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[uconn99]

spatulashack, on Oct 11 2006, 06:49 PM, said:

What about Stansted?

A couple Connecticut business men were going to start "Atlantic Jet" with service to Stansted, it never happen and I think the thought has died. Problem is that the airport doesn't really offer connection possibilites and is far from the city.

Amsterdam, London Heathrow or Gatwick, Paris, and Frankfurt would not only serve O & D passengers but provide easy connections to the rest of Europe and beyond.

[drc72]

runawayjim, on Oct 11 2006, 06:04 PM, said:

PVD has canada too, but is a significantly smaller airport without the international naming.

I flew out Providence once. Your right it is very small indeed.

[drc72]

A Hartford to Rome, Italy flight would be awesome.

[TaylorG4444]

uconn99, on Oct 11 2006, 07:54 PM, said:

PVD'sflight to Azores is nothing compared to BDL getting AMS service. This is one of the biggest things that could ever happen to Hartford. Now having a true international flight to Amsterdam makes Hartford part of the big boys, Hartford is one step closer to being a big time major league city. This is not only good for Harford but all of Southern New England. Now instead of driving 2+ hours to get on a international flight all you have to do is drive the short distance to BDL and walk less than 500 feet to the terminal. Makes it so much nicer than the headaches in NYC, Boston or when you have to make multiple connections to get to Europe.
Hartford's insurance and financial industry will support this flight enough on its own. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of agreement for the business community to make a commitment to buy tickets. Not only will the business community make this work, but Delta, Continental and NW might actually end up routing some passengers through BDL onto AMS and beyond.

There is a rumor once again on airliners.net that this is only the beginning and that BDL might see more expansion from others soon, let’s hope!

This really is one of the biggest things since sliced bread for Hartford and Southern New England because it will not only allow non-stop service to Europe, but it will also allow the possibility for Europeans to come here to CT (tourism). As far as the airlines routing passengers to BDL....lets take the step of getting to AMS first. Delta is the most likely to choose to do something like that though followed by Northwest (considering it's their flight to AMS). All in all....GREAT STUFF!

[uconn99]

Couple examples of where people might fly thorugh BDL.


Passenger A-

Lives in Indianapolis and needs to go to Amsterdam. Flights through Detroit are booked solid, back tracking to MSP doesn't make much sence, and Boston is also full. Northwest routes passenger A from IND-BDL-AMS and reverse on the trip home.


Passenger B-

Lives in Palm Beach and needs to get to Europe. Flights out of Miami are either too expensive or booked solid. Delta routes passenger B from West Palm to BDL on Delta. From BDL they hop on the 757 codeshare flight to AMS and onto their next destination in Europe. Atlanta flights were all booked for the dates and times passenger needed to fly.

Passenger C-

Lives in Norther New Jersey. Needs to take a business trip to Amsterdam last minute, all flights are sold out or too expensive out of NYC airports. Continental puts passenger C on a Newark to BDL flight with a connection onto a codeshare BDL-AMS flight. Passenger gets to meeting in AMS on time.



These are a couple ways BDL could see connecting traffic. I wouldn't be surprised to see either Memphis or Milwaukee added to BDL with non stops. The BDL-AMS flight will be mostly O & D passengers, but NW might see it as a possible way to lessen the burden on their other hubs certain times of the year.

[JimSawhill]

uconn99, on Oct 11 2006, 07:59 PM, said:

A couple Connecticut business men were going to start "Atlantic Jet" with service to Stansted, it never happen and I think the thought has died. Problem is that the airport doesn't really offer connection possibilites and is far from the city.

Amsterdam, London Heathrow or Gatwick, Paris, and Frankfurt would not only serve O & D passengers but provide easy connections to the rest of Europe and beyond.

I wonder if the Atlantic Jet people are still around. I'd love to see BDL to AMS flights -- ING can fly from Hartford to Amsterdamn and vice versa. A few foreign owned companies are headquartered (american division) in CT, so maybe You can see a Bradley to Copenhagen flight (for Lego), bradley to Hamburg (for Trumpf, also Bayer) and a Bradley to London (for AeroEngines International).
Maybe 'AtlanticJet' will be rivived! I would love to see a Connecticut based airline (we had United and Pilgrim and BusinessExpress - along with ShuttleAmerica) flying.

JimS

[spatulashack]

uconn99, on Oct 11 2006, 05:59 PM, said:

A couple Connecticut business men were going to start "Atlantic Jet" with service to Stansted, it never happen and I think the thought has died. Problem is that the airport doesn't really offer connection possibilites and is far from the city.

Amsterdam, London Heathrow or Gatwick, Paris, and Frankfurt would not only serve O & D passengers but provide easy connections to the rest of Europe and beyond.

I've used all London airports and while Heathrow is great due to the connection to the tube, I found Gatwick and Stansted pretty much the same. I flew out of Stansted to get to Prague and the Stansted Express train made it pretty easy to get to from Central London. I had no problems at all. I flew into Gatwick to get to London and I really didn't notice that big a difference in terms of travel time to the city. It was a 10 minute max difference.

[drc72]

The Duty Free Shop should get set up pretty soon.

