NoDa (N Davidson St Arts District) Projects

[SgtCampsalot]

26 minutes ago, cltbwimob said:

It looks like that smokestack is still intact in the renderings

Oh sorry, I meant goodbye to the tree itself. That tree is a landmark to me! 

[Midwoodian]

Holy CRAP this news makes my heart melt. I've explored the grounds of that factory on foot so many times. It has several modern (see: boring) additions onto it, with the original brick being a nice painted white. This is the PERFECT location, too! It will help bridge the gap between the two sides of the track from N Tryon to Parkwood. And maybe they'll create a few more ped-bike connections!

Of course, it will be a bittersweet moment to say goodbye to The famous smokestack-with-a-tree-growing-out-of-it

Love that smokestack![emoji106]

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[videtur quam contuor]

The famous (?) courthouse tree in Greensburg, Indiana. A grove established in 1870 continues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensburg,_Indiana

[SgtCampsalot]

Soft comment of the evening:

The Mercury development has excellent urban design; the first floor addresses the street beautifully. The only side that's lacking is the rail spur, but that can be forgiven.

[Desert Power]

Any idea what the zoning request is at Brevard and 25th?  Is 25th the street they're going to extend to Davidson?

[grodney]

14 hours ago, Desert Power said:

Any idea what the zoning request is at Brevard and 25th?  Is 25th the street they're going to extend to Davidson?

This one? http://ww.charmeck.org/Planning/Rezoning/2016/001-016/2016-005%20site%20plan.pdf

http://ww.charmeck.org/Planning/Rezoning/2016/001-016/2016-005%20rezoning%20map.pdf

NoDa Lofts - 280 unit multi-family.

I don't see it on the UP Development map, so I could be completely wrong.  Apologies if so.  (Although the street extension to Davidson is on the UP map.)

 

[Spartan]

Yes, 25th St will be connected from Brevard to Davidson.

[Desert Power]

Thanks.  That will be slightly better than a junk yard for semis.

[Crown]

Drove by mercury which seemed to have about 10x more construction personnel than usual milling about. Is that retail down the whole frontage of 36th? Sure looked like it .... 

 

Edited December 15, 2015 by Crown

[SgtCampsalot]

1 hour ago, Crown said:

Is that retail down the whole frontage of 36th? Sure looked like it .... 

They're residences that were built to eventually be capable of being retail. "Market flexible."

It was a cut-throat neighborhood input process pushing for retail, but the developer just wasn't able to get the financing if they decided to do retail, so they gave them a convertible design (which, arguably, every new project should do, whether it's mixed-use now or not). That's one reason I feel this is one of the most well done examples of urban design we've seen recently.

Edited December 15, 2015 by SgtCampsalot

[Prodev]

Where did that info come from? While they were designed to have the look of a storefront, there's no other true designs that would make it capable of being retail. There's a 9' clearance from floor to ceiling joist and the average FFE is 1.5-2' above the sidewalk, so it's not ADA compliant. Those would be two simple design elements that would have been worked in if it were really designed to be retail. 

[SgtCampsalot]

21 minutes ago, Prodev said:

Where did that info come from?

Hm, I was going to say my friends who attended the neighborhood meetings with the developer, and the subsequent NoDa News publications, but I just dug through all the old NoDa News articles and I can't find what I thought I read. I'd heard anecdotally about the developer not being able to get financing for mixed-use, but I guess that could be wrong. I don't want to speak of what I'm not sure. 

Edited December 16, 2015 by SgtCampsalot

[tozmervo]

That is correct, the developer claimed they couldn't properly finance the project with retail square footage.

[Prodev]

I'd be curious to know if they actually did pull a bait and switch with regards to the promise of "convertible retail" space. As much as Woodfield has developed, I don't know of a single project that actually includes any retail. The financing excuse is such BS. If the 36th street units were retail, it would be 8,500 square feet of retail out of 259k total square feet. That 3% of total space being retail really makes the project not pencil?

