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[rocket9561]

rocky top buzz, on Sep 6 2006, 09:33 PM, said:

yeah, I find it hard to believe that Bartlett will have leapfrogged Hendersonville

By the Census, Hendersonville is growing faster than Bartlett and we have also not completed a special census. But hey, it could have happened.

[Justiceham]

rocket9561, on Sep 7 2006, 08:27 AM, said:

By the Census, Hendersonville is growing faster than Bartlett and we have also not completed a special census. But hey, it could have happened.

I'm pretty sure Hendersonville will have close to 50,000, but Kingsport may have lost some.

[ATLBrain]

I think Hendersonville just annexed an area that has already been plotted out for a total of 3000 lots in 5 subdivisions. The first of these is Durham Farms and it's about to start building. Plus, I believe the Indian Lake complext will have almost 1000 residential units when finished. Most of these are planned for completion by 2010.

[rocket9561]

ATLBrain, on Sep 9 2006, 01:00 PM, said:

I think Hendersonville just annexed an area that has already been plotted out for a total of 3000 lots in 5 subdivisions. The first of these is Durham Farms and it's about to start building. Plus, I believe the Indian Lake complext will have almost 1000 residential units when finished. Most of these are planned for completion by 2010.

Very true...Hendersonville is also looking at annexing further into the Beech/Shackle Island area which is extremely fast growing.

[Justiceham]

Any update on the number ten spot Hendersonville/Bartlett/Kingsport?

[HABANERO7]

Justiceham, on Nov 22 2006, 03:08 AM, said:

Any update on the number ten spot Hendersonville/Bartlett/Kingsport?

According to the US Census Bureau’s July 1, 2004 population estimates for Tennessee this is the list of the 25 largest cities in the state

1. Memphis : 671,929
2. Nashville : 546,719
3. Knoxville : 178,118
4. Chattanooga : 154,853
5. Clarksville : 108,972
6. Murfreesboro : 81,511
7. Jackson : 61,772
8. Johnson City : 57,812
9. Franklin : 48,191
10. Kingsport : 44,070
11. Hendersonville : 43,866
12. Bartlett : 42,865
13. Cleveland : 37,746
14. Germantown : 37,555
15. Collierville : 36,562
16. Columbia : 33,599
17. Smyrna : 31,925
18. Brentwood : 30,586
19. Cookeville : 27,648
20. Oak Ridge : 27,298
21. Gallatin : 25,653
22. Maryville : 25,569
23. Morristown : 25,462
24. Bristol : 24,933
25. La Vergne : 24,811

According to the State Department of Tourism’s Community Profile sheets this the list of the 25 largest cities in the state (data is listed as 2005 estimate with no specific month listed)
link to community data sheets


1. Memphis : 672,277
2. Nashville : 549,110
3. Knoxville : 180,130
4. Chattanooga : 154,762
5. Clarksville : 112,878
6. Murfreesboro : 86,793
7. Jackson : 62,099
8. Johnson City : 58,718
9. Franklin : 53,311
10. Hendersonville : 44,876
11. Kingsport : 44,130
12. Bartlett : 43,263
13. Cleveland : 38,186
14. Collierville : 37,564
15. Germantown : 37,480
16. Columbia : 33,777
17. Smyrna : 33,497
18. Brentwood : 32,426
19. Cookeville : 27,743
20. Oak Ridge : 27,297
21. Gallatin : 26,720
22. Morristown : 26,187
23. La Vergne : 25,885
24. Maryville : 25,851
25. Bristol : 24,994

For the final chart I am showing the 2 above lists side by side with Census data to the left and State Community Data sheets to the right with a (+- sign) showing the discrepancies


