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#61 User is offline   Topher1 

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Posted 05 March 2005 - 02:12 PM

stinkin double post

But anyway... happysmith - I use imageshack for uploading photos. Its very quick and easy (and free) and it generates the code for posting in the forums for you. There are others of course, but Imageshack works for me.

http://www.imageshack.us

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Posted 05 March 2005 - 02:58 PM

thehappysmith, on Mar 5 2005, 11:05 AM, said:

Well, sorry to be so long on those photos, but I don't have any place to upload them to.  Any ideas?

You can also use photobucket.

We also have a thread about image hosting here.

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Posted 05 March 2005 - 04:26 PM

Topher1, on Mar 5 2005, 03:08 PM, said:

If you're getting those numbers, then you're not using the official census metro definition.

http://www.census.go...ity/0312msa.txt

The official numbers obtained from these definitions are on page 2 of the thread...  Feel free to share what methodology you used, however, so that we can compare the GA cities using that methodology as well.

I just used a few online population sites and most had that figure.
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Posted 05 March 2005 - 07:16 PM

Well... you poor souls, you've no idea the destructive power you've unleashed by telling me how to post photographs on blogs. My own blog has no chance at all.
Here are some Columbus photos; these are from February of 2002, around 10'30 in the morning. Someone who knows more about Columbus can describe them; as I've said, the best view of town is from across the river but it won't fit into a camera frame, at least not the one I had at the time.

This one, looking north, has a skyscraper in the far distance; that's pretty far away from the CBD there, but seems typical of the town.
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This one appears to be a picture of a tree.
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I rather liked this building; I remember there being quite a few fountains in the central strip park. It's a nice feature.
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Posted 05 March 2005 - 07:29 PM

I like those pics. The first and the last one are my favs. I look forward to more:)

2003 estimatefor Columbus GA MSA
Russell County, AL ------------- 7,170
Chattahoochee County, GA -185,702
Harris County, GA ------------ 25,891
Marion County, GA ----------- 19,333
Muscogee County, GA ------- 48,986
Total --------------------------284,082

(2000: 74,624)

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Posted 05 March 2005 - 08:33 PM

I'm not normally one to pick, but, those numbers are misrepresented. It should go like this:

Russell, Ala. 48,986
Chattahoochee, Ga. 19,333
Harris, Ga. 25,891
Marion, Ga. 7,170
Muscogee, Ga. 185,702

The sum was right; all the numbers were right; but they were lined up wrong.

I have pictures of the Muscogee, Russell, and Chattahoochee courthouses, but not a one of them is even remotely attractive...
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Posted 08 March 2005 - 08:11 PM

thehappysmith, on Mar 5 2005, 08:16 PM, said:

Well...  you poor souls, you've no idea the destructive power you've unleashed by telling me how to post photographs on blogs.  My own blog has no chance at all.
Here are some Columbus photos; these are from February of 2002, around 10'30 in the morning.  Someone who knows more about Columbus can describe them; as I've said, the best view of town is from across the river but it won't fit into a camera frame, at least not the one I had at the time.

This one, looking north, has a skyscraper in the far distance; that's pretty far away from the CBD there, but seems typical of the town.
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This one appears to be a picture of a tree.
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I rather liked this building; I remember there being quite a few fountains in the central strip park.  It's a nice feature.
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The first picture is looking east. I am not sure what street that is. The tall building in the picture above the trees in AFLAC's HQ at 20 story's. AFLAC also has another building on its campus that is 8 storys. The second picture is looking down broadway. This area is now under a $10 million dollar renovation with more parking, lighting, landscaping, etc. This is the area that has grown a lot in the last few years. It looks a lot different now compared to the picture. There are a lot of new restaurants, clubs, bars, lofts, etc that have moved in. The third picture is the Ledger-Enquirer building. That is Columbus's newspaper. It is a very old building that has a Spanish look to it. The fourth picture is looking at the Ralston Towers and the Professional Building. Both of those buildings are 10 story's I believe. These pictures only show a little of DT. There are other buildings such as the Government Center, a glassy 14 story building, and the Wyndham Hotel which is 8 or so story's. The TSYS campus is on the northern border of DT along the river. It is a beautiful campus with over 1,000,000 sq ft. of office space. Also, the new Rivercenter is a beautiful new concert hall that is one of the best in the Southeast. Synovus just finished its new HQ along the river. Columbus State University has started construction on its new $30 million dollar DT campus along the river that will bring some nice building to the DT area. If anyone has any more pictures please post them. Thanks for the pictures thehappysmith! Keep posting if you have more.
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Posted 27 March 2005 - 05:48 PM