[southslider]

Sadly, lenders are risk averse to mixed use, but not copying the same style apartments over and over.

Maybe some future tenants will be entrepreneurial enough to use their unit as a quasi-retail (just not enough to avoid red tape) space.

[SgtCampsalot]

3 hours ago, Prodev said:

I'd be curious to know if they actually did pull a bait and switch with regards to the promise of "convertible retail" space. 

 

2 hours ago, southslider said:

Sadly, lenders are risk averse to mixed use, but not copying the same style apartments over and over.

The other truth is that it's going to be important in the decades ahead to have market-flexible development. That means that even if you create either retail, residential, OR office at the ground floor of your building, it will be important that some of them have a design that allows them to be easily converted in the future.

There have been studies suggesting that these developments have a longer competitive life-span than its single-use counterparts. And in older European cities it's simply a way of life: when the market isn't calling for retail, convert it to residences, and vice versa. The far extreme of this "doomed to a single-use" problem is the big box stores and fast food restaurants that have no other purpose when that business goes under. So this 

[Spartan]

36 minutes ago, SgtCampsalot said:

 

The other truth is that it's going to be important in the decades ahead to have market-flexible development. That means that even if you create either retail, residential, OR office at the ground floor of your building, it will be important that some of them have a design that allows them to be easily converted in the future.

There have been studies suggesting that these developments have a longer competitive life-span than its single-use counterparts. And in older European cities it's simply a way of life: when the market isn't calling for retail, convert it to residences, and vice versa. The far extreme of this "doomed to a single-use" problem is the big box stores and fast food restaurants that have no other purpose when that business goes under. So this 

eg: the Eastland Mall area

[Guest]

Looks like this wonderful little building will finally be getting a tenant. 

HABERDISH
"Haberdish is a new neighborhood hashery serving delightful southern-inspired food and drink in the former-textile mill town of NoDa - outside CLT."

I think the name would be better as Haberdishery... personally...

[Desert Power]

Please tell me that this isn't another "small plate" place.  NoDa needs actual restaurants.

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, Desert Power said:

Please tell me that this isn't another "small plate" place.  NoDa needs actual restaurants.

Hashery route word hash. Makes me think it'll be a meat and potatoes southern style type of place. Maybe breakfast focused. Still trying to get a Lead on the owners contact info, so hopefully I'll have more info to share soon.

[Niner National]

 

What is the other long neglected building next to this one going to be? It has had paper in the windows and a permit sign up for a while now. I thought I heard someone say it would be Three Amigos, but I have a hard time imagining them opening another location so close to the current one (unless they're moving?).

[Deleted.]

Does any one else think that the creek that goes under N. Davidson is a wasted opportunity? They could transform it into something similar to Little Sugar Creek. 

[tozmervo]

4 minutes ago, Piedmont767 said:

Does any one else think that the creek that goes under N. Davidson is a wasted opportunity? They could transform it into something similar to Little Sugar Creek. 

That's the plan with the XCLT trail

[Prodev]

14 hours ago, ricky_davis_fan_21 said:

Hashery route word hash. Makes me think it'll be a meat and potatoes southern style type of place. Maybe breakfast focused. Still trying to get a Lead on the owners contact info, so hopefully I'll have more info to share soon.

It looks like this is another restaurant from Jeff Tonidandel, the owner of Crepe Cellar and Growlers.   

Edited December 22, 2015 by Prodev

[Prodev]

36 minutes ago, Niner National said:

 

What is the other long neglected building next to this one going to be? It has had paper in the windows and a permit sign up for a while now. I thought I heard someone say it would be Three Amigos, but I have a hard time imagining them opening another location so close to the current one (unless they're moving?).

Permits are for Mango's Caribbean Restaurant. A quick google search shows that there are different concepts with this name in Atlanta and Huntsville, AL, but not sure if it's tied to either of those. 

I'm curious what's happening with The Goodyear House Restaurant. They made the announcment and have had the social media and website going for about a year plus now. Website says spring 2016 opening.