AndyPok1

Oh, don't get me wrong. Its bad. But not overly so. I'd argue having an active Pine and Central is more important than Rosalind.

I will say walking by it, it isn't nearly as awful as the pictures make it out to be.

Yup! Here's a random bill from July 2016

This is the one I went to the MPB meeting to whine about right? I don't care about the ugliness or the size. I care about the lack of retail to draw people to this massively important corner.

Oh I'm aware. When I was an intern I would stop on my way to/from the airport. Late night breakfast taquitos?! Yesss

Whataburger Raisin Canes Taco Bueno Jack in the Box

Yeah, I'm the weird one here that I don't care about height and skyline to a lesser degree. I want fun designs and infill. I love BoA because of it's distinctiveness. I like Morgan and Morgan because it is rotated 45 degrees. I don't think we're ever going to have an impressive skyline, and I'm fine with that.

I find The Vue immensely forgettable. Would take CSP over it every day. Hell, its neighbor Aspire is significantly better than The Vue IMO

Also, they're redoing every awful 50s/60s era interchange/ramp that was built when the metro was 10% of what it is today. That alone will make so much difference that people don't realize.

Yeah was more rhetorical than anything. You would think even just lofts built above the crapty Imaging / Habit / etc plazas could sell for a pretty penny more than it costs to develop and would only require like 5 parking spots.

Interesting. I assume they're gonna close the one on Delaney then. It's an upgrade to be sure, but... why is no one even attempting any mixed use or height along Orange!

Not sure if this is an long con troll or I'm just dumb

Cutting through the lake, Google has it as a 9 minute .5 mile walk, which is basically same as the 10 minute, .6 mile walk to 55 West from Publix that I did weekly for 5 years. With two of the reusable grocery bags, you can carry $50 of groceries pretty easily, which for me at least, was plenty to go once or twice a week. Of course, I'm thinking as a single urban guy. I'm not cooking every day, let alone for an entire family.

I guess that's where we differ. I don't find CSP ugly at all. I think it's probably the best building outside of Citi Tower we've seen built downtown. I've now seen it from all 4 different directions on the highways and still don't get the complaints.

My friend recently got married at the venue, and is of course deeply saddened. The staircase and windows and lighting are all truly beautiful, and it is a shame to lose them. I wish there was a way to reincorporate the good assets. But, as @spenser1058 put so eloquently, it just doesn't belong there. For me it comes down to one simple thing. If losing them means we get southbound Sunrail, they go.