Here is some new information on the DT redevelopment of a mill that will turned into condos, retail, and restaurants. This is from the Columbus Ledger-Enquirer. It is a long article.

Modern mill

Development to bring residences, restaurants, retail and office space to historic site

BY CHUCK WILLIAMS

Staff Writer


A historic Columbus mill site dating back to the mid-1800s is on the verge of dramatic change.

The old Eagle & Phenix Mill that sits on the east bank of Chattahoochee River in downtown Columbus will be converted to residences, restaurants and office space. The project is projected to cost more than $50 million and take up to 10 years to complete.

The mill and 16 acres of prime riverfront real estate was purchased from the bankrupt Pillowtex Corp. for $5.8 million by the W.C. Bradley Co. more than a year ago.

Now, the Columbus company, with its partner Columbus-based Flournoy Development Co., is moving forward with plans to tear out non-historic chunks of the mill. That work began earlier this month.

That demolition -- which will leave six historic mill structures standing -- will open up a world of possibilities for reuse of the city's oldest industrial site.

"We hope at the end of the day it is a community within itself," W.C. Bradley Real Estate Division President Mat Swift said.

It is another significant investment step being made along the river.

Consider the recent riverfront expenditures:

• $100 million TSYS campus that opened in September 1999.

• $40 million Columbus State University performing and visual arts campus that is under construction and renovation at the base of Dillingham Street Bridge.

• $30 million expansion of the Columbus Convention & Trade Center that was complete last year.

• $22 million Synovus Centre, a five-story office building opened last year between 11th and 12th streets.

The more than $242 million in reinvestment -- counting plans for the Eagle & Phenix -- has happened along a one-mile stretch of urban riverbank.

The plans

Plans for the mill were developed over the last 18 months after visits to similar mill restoration projects in Savannah, Atlanta, Chattanooga, Tenn., and Greenville, S.C.

The Eagle & Phenix property includes multiple buildings with river views and river access.

There are three main mill buildings that will be used for residential purposes. Current plans -- which could and probably will change over the 10-year course of the project -- call for condominiums that will be sold to buyers in two buildings and rental apartments in the third building.

Developers expect between 50 and 60 condominiums, which could range in price from $125,000 to nearly $500,000 per unit.

"We looked at a lot of old mills and old mill buildings," Swift said. "The one thing that we found is there is a trend toward people owning their own units."

Tom Flournoy, president of Flournoy Development Co., said the condominiums will diversify the downtown residential population.

"Part of the reason for doing condominiums is to bring a different element -- a permanent resident," Flournoy said.

And those residents will have a major say in what their home looks like. The plans call for residents to be able to purchase certain square footage, then go in and design the interior -- room sizes and locations. The company is currently arranging focus groups with prospective buyers to discuss the possibilities.

In addition to the condominiums, there is a plan to turn Mill No. 3, the building closest to 12th Street, into an apartment building with up to 100 units. The ground floor space in that building will be marketed as the site of a grocery store.

There are four possible sites for restaurants along the backside of the mill buildings, facing the river. Plans also call for the Chattahoochee Riverwalk to run along the backside of the project. It will create a mixture of public and private access to the property.

Lisa Collins, president of Uptown Columbus Inc., has seen the plans for the mill site and said it will be a "shot in the arm" for continued downtown redevelopment. She expects the project will drive more people back to the central business district.

"The restaurants they are planning will give more people the opportunity to be able to enjoy those views of the river," Collins said.

