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[rocky top buzz]

I'm surprised we don't hear more about Fairview. It's a city, like spring hill, exploding in growth because of the success of Franklin/Cool Springs. I know someone who lives out there and he says it's still country, but just give it a few years...

[AlabamaGuy2007]

Hankster, on Jun 21 2006, 06:19 AM, said:

The Census Bureau has released population estimates for cities for 2005. Here's a list of all the cities in Tennessee with over 10,000 people, their population in the 2000 Census followed by their 2005 population estimate. All cities which have annexed over 1,000 residents since the 2000 census have been noted. At the rate Murfreesboro is growing, it will be the 6th city to reach 100,000 by 2008. For sheer rate of growth, nothing compares to Spring Hill's 150% growth rate in only 5 years!

1. Memphis............650,100....672,277 (Annexed 32,853)
2. Nashville............545,524....549,110
3. Knoxville...........173,890....180,130 (Annexed 1,478)
4. Chattanooga......155,554....154,762
5. Clarksville.........103,455....112,878
6. Murfreesboro.......68,816......86,793
7. Jackson..............59,643......62,099
8. Johnson City.......55,649......58,718
9. Franklin..............41,842......53,311 (Annexed 3,063)
10. Hendersonville...40,620......44,876
11. Kingsport..........44,905......44,130
12. Bartlett.............40,543......43,263
13. Cleveland.........37,192......38,186
14. Collierville........31,872......37,564
15. Germantown.....37,348......37,480
16. Columbia..........33,055......33,777
17. Smyrna.............25,569......33,497 (Annexed 1,622)
18. Brentwood.........23,445......32,426 (Annexed 2,559)
19. Cookeville.........23,923......27,743 (Annexed 1,990)
20. Oak Ridge.........27,387......27,297
21. Gallatin.............23,230......26,720
22. Morristown........24,965......26,187
23. La Vergne.........18,687......25,885
24. Maryville...........23,120......25,851
25. Bristol...............24,821......24,994
26. Lebanon............20,235......23,043
27. East Ridge.........20,640......19,821
28. Farragut............17,720......19,054
29. Tullahoma.........17,994......18,909
30. Shelbyville........16,105......18,648
31. Mount Juliet.......12,366......18,099 (Annexed 1,620)
32. Dyersburg.........17,452......17,466
33. Spring Hill...........7,715......17,148
34. Springfield.........14,329......15,916
35. Greeneville........15,198......15,383
36. Goodlettesville....13,780......15,320
37. Sevierville..........11,757......14,788
38. Elizabethton........13,372......13,944
39. Athens...............13,220......13,878
40. McMinnville.........12,749......13,242
41. Dickson..............12,244......12,873
42. Soddy-Daisy.......11,530......11,985
43. Red Bank...........12,418......11,726
44. Lawrenceburg.....10,796......10,911
45. Lewisburg...........10,413......10,790
46. Union City..........10,876......10,788
47. Brownsville.........10,748......10,720
48. Crossville.............8,981......10,424
49. Portland...............8,458......10,342
50. Millington............10,433......10,306
51. Martin................10,515......10,151

It's always amazed me how Alabama 3rd (Mobile) and 4th (Montgomery) largest cities are larger than Tennessee's 3rd (Knoxville) and 4th (Chattanooga).

[Justiceham]

AlabamaGuy2007, on Jul 25 2006, 01:20 PM, said:

It's always amazed me how Alabama 3rd (Mobile) and 4th (Montgomery) largest cities are larger than Tennessee's 3rd (Knoxville) and 4th (Chattanooga).

Actually, those aren't the 3rd and 4th largest cities in Alabama. From 1-4 are Birmingham, Montgomery, Mobile, and Huntsville. Mobile's population is around 201,000 while Huntsville's population is around 164,000. From 1-4 in TN are Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville, and Chattanooga. Knoxville's population is around 185,000 while Chattanooga's population declines at 155,000.

[fieldmarshaldj]

AlabamaGuy2007, on Jul 25 2006, 01:20 PM, said:

It's always amazed me how Alabama 3rd (Mobile) and 4th (Montgomery) largest cities are larger than Tennessee's 3rd (Knoxville) and 4th (Chattanooga).

I'd tend to take into account the definition of what is "larger" by looking at the square mileage. Knoxville is only 93 square miles (the smallest in area of the 4 cities), while conversely Montgomery is considerably larger at 155 square miles. Were Knoxville to annex an additional 62 square miles, its population would jump by perhaps 100,000 people, past Mobile and Montgomery.

