HankStrong

First, I'm a huge fan of Elon. There is that concern that he's secretly Lex Luthor in disguise, but that's mostly too many comic books and movies where the billionaire with amazing dreams for the masses winds up actually being the villain instead. The pipe dream comment was made for the joke of you being in a pipe for the entire route. There is nothing pipe dream about a route between the major cities in Florida. Orlando to Miami being the biggest piece of that. I think ultimately that Miami to Atlanta should be an extremely high priority path of travel for ANY form of super speed tech. Especially, if you can add the ports of Tampa and Jax into that route. Orlando just happens to be in the sweet spot in the middle, but Miami, Tampa, and Jax (and by extension to each other) to Atlanta in all the variations would be a huge deal. Hyperloop (Elon Musk's idea and hype machine with Shervin Pishevar & Rob Lloyd's work) vs. American Maglev (Tony Morris)? Ha! That's a no-brainer. You've got a guy that randomly farts an idea one night at the pub for a giant boring machine company and it begins to be a reality by the next week. On the other hand you have a guy that bids and promises major projects and has yet to even have more than 3 test sites since 1994, 2 of which don't function (ODU is a massive mess) and 1 hasn't had a posted progress update on anything after a test sales ride a few years ago. Not a single announced project has come to reality. I think the tech is completely viable. Whether it becomes a reality or not has yet to be seen, but I think that depends a lot on people wanting to ride in a bank tube. Also if the speeds are really close to the announced info. They have said they will have 3 fully functional, real world systems up and running by 2021. We should know the answer in 4 years, I suppose.

Probably an even bigger pipe dream (HA! I'm funny) than Maglev, but Orlando/Miami was named a HyperLoop Top Ten in the world. http://www.wesh.com/article/hyperloop-names-orlando-miami-route-as-winner-of-global-challenge/12242417 List of winners: Toronto to Montreal Bengaluru-Chennai Mumbai-Chennai Mexico City-Guadalajara Edinburgh-London Gasgow-Liverpool Chicago-Columbus-Pittsburgh Miami-Orlando Cheyenne-Denver-Pueblo Dallas-Laredo-Houston

Is there a 50+ year old oak tree store somewhere?

If Orlando leaders are serious about this, the implications to mass transit growth could be astronomical. That would please me to no end.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

"I've seen you in blue and I've seen you in yellow, but only you red will do for this fellow."

Drive by that location and see if you ever have the tiniest bit of trouble getting a table. I don't know many restaurateurs that would say "Yeah, our service wasn't good and our food was subpar." I've eaten at both locations and it was the same at both. I'd love for them to be amazing. I'd love to have a go-to place with that concept.

Weird.

Anyone eating there can tell you why. The service was horrible. The wings were pretty good. The menu is jacked up with too many options in some ways and too few options in others. The number one seasoning being SALT and more SALT on everything.

A little birdie told me that there should be a few more major route announcements coming very soon.

A buddy of mine went to another of these Corrine meetings this past Monday evening. He said it was an embarrassing day to be a resident of the area. He didn't go into a ton of detail, but he did mention that the crowd got a bit nasty to the hosts without provocation and the topics kept devolving off-topic every time the hosts would put them back on track. He lives in the neighborhood and is fairly surly when he wants to be, so I'm guessing it was grumpier than he says.

What would be insane on the streetcar front is to find a path to merge the I-drive corridor, the airport, and the LYMMO (replaced by streetcars on the same routes) into 1 multi-headed beast. An I-Drive loop being one, the 3 downtown being another, and connecters to both downtown and the airport. Although, that route to downtown would be seriously insane. You'd probably have to go straight down Orange Ave to Sand Lake... which would be redundant to SunRail and likely impossible.

This article is not behind the pay-wall. If it was when you found it, they've released it. It doesn't say anything we haven't rehashed over and over. Maglev's agreement lapsed for their elevated train. No immediate alternatives were given. Mayor Jacobs prefers a light rail system. The article estimates $50M-$70M a mile and publicly-funded instead of the Maglev private option. Weirdly (but it is the OBJ) it references using a system like New Orleans or Boston, but shows a photo of the Atlanta Streetcar which is NOTHING like the systems in NOLA (old timey and old timey LOOKING single trolley streetcars) or Boston (a subway/above ground train) shown. The streetcar systems in Atlanta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Streetcar), Cincinnati (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Bell_Connector), DC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Streetcar), Portland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Streetcar), Phoenix (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_Metro_Rail), Seattle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Streetcar), or Tucson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Link) are probably more likely options. I probably missed a couple of examples, but something like these would be more in line with what they are talking about. However, be it maglev or light rail, I still 100% believe that THIS route needs to be elevated over traffic or at least dedicated lane. I think elevated is an insanely better option and a must if they go to the airport. Maybe it is fine once it is on I-Drive to flow with traffic, but... ETA: All those wiki links and I missed a complete list one. Boo on me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcars_in_North_America

I don't ever come to the Coffee House because I'm only here for development news, so somehow I missed you leaving until it was referenced in other threads and I came to look. I'll just say from my point of view... saying: "Rick Scott killed HSR, which led to this, this, this happening." or "The Demopublicans of 19xx led the charge that caused projects like ______ to fail." or "The Republicrats led by Political McPoliticsface were the ones who made this part of town so awesome with projects like _______." is a ton different than some of the garbage people bring politics into. That's not insulting and it's fine. It's history and it's great to know why things happened and how they molded our area. It really cheapens points made when partisan politics get involved. Instant red flags for the conversation turning useless TO ME are things like "the liberal media" or "the conservative pundits" or "the left/right always does _____" This forum is about Urban Development. I totally understand that politics makes all development grow. No brainer. HOWEVER, insulting people who don't think like you do in the process of talking about it only detracts, it doesn't impart knowledge, it doesn't focus on the one that every person here is here for... it intentionally divides people and insults people. You can be Republican, Democrat, Green, Labor, Communist, Socialist, Politically Atheist, Conservative, Liberal, Moderate, Seussian, Martian, whatever and still have an interest in Urban Development. I firmly live by the motto that you don't make yourself better by making someone else look worse. I try hard to do that. I don't always do a perfect job of it, but you have to at least try to focus on what unites people instead of dividing people. Notable exception being people who like concrete lattice work, those folks are evil.

For the life of me I can't figure out why SFB isn't desperately trying to get public transportation out that way. Seems like a no-brainer, but I don't live up that way, so I'm probably missing a lot of factors. I see a bunch of rail track on a the Google Map...