[beerbeer]

If they hadd done this two years ago LEGO would probably have stayed in Enfield.

[TaylorG4444]

I don't know if I heard right because it was late and I was catching the tail end of it, but lastnight I'm pretty sure that FOX 61 mentioned that Northwest had stated that depending on how well BDL-AMS went....they'd be introducing other european destinations and later on into Asia. Now, I'm an incredible optomistic when it comes to Bradley, but Asia? I can't imagine a day when there'd be a BDL-HKG or BDL-NRT flight. lol Other european destinations if done by NWA would be Paris, London, and/or Frankfurt....(only other cities directly served by NWA in Europe) I wouldn't mind seeing the picture below become a regular at BDL though.

[MadVlad]

TaylorG4444, on Oct 12 2006, 09:48 AM, said:

I don't know if I heard right because it was late and I was catching the tail end of it, but lastnight I'm pretty sure that FOX 61 mentioned that Northwest had stated that depending on how well BDL-AMS went....they'd be introducing other european destinations and later on into Asia. Now, I'm an incredible optomistic when it comes to Bradley, but Asia? I can't imagine a day when there'd be a BDL-HKG or BDL-NRT flight. lol Other european destinations if done by NWA would be Paris, London, and/or Frankfurt....(only other cities directly served by NWA in Europe) I wouldn't mind seeing the picture below become a regular at BDL though.

I think Asia is pushing it, but I wouldn't throw it out of bed, so to speak...

[jcrc]

drc72, on Oct 11 2006, 06:07 PM, said:

A Hartford to Rome, Italy flight would be awesome.

I agree 100%. Personally think Rome would better than to Paris.

[TaylorG4444]

jcrc, on Oct 12 2006, 10:38 AM, said:

I agree 100%. Personally think Rome would better than to Paris.

Unfortunately, when it comes to USA-Europe routes BDL-FCO isn't a practical one. Consider this....

1.) Alitalia - Boston (seasonal), New York-JFK, Newark
2.) American Airlines - Chicago-O'Hare, New York-JFK (both seasonal)
3.) Continental - Newark
4.) Delta Air Lines - Atlanta, Cincinnati (seasonal), New York-JFK
5.) Northwest Airlines - Detroit (seasonal)
6.) US Airways - Philadelphia

Now, with the above information in mind, how practical do you think it is to even try and have BDL-FCO service considering that 3 of the cities are served by an International airline that we will NEVER get, and when BOS, ORD, CVG, and DTW can only manage seasonal service to FCO? Not to mention that there are other cities MUCH more likely to gain non-stop Rome service over Hartford, Conn. IAD, DFW, MIA, and IAH come to mind WAY before BDL. Paris, London, and Frankfurt are MUCH more likely to happen before Rome is even made a practical idea. There's always the dream though....

[RLucas83]

TaylorG4444, on Oct 12 2006, 11:53 AM, said:

Unfortunately, when it comes to USA-Europe routes BDL-FCO isn't a practical one. Consider this....

1.) Alitalia - Boston (seasonal), New York-JFK, Newark
2.) American Airlines - Chicago-O'Hare, New York-JFK (both seasonal)
3.) Continental - Newark
4.) Delta Air Lines - Atlanta, Cincinnati (seasonal), New York-JFK
5.) Northwest Airlines - Detroit (seasonal)
6.) US Airways - Philadelphia

Now, with the above information in mind, how practical do you think it is to even try and have BDL-FCO service considering that 3 of the cities are served by an International airline that we will NEVER get, and when BOS, ORD, CVG, and DTW can only manage seasonal service to FCO? Not to mention that there are other cities MUCH more likely to gain non-stop Rome service over Hartford, Conn. IAD, DFW, MIA, and IAH come to mind WAY before BDL. Paris, London, and Frankfurt are MUCH more likely to happen before Rome is even made a practical idea. There's always the dream though....

As long as there is a lack of feed on the BDL side (which will always be the case, no ones going to make it a hub) just about any service except for maybe London would need to have connections.

European hub locations are:
AMS (NW/KLM)
CDG (Delta/Air france)
FRA (United/Lufthansa)

I personally think a Delta 757 BDL-CDg would do far better than a NW BDL-AMS, however DL just doesnt have the aircraft, though they are gettign 10-15 new 757s for translantic routes, i expect BOS would see them long before BDL would. Quite possible in the 2010-2015 timeframe, i expect it will take BDL-AMS 2-3 years for it for it to mature where additional flights would come on from any airline.

i expect BDL and PVD to really start to see INTL traffic in the 10 year timeframe 2015-2020 when JFK/EWR and BOS really max out. BDL can pull from the NYC suburbs and PVD will offer high speed rail to both BOS and NYC, most europeans are already used to air/rail connections which will make it more convenient.

[grock]

Time to change the name to:
HARTFORD INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT

[NewEnglandsTeam]

I'm stuck at work and shouldn't even be on this board otherwise I'd look this up myself... but does anyone know how many flights Northwestern currently has through Bradley? And are they in the new Terminal currently? I guess this pretty much assures they'll be in the new on come next summer as I believe that's where the International Check Point is if I remember correctly.