[miami1855]

I'm just happy that Clarksville is finally larger than Neyland Stadium on game day now!

[rocky top buzz]

If UT continues the renovations at Neyland, then pretty soon Martin, TN will be larger than Neyland on game day.

Aside - At a time when everyone else in the SEC is increasing capacity, why would Neyland cut capacity? It makes no sense.

Edited by rocky top buzz, 26 July 2006 - 11:37 AM.

[TennBear]

rocky top buzz, on Jul 26 2006, 01:36 PM, said:

If UT continues the renovations at Neyland, then pretty soon Martin, TN will be larger than Neyland on game day.

Aside - At a time when everyone else in the SEC is increasing capacity, why would Neyland cut capacity? It makes no sense.

Rocky Top, It's called money and it makes a lot of sense. By taking out bleachers and putting in chairback seats, UT is able to get larger amounts of the gifts to pay into the school to guarantee seating. OK, so the seting will decrease. UT is going to add seating in the South Endzone Upper Deck to keep it above 100K. Don't forget that Michigan is also putting in chairback premium seats for the first time. They were the school that first put in 18 in wide seating lines in their bleachers. All of the other schools that have over 100K, (Tennessee, Penn State, and Ohio State) make more money on their home games than Michigan, because they all have premium seats.

[nashvol85]

rocky top buzz, on Jul 26 2006, 01:36 PM, said:

If UT continues the renovations at Neyland, then pretty soon Martin, TN will be larger than Neyland on game day.

Aside - At a time when everyone else in the SEC is increasing capacity, why would Neyland cut capacity? It makes no sense.

I'm glad for the renovations...they are desperately needed! I wish they wouldn't take out seats for the rich folks...they don't cheer too loudly anyways.

Oh well...at least they are moving the entire student section to the lower deck. Now that IS a good move. Now if we can only get rid of that gay Orange Nation crap they have in the front of the student section...

Oh well, I can't wait...I'm ready to get plastered and go to watch some Vols football!

[Hankster]

rocky top buzz, on Jul 26 2006, 01:36 PM, said:

If UT continues the renovations at Neyland, then pretty soon Martin, TN will be larger than Neyland on game day.

That's a good one!

[Hankster]

rocky top buzz, on Jul 24 2006, 01:43 PM, said:

I'm surprised we don't hear more about Fairview. It's a city, like spring hill, exploding in growth because of the success of Franklin/Cool Springs. I know someone who lives out there and he says it's still country, but just give it a few years...

Fairview may be the greatest example of sprawl in the history of the planet. It's unbelievable how spread out it is. No wonder he say's it's still country. There seems to be a farm between each home for Christ sake.

[Boisefan]

Hanksters right, at least thats how it was when i was there last

[jrox]

To get the complete picture for the Chattanooga area the North Georgia cities need to be shown:
pop % change
Fort Oglethorpe 8864 +29.2%
Ringgold 2793 +15.3%
Trenton 2155 +11.0%
LaFayette 6753 +0.7%
Rossville 3416 -3.7%

Dalton* 32140 15.%
Dalton is not part of Chattanooga's MSA, but borders it.

While your research is correct. Imagine if Memphis included surrounding towns in Memphis and Arkansas which are not on their report. Also updated figures show the Memphis Metro to now be 1.4 million. Behind Nashville but closer than what is on Emporis.

[cdarr]

qwertycc, on Jul 3 2006, 02:00 PM, said:

I think that jobs is a big part of the reason Nashville has outpaced Memphis in recent years--but the jobs were a result of other factors. The biggest factor is perception--mostly in the eyes of Tennesseans. Nashville is clearly viewed more favorably by Tennesseans than Memphis, but it probably isn't prudent to get into the reasons for the perceptions of Nashville vs. perceptions of Memphis. Another factor is financial--consolidation in the 70's helped Nashville fiscally by eliminating many duplicate and overlapping services in the county/city. Also shaping the financial situation is the reliance for the Memphis metro on 3 state governments rather than one. Also, state support--the state government in Nashville gives it more of an identity to Tennesseans and makes Nashville more attractive for the state government to dote on. Finally, higher poverty and the income gap in Memphis has presented greater challenges for Memphis to continue to grow numerically and economically. Unfortunately, it is typical that with poverty comes crime, but Nashville's crime rates haven't been much better than Memphis's in recent years. Yet Memphis gets the bad press (not just in town but in the rest of the state) while Nashville and Tennessee as a whole focus on the positives of Nashville. Sadly, many people in Memphis share the perceptions of other Tennesseans and flee to the next suburb over every 10 years rather than taking pride in the many great things in Memphis and trying to fix the problems that exist.