Historic significance

Before the old mill property was purchased, W.C. Bradley officials began consulting with historical preservationist at Georgia Department of Natural Resources. Ray Luce, director of the department's Historical Preservation Division, has made two visits to the Eagle & Phenix Mill.

"We wanted them on board early," Swift said.

There are a couple of reasons for that.

• The mill, along with other riverfront mills from Bibb City to the Trade Center, are part of the National Historic Landmark. There are only 200 such landmarks in the state.

• The Historical Preservation Division holds the key to federal historic tax credits, which will make the project financially feasible. The project could qualify for millions in income tax breaks if approved.

Luce said the site holds major historical significance.

"You can see the layers of history on that site," Luce said. "It is a terribly important location. It is important to Columbus, it is important to Georgia, it is important to the South and it is important to the United States."

Luce said he is impressed with the plans to preserve and reuse the historically significant structures.

"The thing that is important is they are not trying to do it as a museum," Luce said. "They are going to reuse it, but they are also going to do something that retains the authenticity."

Developers will peel away more than 700,000 square feet of space. Most of that was built in the last 50 years and does not carry historic significance. What it will leave is a historic footprint from the early 1900s as the textile mill was expanding and flourishing.

When demolition is complete later this year, six historic mill structures dating back to the 1860s will be left standing between 13th and 12th streets.

"It will be similar to the 1910 look of the mill," Swift said.

Virginia Peebles, the outgoing executive director of the Historic Columbus Foundation, said the developers have been innovative in their approach to the project.

"They are doing what we have been preaching -- adaptive reuse," Peebles said.

In the 1990s, a riverfront mill was demolished to make way for the TSYS campus. That drew the ire of the state's Historical Preservation Division, though they could do nothing to stop it.

Peebles said by bringing the state officials into the conversation early, some of the problems of the past can be avoided.

"I just think Mat is trying to do the right thing," she said. "Perhaps everybody in Columbus has learned from past experiences."

The partnership

This is not the first time W.C. Bradley and Flournoy Development have formed a partnership for downtown redevelopment. Three years ago, they reworked three 11th Street buildings for 46 loft apartments and restaurant space.

"They did a great job on 11th Street," Swift said of Flournoy Construction Co.

The partnership works for several reasons.

The W.C. Bradley Real Estate Division has developed a number of large projects, including Maple Ridge golf community, Bradley Park and Brookstone Centre, a North Columbus office park. Flournoy Development Co. is one of the nation's largest apartment builders and property managers. The company, which owns its construction company, operates in more than 120 communities across the country.

The partnership between the two homegrown companies makes sense, Flournoy said.

Flournoy Construction Co. will do the construction work, while Flournoy Development Co. has experience in apartment leasing and management. The W.C. Bradley Co. brings riverfront development experience, real estate sales experience and commercial leasing experience to the deal.

"It makes for a good team," Flournoy said.

In addition to working on the redevelopment of the old mill properties, the two companies will also have the opportunity to build new buildings north of the 13th Street bridge. All of the mill buildings, none of which are historic, will be torn down, creating more than a block of wide-open riverfront property.

"It is a blank piece of paper," Flournoy said. "Do we put nice condominiums? Do you back it up with another office like the Synovus Centre? The only reason this is a 10-year program is because you have that blank piece of paper up there."

Swift cautions that plans will change as the project progresses.

"When we started development on Maple Ridge, I had an image in my mind of what it was going to be," Swift said. "Ten years later, it is totally different."

He said look at it this way:

"What we have is a concept of taking the mill back to a look of the early 1900s," he said. "But that is what it is, a concept."
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Posted 08 May 2005 - 09:49 PM

Here are some great images of Columbus. The images include some of the highrises throughout the city. Also, there are some pictures of some new developments that are already under construction or finished. I couldn't figure out how to post the pictures, but if you click on the link it will pull it up. I used the imageshack website. If anyone could tell me how to post the images I would greatly appreciate it.


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Posted 10 May 2005 - 11:39 AM

You have a dynamic link, which UP does not support. You need to get the direct link from ImageShack and use that with the IMG tags.

