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East Side Urbanite last won the day on November 20 2014

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  1. I like it but admit that I'm biased toward grays over tans (among other colors I find awkward for buildings).
  2. We're looking forward to your assessment of Nashville, KJHburg — both the good and the bad. Smeags said you are traveling, so I realize it might take some time. But I am curious.
  3. The Sheraton project would be strong for downtown Memphis. I stayed in that hotel years ago. It was fine.
  4. Good to hear. I look forward to trying a PCreek beer. I like Diskin's cider. Good stuff.
  5. I visited the SGrist taproom on the east side to see it but did not have time to get a beer. Barrique is strong. We miss you, DM WW Can you purchase Panther Creek in retail stores in Davidson County? The brewery's website (list of places at which to purchase) suggests not. I want to try.
  6. My "Power 12" are as follows 1. Blackstone: Hands down my favorite taproom vibe, maker of one of the city's most distinctive beers (Dark Matter) and the brewery with which I have the most personal history, as I started visiting the old brew pub on West End Avenue when it opened in the mid-1990s. 2-12 listed alphabetically Bearded Iris Black Abbey Czann's Jackalope Little Harpeth Nashville Brewing Company New Heights Southern Grist TailGate Tennessee Brew Works Yazoo The others in Davidson County are as follows (alphabetically): Barrique Bold Patriot Crazy Gnome East Nashville Beer Works Fat Bottom Garr's (not sure Garr is still having his beer brewed) Hap and Harry's Harding House Hollow Pointe (may no longer be having its beer brewed) Honky Tonk Living Waters Monday Night Brewing (based in ATL but with a Germantown taproom) Music City Beer Company Proper Sake (focused on sake but does make a rice beer) TennFold Turtle Anarchy Yee-Haw Please let me know if I forgot one.
  7. To be clear, and as I noted, my main point is not that any of the structures I listed deserved to be saved at all costs. I admitted the Carmichael Towers were, in many respects, horrendous. I strongly like the replacements. Rather, my concern is that there is sometimes on this board what I feel is a failure to acknowledge the value of buildings that are going to be demolished. And a failure to see that value is not always defined by quality materials and craftsmanship but, instead, by history of usage, context in relation to nearby buildings and distinctiveness/quirkiness. For example, the milk tanks at Country Delite. Of course they were not noteworthy as are the Sloss Factory structures in BHam. But those tanks were perhaps the only truly industrial-esque structures left in Midtown. Now they are gone. I'm not arguing they deserved to be spared. Rather, I contend their value deserved to be noted before they were felled. Another example: The old brick structure home to the International Market on Belmont Boulevard. That building — despite its many flaws — offered a personality of sorts. It was distinctive in that a chunk of it was "swallowed" by a hill. And the history with the Mynt family and their cafe-style Thai eatery cannot be denied. Memories were made in that little building and it pained me to see it go. But the new Belmont University Fisher Center for the Performing Arts building is stupendous. I am 100 percent fine with it being there instead of the former building. Still, and as I ask of everybody, it is important to note that restaurant building had value. This is not about what is worth saving or not. It's not about what is attractive or ugly. It is simply about fairly acknowledging building/architectural value — even if that value is only modest. Seeing now. Did not know Raleigh Holiday Inn had a twin brother in Charleston!
  8. T-Hog makes some great points. There are "tiers" (her word and I like it) in terms of level of usefulness/attractiveness with buildings. I would much rather see, for example, the Noel Block Garage toppled than the Customs House. Clearly. And if Noel is bulldozed and a striking, charcoal brick neo-art deco eight-story mixed-used (hotel and retail) building that nicely address Third, Church and PAlley replaces it ... I can live with that. What bothers me, as a native Nashvillian is this: A project or acquisition is announced/reported that will involve or could involve the razing of a solid building. And then a poster (or multiple posters) on this board post about the future reinvention of the site with no mention of the value of the structure to hypothetically be lost. Mark did it with his first post regarding this building and I've seen others do it too (not picking on you, Mark, because you know I love ya and HUGELY respect your contributions to this board, the Post and our city). I saw it with the Carmichael towers. With the Keeble building that was felled at Eighth and Demonbreun (for JWMarriott), with the Imperial House next to Saint Thomas Hospital Midtown, with the Midtown milk tanks at the Country Delite site (and that Shay referenced), etc. There is almost an "Out with the old and in with the new" mindset some posters sometimes exhibit that somewhat diminishes the importance of these structures. And that is my main criticism. And on an unrelated note, Luvemtall offers a very positive karma. Thanks for your posting, L-Tall.
  9. Perhaps the better description for the Noel Block Garage is "art deco era" as opposed to "art deco design." Regardless, it is a handsome and old masonry building, the type that, for example, Pittsburgh has lots of and Nashville has few. Which is one reason I feel Pittsburgh is a more "tasteful" city (design wise) than our city. Let the record show that I feel the Noel Garage building is a contributing element to the overall "old structure/old school urban vibe" of that specific node of our CBD. So even if a "better" building replaces it, the "theme" of what we have there now with small brick and stone structures (with lots gone, sadly) will have been eroded even further with the possible razing of this building. I cannot stress enough that context, history, distinctiveness, quirkiness, etc. must be considered with the razing of buildings. Just because a better/more suitable building can replace an older building ... that doesn't mean the older building does not have value. Most of you were pleased when the four Carmichael towers on the Vanderbilt campus were felled. But as I noted at the time, and despite some of the horrendous elements of the buildings (I admit), the arrangement and setting of the towers was highly unusual. We simply didn't see that "wall of modernism" in many cities. For that alone, there was some value (though I greatly prefer what is there now). Do many of you know the quirky Holiday Inn building in Raleigh is about to be razed? Take a look. Ugly in many respects. BUT ... it has value for its eye-catching form (despite its being in bad shape) and its history (was the tallest building in Raleigh from1969 to 1977). I've lived in this city for about 40 of my 60 years, and my elderly parents were born here. So, yeah, I'm oddly protective of some of these buildings. Maybe I'm too sentimental. Too unrealistic. Too hard-assed. But some of you seemingly are too quick to want to see buildings toppled just to see new stuff constructed in their place.
  10. Agree with your assessment of the lots Mark referenced. None is remotely close to worth saving compared to Noel Block Garage.
  11. I'm a capitalist (and rather hard-core, too) who strongly believes in individual property rights. For example, I strongly supported Joy Ford's right to NOT sell her building on the Music Row Roundabout, when some on this board wanted MDHA to take it from her. Your points are well made. But I stand by my point: Nashville has only one brick and stone, art deco-era mixed-use (parking and retail) structure — and it is located in a node of our downtown with other "smaller" masonry buildings. As such, to lose this building would be very unfortunate on various levels.
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