Memphis : 671,929 : 672,277 (+298)
Nashville : 546,719 : 549,110 (+2,391)
Knoxville : 178,118 : 180,130 (+2,012)
Chattanooga : 154,853 : 154,762 (-91)
Clarksville : 108,972 : 112,878 (+3,906)
Murfreesboro : 81,511 : 86,793 (+5,282)
Jackson : 61,772 : 62,099 (+327)
Johnson City : 57,812 : 58,718 (+906)
Franklin : 48,191 : 53,311 (+5,120)
Kingsport : 44,070 : 44,130 (+60)
Hendersonville : 43,866 : 44,876 (+1010)
Bartlett : 42,865 : 43,263 (+398)
Cleveland : 37,746 : 38,186 (+440)
Germantown : 37,555 : 37,564 (+9)
Collierville : 36,562 : 37,480 (+918)
Columbia : 33,599 : 33,777 (+178)
Smyrna : 31,925 : 33,497 (+1,572)
Brentwood : 30,586 : 32,426 (+1,840)
Cookeville : 27,648 : 27,743 (+95)
Oak Ridge : 27,298 : 27,297 (-1)
Gallatin : 25,653 : 26,720 (+1,067)
Maryville : 25,569 : 26,187 (+618)
Morristown : 25,462 : 25,885 (+423)
Bristol : 24,933 : 25,851 (+918)
La Vergne : 24,811 : 24,994 (+183)

[Rardy]

Bartlett's special census for 2005 showed 46,954 in the city. That would make it the 10th largest.

[HABANERO7]

are their any other cities in tennessee currently planning a special census before the 2010 count besides these I found?

Check out this quote from Hendersonville's government website...

"Population: The 2000 Census population was 40,620, a 26.9 percent increase from 1990. Hendersonville ranks as Tennessee's 10th largest city. The city incorporated in 1969. Based on a special census performed in 2006, the population stands at 42,509."

It's seems the certified numbers are lower than either current estimate

From doing some internet digging I found this info

Franklin had a special census in 2004 bringing them officially over 46,000 with current growth projections showing them in the 52,000 range.

Smyrna held a special census in 2005, but I can’t find data on that count

La Vergne held special counts in 2003 resulting in 21,561 & 2006 resulting in 25,278.

Hendersonville held a special census in 2001 because the felt the official Census count was low, the recount brought the official city population to 40,620 which is now estimated to have reached around 44,000 for the 2005 est.

Edited by HABANERO7, 29 November 2006 - 01:30 PM.

[qwertycc]

http://www.colliervi...m/gov_info.html
http://www.ci.german...ctsfigures.html

Collierville's 2005 special census recorded 41,923--Collierville now estimates 43,022

Germantown had a 2002 special census showing 40,203

[Hankster]

qwertycc, on Nov 29 2006, 04:12 PM, said:

http://www.colliervi...m/gov_info.html
http://www.ci.german...ctsfigures.html

Collierville's 2005 special census recorded 41,923--Collierville now estimates 43,022

Germantown had a 2002 special census showing 40,203

That compares with 2005 Census estimates of 37,564 for Collierville and 37,480 for for Germantown. I'm a bit confused as to how Germantown's 2005 Census estimate would be so far below their 2002 special census.

[HABANERO7]

Hankster, on Nov 30 2006, 06:19 PM, said:

That compares with 2005 Census estimates of 37,564 for Collierville and 37,480 for for Germantown. I'm a bit confused as to how Germantown's 2005 Census estimate would be so far below their 2002 special census.

You know, I didn't notice that about Germantown, but sure enough, that is a huge anomaly. I guess it would be the worst out of sink with the estimates of any on the list in the negative direction. Are there any sources out there with updated estimates that shows Germantown with a current estimate of anything above say 41,000 or 42,000?

Germantown totals
(2000 Offical Census Count) 37,348
(2005 Census Estimate) 37,555
(2005 State Estimate) 37,564
(2002 Special Census) 40,203

Edited by HABANERO7, 01 December 2006 - 08:27 AM.

[Rardy]

HABANERO7, on Dec 1 2006, 08:23 AM, said:

You know, I didn't notice that about Germantown, but sure enough, that is a huge anomaly. I guess it would be the worst out of sink with the estimates of any on the list in the negative direction. Are there any sources out there with updated estimates that shows Germantown with a current estimate of anything above say 41,000 or 42,000?

Germantown totals
(2000 Offical Census Count) 37,348
(2005 Census Estimate) 37,555
(2005 State Estimate) 37,564
(2002 Special Census) 40,203

I don't know...it's hard to believe they grew 10% between 2000 and 2002. That's a little too steep... But who am I to argue with the Special Census?