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 08:24 AM

A 2.3 mile stretch of the Chattahoochee River will turn into the one of the largest, if not the largest, urban whitewater rapids in the nation. Federal funding for breaching 2 dams in DT Columbus has won approval. More funding for the project is on the way. Construction is set to begin in 2006. This will be a huge boost for DT Columbus economic growth.
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Posted 24 June 2005 - 10:37 AM

^ What about about the waterfalls in Minneapolis, aren't they bigger? Or are these two dfferent things?

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Posted 26 June 2005 - 12:55 PM

:lol: @ Columbus being bigger than Augusta.



I saw those numbers posted, but Im pretty sure the size and population rankings are like this:


1. Atlanta (of course

2. Augusta

3. Savannah

4. Columbus

5. Macon

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Posted 26 June 2005 - 09:11 PM

Donny James, on Jun 26 2005, 02:55 PM, said:

:lol: @ Columbus being bigger than Augusta. 
I saw those numbers posted, but Im pretty sure the size and population rankings are like this:
1. Atlanta (of course

2. Augusta

3. Savannah

4. Columbus

5. Macon

Cities:
Atlanta 423,019
Augusta 193,316
Columbus 185,702
Savannah 127,573
Athens 102,498
Macon 95,267

MSA:
Atlanta: 4,112,198
Augusta: 477,441
Macon: 322,549
Savannah: 293,000
Columbus: 274,624
Athens: 153,444

Urban Area:
Atlanta: 3,499,840
Augusta: 335,630
Columbus: 242,324
Savannah: 208,886
Macon: 135,170
Athens: 106,482

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Posted 26 June 2005 - 09:21 PM

Isn't Augusta losing population? That is what I have heard. Columbus should take over Augusta in city population by the next census. Don't forget, between 18,000-25,000 new residents will be moving into Columbus within the next 2 years with Fort Benning's massive expansion. It should be interesting to see the new census figures. Also, if Lee County, Ala (Auburn/Opelika) becomes part of Columbus's metro, Columbus will probably be the second largest metro as well in the coming years.
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Posted 27 June 2005 - 08:36 AM

City population in Augusta is on a slow decline, but appears to be stabilizing. It wouldn't surprise me if Columbus' city limits passed Augusta. But UA really is the best judge of a size of a city (and MSA the best judge of the region), and expect Augusta to be number 2 for at least a few more decades.
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Posted 27 June 2005 - 12:15 PM

This discussion about population simply reenforces the point about Lee County ALA NOT presently being included in Columbus SMA. If Lee County WERE included, then the population of Columbus SMA would be > 400k. Again, maybe not enough in and of itself to leapfrog over Augusta, but puts Columbus not that far behind and makes it the undisputed 3d place GA. SMA. (Tho Macon can certainly complain about removal of Houston County, and Savannah can complain about noninclusion of some coastal counties).
Couple Lee County with BRAC announcement of > 20,000 new residents for Columbus (military and civilian) in year or two AND continued growth in outlying areas (Harris County ~ 30K and growing rapidly) and Columbus and Augusta are practically on a par with one another. The thing that I can see happening (okay, maybe that "I hope happens" :-) ) is that Columbus has more potential right now than Augusta. It's political climate is better (less obvious corruption). It will benefit when new 4-lanes open (FallLine FWY, West GA FWY) and if and when I-14 is okayed. Construction is booming, with CSU assisting in development of DT (30M new art/drama campus along river, and new 20M 5-story twin-tower dorms/parking garage. New 75 M Infantry Museum almost ready to begin contruction. OxBow Meadows has only "tree-top" trail in South and has plans for new marina to provide access to and from the Gulf for private boats. New Botantical Garden will be one of largest in South, with connection to Columbus Tech and its degree in landscape design program. Federal funding for whitewater on line for next year. That encompasses 2.3 miles of white water which is supposed to be the absoltute best urban whitewater east of the Mississippi (not sure what whitewater Minneapolis has or whether it is considered east/west of Mississippi). Also, Columbus has Synovous, TSYS and AFLAC which will (hopefully) continue to thrive. Admitedly, Augusta has MCofGA and Ft. Gordon. But Columbus appears to have edge in tech and Ft. Benning certainly has more potential. Also, while Augusta has Masters and some very nice buildings, the potential for tourism in Columbus when US 27 becomes viable 4-lane alternattive to I75 from Chattanooga to FLA is huge.
In short :-) , Augusta has had a boom while Columbus has lagged, but I think that Columbus might now be on the verge of shaking off its lethergy and starting a boom which will allow it to catch up to Augusta and quite possibly pass it in the not too distant future.
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Posted 27 June 2005 - 12:30 PM

