You may have already noticed the link at the top of the Spartanburg forum.

Please let me know if you have any questions, thoughts, or comments on it.

New Feature

Spartan — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:02:16 +0000

Urban Planet's newest feature is the Project Database. This will replace the former wiki system that we were trying to develop. This system is editable by members, and we need you to help get it going. I have several in the Spartanburg section if you want to see examples of what this can be over time. You may have already noticed the link at the top of the Charleston forum.

Please let me know if you have any questions, thoughts, or comments on it.

New Feature

Spartan — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:37:28 +0000

Urban Planet's newest feature is the Project Database. This will replace the former wiki system that we were trying to develop. This system is editable by members, and we need you to help get it going. Krazeeboi has started with on entry in the Columbia Projects section, and I have several in the Spartanburg section if you want to see examples of what this can be over time. You may have already noticed the link at the top of the Columbia forum.

Please let me know if you have any questions, thoughts, or comments on it.

New Feature

Spartan — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:34:21 +0000

Urban Planet's newest feature is the Project Database. This will replace the former wiki system that we were trying to develop. This system is editable by members, and we need you to help get it going. I've started with on entry in the Greenville Projects section, and several in the Spartanburg section if you want to see examples of what this can be over time. You may have already noticed the link at the top of the Greenville forum.

Please let me know if you have any questions, thoughts, or comments on it.

This will eventually replace the Highrise Index thread, however I dont want to start by only adding the dead or on hold projects

CONSTRUCTION THREAD: Riverplace

vicupstate — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:46:31 +0000

Hughes controls that entire block (River,Rhett, Camperdown)apparently.

GSP International

Danmire — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:40:22 +0000

The St. Joe company who is the financial backer mentioned is a HUGE company. They are a paper company they owned huge chunks of property in the panhandle area down from Panama City Beach where they grew the trees necessary for paper production. They have since started to develop a large portion of that property into residential development along the Forgotten Coast beaches. Port St. Joe is the town named after the St. Joe Company which is about 30 minutes from Panama City Beach.

CONSTRUCTION THREAD: Riverplace

citylife — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:12:35 +0000

vicupstate, on 18 November 2009 - 04:41 PM, said:

Just because they are buying the parcels does not mean that the phases will be rearranged. Without a compeling reason, I doubt they would do so.

Is the warehouse parcel the one Tom Croft owned for the 8-floor condo building?

Whoever said phases would be rearranged? No, this site that Hughes has bought is across Rhett Street from that.

CONSTRUCTION THREAD: Riverplace

GvilleSC — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:44:40 +0000

citylife, on 18 November 2009 - 01:01 PM, said:

The Hughes have purchased at least two parcels next to Riverplace. One being the large warehouse that had a electrical company in it that is bordered by Rhett, River and Camperdown and the other a smaller building adjacent to it on River Street. Looks like they are getting land for a phase 4.

CONSTRUCTION THREAD: Riverplace

vicupstate — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:41:17 +0000

CONSTRUCTION THREAD: Riverplace

distortedlogic — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:02:15 +0000

citylife, on 18 November 2009 - 01:01 PM, said:

Hmmm, that's interesting, but I would like to see the rest of Phase 2 completed and something cool happen with Phase 3 first.

South Carolina College Sports

distortedlogic — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:55:07 +0000

Spartan, on 17 November 2009 - 10:16 PM, said:

I don't do predictions on the outcome of any game, and this one is no exception, except to say that writing off Carolina so quickly seems wrong to me. I expect a win every time.

What do you think about the Vandy or UK wins versus the UGA or UF losses? The wins over Vandy and UK were dirty, but they were wins. The loss to Georgia was one of the best games I've ever seen Carolina play. The Mississippi and Florida games fall in that category too. Florida wasn't a win, but it wasn't for a lack of ability. I think that if Garcia had not thrown the pick, that we had the momentum to get the TD and the D to stop Florida for the rest of that quarter. Obviously hypothetical situations don't amount to much, but it gets my point across. Thoughts?

Perhaps we just look at things a little differently. I think that our expectations, with anything in life, have a lot to do with how we perceive things. If you go to a restaurant on Sat evening and expect to go right in, you probably have unrealistic expectations and are "setting yourself" to be frustrated. If you expect to have to wait at least 30 minutes the wait will not bother you, and you may even be pleased with a 15 minute wait. If you drive during rush hour and expect to have no traffic it is unreasonable. If I buy a lottery ticket and expect to win I am most likely in for disappointment. So on and on. How does this apply to SC football? In principle, very well I think. I think expectations are better placed when they are reasonable (which is of course a relative term). When those expectations are realized, then they can be raised. If your child starts to play basketball, you don't tell them to expect to make every shot because you know that is not reasonable. You try to teach them the right way to shoot, work on making some of them, and then raise their expectaions gradually. Expecting SC to win every game just isn't realistic and (for me persoanlly) doing so would set me up for a lot of frustration. SO I make my expectations more realistic. But I can set my hopes as high as I want, because hopes are a different matter.

As for Vandy and UK; they were wins that could have been loses, so I am pleased that they found ways to Win instead of lose. But, they also showed me that the team had a lot to improve on, and I realized that wins over the tougher teams may be hard to come by. The Georgia game was one of the toughest loses I have seen in a long time. Not so much bec asue I expected them to win before hand, but because I felt like they outplayed UGA nearly the whole game and yet could not pull it off. I felt like they were the better team, yet they weren't able to take the next step to win one they weren't supposed to. I do think they did it against Ole Miss this year, and that was a good win. But I'm not sure they have truly taken that next step. It is kinda the old, "One step foward, two steps back." So for Clemson, I am not "writing them off," I just see no basis for expecting them to win. Hope is one thing, but SC has not shown they are able to win these type games with any regularity (ie. the Ole Miss game seems more like the exception), let alone beat Clemson with any regularity. SC doesn't need to beat Clemson 10 in a row to show me something, they just need to win "their share" for a reasonable amount of time. That has happened only once in my lifetime when they won 3 out of 5 from 92-96. Other than that, Clemson has one almost every game in my lifetime.

Economic developments in the Midlands

krazeeboi — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:41:40 +0000

For future reference, unless they have something to do specifically with the local economy (e.g., Forbes annual "Best Places for Business and Careers," "Best Cities for Jobs" lists), rankings should be posted in this thread.

But as far as the mention itself, it's definitely more good press for Columbia (as well as the city's listing as #7 on the "15 Standout Metros for Starter Homes" list, also by MSN Real Estate). I also think the "con" part isn't really that bad (even though you'd think Columbia didn't have an airport by reading it), especially when compared to the listed "cons" of some of the other cities on the list which sometimes seem harsh enough to cancel out or even override the pros. For instance, Little Rock's "con" section states, Entrenched poverty means crime is a serious problem in many neighborhoods, and metro residents have a low average life expectancy, despite the high number of physicians and medical specialists in the area.

Greenville Photo of the Day

Spartan — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:11:42 +0000

For those that use Flickr, if you tag your photos of Greenville in the Urbanplanet Flickr group with the tag "greenville" (please note the lack of a comma) they will show up on the Greenville City Page, which has been revamped along with the rest of the site (http://greenville.urbanplanet.org).

Greenville Highrise Index

Spartan — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:32:11 +0000

Just to give y'all a heads up, Neo is going to be releaseing a new feature of UrbanPlanet today that will make this thread unnecessary. It will be a much better way to keep track of all projects, and members will be able to add and maintain this data. I did a couple of test entries for Spartanburg, but I intend to help with the Greenville, Columbia, and Charleston data too (as time allows of course )