I'm just now picking up on this thread. Sorry.

To answer the question "why Memphis continues to lag Nashville in growth," I believe education and workforce quality are the keys. Nashville is surrounded by many fine institutions of higher education...certainly to a greater extent than Memphis. There is no equivalent of Vanderbilt in the Memphis area. In a knowledge-based economy, prospective employers are looking to locate where they can hire plenty of high-skilled "home-grown" employees, rather than places where they have to hope people will want to relocate there. So Nashville gets the Nissans, Saturns, Dells and so forth...but when they do, there are still more than enough open jobs that can be filled by people willing to move into town. Hence the population growth.

By contrast, Memphis has had to rely too much on home-grown employers like FedEx for job growth. Otherwise, not many companies with high-skill, high-paying jobs want to risk moving here and finding it impossible to get enough workers. And here's why...a recent study commissioned by the Memphis Regional Chamber of Commerce gave a blistering assessment of the Memphis workforce. The study found, "There is no motivation for self-improvement or to gain better training, (and) a low value has been placed on education and career development. There appears to be little enthusiasm and a prevailing 'no hope' attitude." Here's the entire, depressing article: Memphis Workforce Study

Also, as qwertycc mentioned, Nashville's status as the state capital certainly does not hurt its cause.

Edited by cdarr, 13 August 2006 - 10:19 PM.

[Rardy]

Fun with numbers

I took the growth rates for several Tennessee cities between 2000 and 2005 and decided to figure out what would happen if these growth rates were sustained for the next, oh say, 2000 years.

Interesting stuff:
Memphis would never relinquish its title as "Largest City"
Chattanooga will disappear sometime around 2981 (sorry Chattanooga)
Nashville will be surpassed in 2170 by Murfreesboro, 2380 by Clarksville, and 2705 by Knoxville
Memphis will attain 10 million in the year 4110
(the real kicker) Sevierville will reach 1,000,000 in 3635

Don't get me wrong -- this is completely implausible (I hope. Can you imagine Memphis trying to manage 10 mill???). But it's still fun to hypothesize.

[Justiceham]

Rardy, on Aug 28 2006, 04:40 PM, said:

Fun with numbers

I took the growth rates for several Tennessee cities between 2000 and 2005 and decided to figure out what would happen if these growth rates were sustained for the next, oh say, 2000 years.

Interesting stuff:
Memphis would never relinquish its title as "Largest City"
Chattanooga will disappear sometime around 2981 (sorry Chattanooga)
Nashville will be surpassed in 2170 by Murfreesboro, 2380 by Clarksville, and 2705 by Knoxville
Memphis will attain 10 million in the year 4110
(the real kicker) Sevierville will reach 1,000,000 in 3635

Don't get me wrong -- this is completely implausible (I hope. Can you imagine Memphis trying to manage 10 mill???). But it's still fun to hypothesize.

Chattanooga vanishing into dust? I had planned on living that long, now where will I retire?

[HABANERO7]

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(the real kicker) Sevierville will reach 1,000,000 in 3635

Can you imagine the traffic in the Smokies with millions of visitors and a million residents!

[Hankster]

Justiceham, on Aug 28 2006, 10:03 PM, said:

Chattanooga vanishing into dust? I had planned on living that long, now where will I retire?

That's the most depressing thing I've ever heard.

[Rardy]

Bartlett is now 10th with 46,954, per their special census.

[Justiceham]

Rardy, on Sep 5 2006, 11:47 AM, said:

Bartlett is now 10th with 46,954, per their special census.

The top ten as stands:

1.Memphis
2.Nashville
3.Knoxville
4.Chattanooga
5.Clarksville
6.Murfreesboro
7.Jackson
8.Johnson City
9.Franklin
10.Bartlett

I do believe that spot number ten is debatable considering the fact that neither Hendersonville or Kingsport have completed their 2006 special census figures.





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Edited by Justiceham, 06 September 2006 - 05:22 PM.

[rocky top buzz]

yeah, I find it hard to believe that Bartlett will have leapfrogged Hendersonville