Honestly, I don't think either city is poised for anything huge right now... I can't stress this enough, but I really don't intend to be an Augusta booster... I'm definately a realist.

Both cities have had small victories in recent years and for the future. One of the biggest for Augusta is renewed government interest in SRS. A 1.6 billion dollar waste-processing plant is planned, and SRS is on the short list for new commercial nuclear reactors. Couple that with the "hydrogen corridor" that's attempting to form between Columbia and SRS, and SRS' designation as a national hydrogen research facility, and you can see that AGS also potentially has some momentum building.

I agree 100% about the politics, and I wouldn't be surprised if every Richmond county councilperson ends up in jail at some point in the next few years. And I'm hugely disappointed that the funding for the 20 story judicial center was voted down by the voters, but at least they're not giving up, and plan to present it again in November.
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Posted 27 June 2005 - 01:03 PM

Agree that nothing huge on tap for Columbus, and will defer to you as expert on Augusta. Good point about SRS -- forgot about that. That is a definitely a potential asset for the Augusta-area. There is still rumor floating around Columbus that Advanced Micro Devices plans, at some point, to put > $1 B chip plant there. AMD selected Columbus as first choice a year or so ago, but decided to enter into corsortium with some other chip-maker in Singapore. Result was new US plant (in Columbus) put on hold. A development like that (with several thousand jobs each paying > $50k) would be "huge" news. But, it just may be smoke and mirrors (like Airbus announcement of selection of Mobile).
At any rate, think that the "rivalry" between GA's second-tier cities is probably healthy. Once they are all connected (without having to go thru Atlanta) economic advance of one will help all the others -- not unlike the comon web that exists between and among NC cities (tho Charlotte is probably less dominant there than Atlanta is here). So, hope that we can use this thread to keep others apprised of developments in our own respective city of interest.
Sorry about the new judicial center in Augusta. The proposed tax in Columbus to pay for services also lost, putting budget in squeeze. One of Columbus' main drawbacks is the property tax freeze which discriminates in favor of older generation of home owners and against younger upwardly mobile residents. My mother for example pays less than $100 per year in taxes on her house! This is a big break for those, like my mother, who have owned their home for years. But if she sold it, the new owner would get zapped with a new assessment and a tax bill to match. Hopefully other GA cities have not been so stupid as to pass such a dumb idea -- which is (of course) politically popular but is a mere expediency with long-range inimical effect on development.
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Posted 27 June 2005 - 08:21 PM

Topher1, on Jun 27 2005, 10:36 AM, said:

City population in Augusta is on a slow decline, but appears to be stabilizing.  It wouldn't surprise me if Columbus' city limits passed Augusta.  But UA really is the best judge of a size of a city (and MSA the best judge of the region), and expect Augusta to be number 2 for at least a few more decades.

Most of the growth seems to be in Columbia and Aiken Counties.

gah, on Jun 27 2005, 03:03 PM, said:

At any rate, think that the "rivalry" between GA's second-tier cities is probably healthy.  Once they are all connected (without having to go thru Atlanta) economic advance of one will help all the others -- not unlike the comon web that exists between and among NC cities (tho Charlotte is probably less dominant there than Atlanta is here).  So, hope that we can use this thread to keep others apprised of developments in our own respective city of interest.       

I agree. That new interstate would do wonders for the rest of GA.

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