[Justiceham]

I was wondering if anyone knows if Hendersonville, Johnson City, or Franklin have released their census estimates for 2006 or 2007. Will Franklin sneak past Johnson City and grab the number eight spot in Tennesee's major cities? Will Jackson remain number seven forever?. Will Clarksville snatch the number four spot from Chattanooga in the coming years?

Edited by Justiceham, 20 March 2007 - 06:47 PM.

[miami1855]

Justiceham, on Mar 20 2007, 06:41 PM, said:

I was wondering if anyone knows if Hendersonville, Johnson City, or Franklin have released their census estimates for 2006 or 2007. Will Franklin sneak past Johnson City and grab the number eight spot in Tennesee's major cities? Will Jackson remain number seven forever?. Will Clarksville snatch the number four spot from Chattanooga in the coming years?

I think Clarksville is a ways away from ever becoming number four. I believe we are at around 110-120,000 in the city and around 140,000 in the county.

[Justiceham]

miami1855, on Mar 21 2007, 08:45 AM, said:

I think Clarksville is a ways away from ever becoming number four. I believe we are at around 110-120,000 in the city and around 140,000 in the county.

I'd say it could easily happen in ten or fifteen years. Does anyone have the 2006 estimate for Clarksville?

Edited by Justiceham, 16 September 2007 - 10:14 PM.

[PHofKS]

Justiceham, on Sep 16 2007, 11:13 PM, said:

I'd say it could easily happen in ten or fifteen years. Does anyone have the 2006 estimate for Clarksville?

Clarksville will be passed by Murfreesboro before it passes Chattanooga.
And Murfreesboro should be number 4 way before 2020.

[Rardy]

2006 estimates

Chattanooga - 155,190
Clarksville - 113,175
Murfreesboro - 92,559

I know Murfreesboro is growing like wildfire right now, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that that rate of growth will continue indefinitely. There's a lot of factors that fuel growth, not the least of which is traffic, cost of living relative to surroundings, and available space for development. Any one of those goes kaput, so will the growth rate.

We'll just have to wait and see, I guess.

[Hankster]

PHofKS, on Sep 17 2007, 12:57 PM, said:

Clarksville will be passed by Murfreesboro before it passes Chattanooga.
And Murfreesboro should be number 4 way before 2020.

All of these predictions of Clarksville and / or Murfreesboro passing Chattanooga could be way off target if Chattanooga decides to annex more land. Also, I have predicted that one day Chattanooga will be "discovered" by the people of Atlanta as having a better quality of life than they have there. When that happens, they're be people moving to Chattanooga in droves.

[Justiceham]

Hankster, on Sep 19 2007, 08:48 PM, said:

All of these predictions of Clarksville and / or Murfreesboro passing Chattanooga could be way off target if Chattanooga decides to annex more land. Also, I have predicted that one day Chattanooga will be "discovered" by the people of Atlanta as having a better quality of life than they have there. When that happens, they're be people moving to Chattanooga in droves.

What are possible areas of annexation, in your opinion?

[DaltonGA]

I think Chattanooga would annex more of East Brainerd and Summit in East Hamilton Co., Middle Valley and nearby areas, which failed to incorporate and up Highway 58 towards Harrison Bay. Considering Hamilton Co. has roughly >300k residents, more than double that of Montgomery County(Clarksville), a great deal of potential for Chattanooga exists to increase its population. With the consolidation of Hamilton County and Chattanooga schools about a decade ago and the need for sewer in unincorporated areas, there is much less reason to resist being annexed into Chattanooga for Hamilton Countians. Rutherford County and Williamson Counties are more likely to pass Hamilton anytime soon than Montgomery County is. The potential for city-county consolidation is likely for Clarksville-Montgomery while it has been defeated several times in Chattanooga-Hamilton County. The cities of East Ridge, Red Bank, Soddy-Daisy, Signal Mountain, Collegedale, Lookout Mountain, Walden, and Ridgeside exist in Hamilton County and would continue to exist while several unincorporated areas have strong local identities-Summit, Middle Valley, Ooltewah, Apison, Sale Creek, Dallas Bay, Harrison, and Georgetown have strong local identities.