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[bobliocatt]

Its interesting to see that Metro Miami still cracks the top 10, despite the rest of the metros being CSAs.

[PghUSA]

Pleeeeeeease provide a link to that OMB data. I'm interested in their logic and numbers and sorting the rankings etc.

I googled and googled and even vivisimoed this stuff and nothing. The most I could find on Census.gov is the old MSA data with 2000's numbers?!?

[teshadoh]

PghUSA, on Apr 21 2005, 01:45 PM, said:

Pleeeeeeease provide a link to that OMB data.  I'm interested in their logic and numbers and sorting the rankings etc.

I googled and googled and even vivisimoed this stuff and nothing.  The most I could find on Census.gov is the old MSA data with 2000's numbers?!?

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I think I already did You will have to apply the 2004 population estimate for counties to these definitions.

teshadoh, on Apr 15 2005, 11:41 AM, said:

http://www.census.gov/population/estimates...-city/List1.txt

http://www.census.gov/population/estimates...-city/List6.txt

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[RiversideGator]

What is the difference between a MSA and a CSA (other than the fact that the CSAs appear to be generally larger)?

[teshadoh]

RiversideGator, on Apr 21 2005, 02:26 PM, said:

What is the difference between a MSA and a CSA (other than the fact that the CSAs appear to be generally larger)?

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Ok - a very general explanation - for a more detailed one you should consult OMB or Census: MSA's are primarily determined by commuting, I believe it is 15% to the primary city urban area (UA), which piggybacks to exurban counties that commute to non-UA counties I believe. CSA (consolidated) is perhaps a more abstract definition of what the 'greater metro' is - San Francisco / San Jose, etc. But it also takes into account counties outside of the MSA that exhibit commuting or growth trends that appear to be directed towards the MSA. Also it includes counties whose own UA are adjacent to the primary city UA (Atlanta & GAinesville GA).

Hope that helps some...

[miamistreets]

Im so proud of Miami,they made it atleast to top 10.I think that'll change in a few years.(in a positive way though)

[mike0898]

Anyone have any idea why Spokane and Coeur d'Alene are two seperate MSAs? It seems that they are close enough to qualify as one. When I was growing up, they even shared a phone book (and perhaps still do!)

[RiversideGator]

I think the Miami MSA includes Palm Beach County which has very little interaction with Dade Co. This falsely inflates the Miami MSA, in my opinion.

[Brickell]

The census bureau has the same criteria for all MSA's. Do you have data that shows the census is wrong?


I'm sure there's many areas in many msa's and csa's that seem dubious on the suface, but I'll take their word for it. If you want to fault anything fault the use of counties as measuring stick. Clearly Boca Raton and the rest of South Florida is much more linked than it it is with West Palm Beach, but that's one big county, so it's all included.


If you prefer use Urban Areas. I think you'll find Miami ranks near the same.

[paulblackgsx]

I think anyone who has traveled or visited to the entire Miami metro area will see that it belongs at the vey least in the same consolidated metro area.

Edited by paulblackgsx, 27 April 2005 - 06:36 PM.

[Topher1]

Brickell, on Apr 25 2005, 09:31 AM, said:

If you prefer use Urban Areas.  I think you'll find Miami ranks near the same.

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Actually, using UA's, the Miami area ranks even better than its MSA ranking. Nearly the entire metro is included in the UA, which is very rare. That means that, unlike most metros, there is no dead space between areas of development, which is a very good thing. This means that Miami's metro is far more connected than nearly every other metro in the country.

The Palm Beach/Miami metro argument is becoming a very common one, but as others have said, its very clear that all of South Florida acts as one metro area. Palm Beach County may not have much in common with Dade, but the interaction with Broward is huge. In the future, I'd actually look to the metro "daisy-chaining" even further north, with each new county relying only on the county directly to the south, rather than far southern Dade county.

[krazeeboi]

Can we get this thread pinned?