Edited by NewEnglandsTeam, 12 October 2006 - 02:06 PM.

[drc72]

RLucas83, on Oct 12 2006, 12:02 PM, said:

As long as there is a lack of feed on the BDL side (which will always be the case, no ones going to make it a hub) just about any service except for maybe London would need to have connections.

European hub locations are:
AMS (NW/KLM)
CDG (Delta/Air france)
FRA (United/Lufthansa)

I personally think a Delta 757 BDL-CDg would do far better than a NW BDL-AMS, however DL just doesnt have the aircraft, though they are gettign 10-15 new 757s for translantic routes, i expect BOS would see them long before BDL would. Quite possible in the 2010-2015 timeframe, i expect it will take BDL-AMS 2-3 years for it for it to mature where additional flights would come on from any airline.

i expect BDL and PVD to really start to see INTL traffic in the 10 year timeframe 2015-2020 when JFK/EWR and BOS really max out. BDL can pull from the NYC suburbs and PVD will offer high speed rail to both BOS and NYC, most europeans are already used to air/rail connections which will make it more convenient.

The State with the most Italian ancestory in the country should have direct flights to Italy. Newark is right near JFK, and AlItalia flies both out of Newark and JFK. I would love to see AlItalia come to Hartford.

[uconn99]

drc72, on Oct 12 2006, 04:00 PM, said:

The State with the most Italian ancestory in the country should have direct flights to Italy. Newark is right near JFK, and AlItalia flies both out of Newark and JFK. I would love to see AlItalia come to Hartford.

Northwest fly’s out of the new terminal using 2 gates. They currently fly to Minneapolis, Detroit and Indianapolis. The only other possible locations I could see BDL getting from NW would be Memphis, since it’s their southern hub, and possibly Milwaukee which is a focus city. Midwest Airlines already service Milwaukee however.

International flights can leave from any gate in the airport, however flights must arrive at the International Inspection station which is off the old terminal B and has its own gate.

As of Oct 22.


To Detroit-

6:16a
9:09a
11:12a
12:10p
4:15p


To Minneapolis-

8:00a
1:15p
6:02p


To Indianapolis-

7:00a
5:32p

Edited by uconn99, 12 October 2006 - 03:26 PM.

[paul514]

drc72, on Oct 12 2006, 03:00 PM, said:

The State with the most Italian ancestory in the country should have direct flights to Italy. Newark is right near JFK, and AlItalia flies both out of Newark and JFK. I would love to see AlItalia come to Hartford.

VFR (Visiting Friends/Relatives) traffic is notoriously seasonal and low-yield for airlines. Flights to Italy would probably have high loads in the summer/holiday season and smaller loads during the winter. Alitalia is in dire straits and if they cannot make money flying to Los Angeles or a number of larger cities in North America, I'm not sure that Hartford would be a great choice. Also Alitalia's smallest plane capable of flying BDL-MXP or BDL-FCO is the 767-300ER which is considerably larger than the 757-200 that Northwest Airlines is deploying on BDL-AMS. Perhaps service by Eurofly to Naples or Palermo would be better, maybe a once a week seasonal flight.

I personally think Frankfurt would be a great choice for nonstop flights using a 757-200. With US Airways being a Star Alliance member, this could easilly connect to Lufthansa's megahub. However, US seems to be concentrating on using Philadelphia as a transatlantic gateway.

Aer Lingus would be another interesting airline. Ryanair is currently trying to acquire them and turn them into a low-cost transatlantic carrier serving underserved airports, much like they do in Europe. However, I would think that they would need to get 757s, since Aer Lingus' longhaul fleet consists exclusively of Airbus A330-300 and A330-200s.

[drc72]

paul514, on Oct 12 2006, 07:17 PM, said:

VFR (Visiting Friends/Relatives) traffic is notoriously seasonal and low-yield for airlines. Flights to Italy would probably have high loads in the summer/holiday season and smaller loads during the winter. Alitalia is in dire straits and if they cannot make money flying to Los Angeles or a number of larger cities in North America, I'm not sure that Hartford would be a great choice. Also Alitalia's smallest plane capable of flying BDL-MXP or BDL-FCO is the 767-300ER which is considerably larger than the 757-200 that Northwest Airlines is deploying on BDL-AMS. Perhaps service by Eurofly to Naples or Palermo would be better, maybe a once a week seasonal flight.

I personally think Frankfurt would be a great choice for nonstop flights using a 757-200. With US Airways being a Star Alliance member, this could easilly connect to Lufthansa's megahub. However, US seems to be concentrating on using Philadelphia as a transatlantic gateway.

Aer Lingus would be another interesting airline. Ryanair is currently trying to acquire them and turn them into a low-cost transatlantic carrier serving underserved airports, much like they do in Europe. However, I would think that they would need to get 757s, since Aer Lingus' longhaul fleet consists exclusively of Airbus A330-300 and A330-200s.

The Hartford area is loaded with many Italian-Americans, including myself. I know many people here that travel to Italy, and they have go to Boston or NY to get a flight out to Italy. Hartford would be a perfect fit for Alitalia.

Edited by drc72, 12 October 2006 - 07:03 PM.