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  1. Exile

    Charlotte Off Topic

    Blackbeard's treasure?
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    Grand Bohemian Hotel

    Yeah. I was thinking that, with that roof pitch, at its highest point it might get close to Embassy Suites height. But hard to tell.
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    Rails to Trails

    It's Rudolph Anderson. That's a pretty significant editorial miss by the News. Gordon was the schools Superintendent, and to my knowledge, has no jets dedicated to his memory.
  4. According to Google Earth, Japanese Dogwood Lane just east of Main is 921'. The sidewalk in front of City Hall is 966'. I'm guessing this building will top out roughly equal to City Hall in elevation.
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    The Gateway Site

    The last post before this was GMan's own claim that the site is cursed. Now it's "the hotel." Are we being punked?
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    That building was originally the Plaza Theater. I'm sorry to hear it's going to be demolished. I've always had a faint (and admittedly unrealistic) hope that it would be revived as a theater, maybe along the lines of the Enzian in Maitland, FL (outside Orlando).
  7. Exile

    The glut of available office space downtown

    Not a problem. We agree to disagree. I will say, however, that the level of certainty that you're expressing is beyond the knowledge of even the most well-connected, successful agent, developer, or city/county representative. You're essentially saying that you have sufficiently detailed knowledge of every single instance both currently and historically to speak absolutely. Sorry, but your burden of proof is way bigger than mine.
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    The glut of available office space downtown

    All I'm doing is accounting for location decisions based on the knowledge that I have. I haven't made any absolutist statements. I am perfectly willing to acknowledge that a city might be able to come up with some sort of incentive to lure to the CBD even those companies who have good reasons not to locate downtown (though you don't seem to think that such good reasons exist, as far as I can tell). But the fact remains that some companies prefer (even strongly prefer) *a* (particular) suburban location (not "suburbia" in general). I get that this is Urban Planet, and believe me, on one level I'm with you. But not everybody loves urbanity. That's just the reality, and we live "next door" to those people. As for Apple, I'm speaking of their 4th campus, which, e.g., Raleigh is still in the running for. Of course Apple has a presence in some CBD's. I never stated or implied anything different. What I said was that, for their 4th campus, they *prefer* a suburban location. I did not say (or imply) that, come hell or high water, they're going to locate in the 'burbs. Who knows, they may put up a supertall in mid-town Manhattan. But if they do, it will be against their initially expressed preference.
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    The glut of available office space downtown

    You'll have to take my word for it. I know this professionally first-hand, and I also know it via friends who are decision-makers for their own companies. I'm not operating from newspaper reports, so I'm not inclined to do the research to satisfy that--fairly arbitrary--demand. But then, in another thread, someone just (today) noted that the "Greenville Snooze" isn't particularly reliable with details, so what you're asking for wouldn't be particularly authoritative, anyway, even if I found something to support what I'm saying. But I'll grant you this: they don't generally say "we want to be in suburbia." They'll say something like, "we want to be along 385 not far from Southchase." Or "the closer to Spartanburg the better, without leaving Greenville," (meaning really Greenville County, less likely the city) or the like. Six of one, half dozen of another.
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    The glut of available office space downtown

    I don't disagree with you in principle. To be more transparent, pretty much all my statements have an unwritten, "Given that we're unfortunately locked into this crummy (if not corrupt) system of government incentives..." prefixed to them.
  11. Exile

    The glut of available office space downtown

    A few observations: 1) Lower cost is huge. 2) As for consulting employees, some do, some don't. I'm aware of examples of both. It is true, though, that the larger a company gets, the less employee input there is in this kind of decision, if for no other reason than the cacophany that it would create by giving everybody a voice in the process. 3) These decisions are made with boards and stockholders looming in the background. It may be a bad decision, but that doesn't mean it's not a rational one. 4) It's not the company putting the cost of the infrastructure (such as there is) on the backs of taxpayers, it's the municipal government. Go after them. 5) As for why TD paid for empty space for so long, I'm as flummoxed about that as you are.
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    The glut of available office space downtown

    None? You don't know that, which you demonstrate by immediately shifting to probabilities. All it takes is one counter-example to blow your theory. Apple, for example, which has publicly expressed its preference for suburban locations for its next campus, wherever it lands. And I know first-hand of companies who don't want to be downtown (in Greenville). Period. This can be for a whole host of reasons, some of which you've more or less accurately summarized. And if Greenville gets out-competed by Mauldin, then bravo for Mauldin. What's good for Mauldin is good for Greenville, and vice versa. We're all in this together. Greenville's Goliath might learn something and not fall to Mauldin's David next time.
  13. Great pics, but this angle makes me long for the day when that old Bowater parking garage is no more (that imaginary day).
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    The glut of available office space downtown

    I don't get the vitriol. This is more proof that some people/companies just don't want to be downtown, no matter how great we think it is. To each his own. Don't get me wrong--I wish they'd stayed downtown, but for every reason to stay, there's a reason to leave, and for some the latter is more weighty. Who am I to cast aspersions--it's their $$? But we can certainly learn how to make the CBD even better so that the inflow exceeds the outflow. ("we" as in those tasked with marketing Greenville). BBT moved into what amounts to an operations center, right? No point in having that downtown--that move makes sense to me. And I think TD's suburban campus is very nice and, as some on this forum have noted, makes a great statement on I-85, along with Hubbell, ICAR, and the developing hotel village. Yes. It's an opportunity--or at least that's the way Greenville's marketers need to be looking at it. You never know: there might be a whale out there that wouldn't look at all without big blocks of available space.
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    Augusta Road

    How historic is it? Built in the 30's or 40's? Not sure that qualifies. I actually knew the owners back in the 70's. If it's the same family (this would be children or even possibly grandchildren), then not much to do. We can disapprove, but there are houses just like that one going up all over the place.