Camperdown (Greenville News Building Site)

[vicupstate]

Actually, the jury awarded more than even the owners were asking for. It seemed quite a shock at the time. I can't remember exactly, but it was over $10mm as I recall.  That could have gone a long way toward building a park.  

 

These buildings are not too big to move, but they may not be economically feasible to move.  

[MAJIKMAN]

Well really that's what I mean

Well really that's what I meant. On both points.

[Gville2012]

http://greenvillesc.gov/PlanningZoning/PlanningApplications/Applications/2015/APRIL/DesignReviewBoard/04-02-2015/CA-15-164-EastBroadandFallsStreet.pdf

[Gville2012]

http://greenvillesc.gov/PlanningZoning/PlanningApplications/Applications/2015/APRIL/DesignReviewBoard/04-02-2015/CA-15-162-421and423SouthMainStreet.pdf - Demolish of two new properties that has been discussed.

[gman430]

[vicupstate]

I like it.  I take it this is the Office building at Broad and Falls St that the Greenville News will move into. 

[ausrutherford]

 

Can the photoshop people at least use cars sold in the US? We do not sell Opels here!

[motonenterprises]

Nice! I'm trying to figure out which corner this is.

[motonenterprises]

Ahhh. Figured it out. E. Broad and Falls St.

[GvilleSC]

I like the amount of depth the details of this building provides. Nicely done.

[NBNY2GRNVL]

Signs for hearings are up.

[vicupstate]

http://www.greenvillesc.gov/PlanningZoning/PlanningApplications/Applications/2015/APRIL/DesignReviewBoard/04-01-2015/CA-15-164-32EastBoardStreet.pdf

[Gville2012]

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/local/greenville/downtown/2015/03/30/first-look-greenville-news-sites-new-office-building/70688784/ -- Did the design change? I like the one posted yesterday.

[goodbye]

http://www.greenvillesc.gov/PlanningZoning/PlanningApplications/Applications/2015/APRIL/DesignReviewBoard/04-01-2015/CA-15-164-32EastBoardStreet.pdf

I see the movie theater location is now nearer to Broad Street and extends under the upper portion of the plaza.

This development plan still fails to address (capitalize on) its park/river frontage. Does it make sense to build a blank wall and parking garage adjacent to a destination for pedestrian activity? Why not add retail or vendor space along the ground level?

[ausrutherford]

Im guessing the Gville News wants their office building built before they tare down the rest of the site. 

[ausrutherford]

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/local/greenville/downtown/2015/03/30/first-look-greenville-news-sites-new-office-building/70688784/ -- Did the design change? I like the one posted yesterday.

 

GSA has that the bay type windows, while Gville news I think has an older version. 

[vicupstate]

I see the movie theater location is now nearer to Broad Street and extends under the upper portion of the plaza.

This development plan still fails to address (capitalize on) its park/river frontage. Does it make sense to build a blank wall and parking garage adjacent to a destination for pedestrian activity? Why not add retail or vendor space along the ground level?

 

There really isn't as much pedestrian activity on THAT side of the river compared to the other one, plus there would be no drive-by views.  The larger office building and condos will have views of the river. 

[mallguy]

I can't repeat this enough: we need more traditional architecture in these developments.

 

What's in vogue today won't be in vogue in 15 years, and using "trendy" architecture, given all of the new construction downtown, will result in a skanky looking downtown soon, once they're out of style.  Look at the existing Greenville News building: it and the Daniel/Landmark building were stylish when built, but they were eyesores within 15 years.

 

There are plenty of architectural styles that have lasted hundreds of years.  We should have more buildings using those styles.

[gman]

I can't repeat this enough: we need more traditional architecture in these developments.

 

What's in vogue today won't be in vogue in 15 years, and using "trendy" architecture, given all of the new construction downtown, will result in a skanky looking downtown soon, once they're out of style.  Look at the existing Greenville News building: it and the Daniel/Landmark building were stylish when built, but they were eyesores within 15 years.

 

There are plenty of architectural styles that have lasted hundreds of years.  We should have more buildings using those styles.

Examples?

[gman430]

The DRB did not approve the office building and has asked the developers to go back to the drawing board. Construction slated to start in July 2015 if approval is given next go around in May. This is when the hotel will go up for potential approval also. CAP and Trammell Crow are on a very tight and fast schedule.

Edited April 2, 2015 by gman430

[Gville2012]

The Gville news link i posted was of the updated proposal based on the feedback they received. I still like the depth the original (posted a page back) gave to the building.

[btoy]

I agree the Greenville News design was ugly, but I kind of liked the design with the protruding windows.

[GvilleSC]

It's nice to see the DRB showing some appropriate muscle. This entire development will be judged on the human experience and connections to the street. It will be interesting to see what they present in May.

[goodbye]

There really isn't as much pedestrian activity on THAT side of the river compared to the other one, plus there would be no drive-by views. The larger office building and condos will have views of the river.

Thank goodness that mindset was not prevalent among the majority of city leaders over the last few decades. RiverPlace would look much different today without pedestrian-oriented retail space along the waterfront - much of which can't be seen clearly from a car. Falls Park on the Reedy would have remained a dream and Fluor Field would still be a collection of old warehouses. The point is, while THAT side of the river may not attract the same number of pedestrians on average today, the city is steadily growing and eventually THAT side of the river could be as busy as the western side is today. Just consider the growth potential along the streets of East Broad and Falls. Two sizable residential projects are currently under development along those same streets and others will be on the way shortly thereafter. The number of people accessing Falls Park and the SRT from that side of the river will grow exponentially when the new residents move in.

[vicupstate]

Thank goodness that mindset was not prevalent among the majority of city leaders over the last few decades. RiverPlace would look much different today without pedestrian-oriented retail space along the waterfront - much of which can't be seen clearly from a car. Falls Park on the Reedy would have remained a dream and Fluor Field would still be a collection of old warehouses. The point is, while THAT side of the river may not attract the same number of pedestrians on average today, the city is steadily growing and eventually THAT side of the river could be as busy as the western side is today. Just consider the growth potential along the streets of East Broad and Falls. Two sizable residential projects are currently under development along those same streets and others will be on the way shortly thereafter. The number of people accessing Falls Park and the SRT from that side of the river will grow exponentially when the new residents move in.

Apples and oranges. Riverplace is quite visible when crossing the Main St. bridge.  When you cross the pedestrian bridge, there is nothing there to keep pedestrian interest. Most people turn back and return the way they came.  If the Bowater garage was not there, something at that site could provide that.  Alternatively if something is built on the large parking lots/ abandoned post office buildings on Falls and Calvin Streets, that would fill that purpose.  The short distance of shops this project could provide would lead to a dead end until then.  Until that is changed, I don't think your idea would be viable.