SouthPark neighborhood Projects

[pgsinger]

12 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I’ve always thought that Carolina Place was kind of a dump.  I’d like to see it replaced with a huge Birkdale-style complex with retail, apartments, hotels, and some new schools.

The redevelopment of Carolina Place mall will come sooner than most probably expect.  However, a lot of it will hinge on the blue line extension.  Brookfield recently (18 months ago?) took GGP private again.  They believe that numerous malls in GGP's portfolio are ripe for redevelopment.  In my conversations with the Brookfield team, they specifically cited Carolina Place Mall.  In addition to actively pursuing the mall as a stop for the extension, they want to add apartments and make other upgrades to make it more of a destination than it currently is.  It will not go away, but look for more development similar to what has occurred around South Park to happen actually on the grounds of the mall.  While we may see some of this start in the near term, it is likely a 10 year+ timeline for a material impact to be made. 

[KJHburg]

Brookfield has already started a redevelopment at North Point Mall in Alpharetta.   They are tearing down the vacant Sears and put outside restaurants along with an apartment complex.  It will be way too late for Brookfield to wait until a big maybe LYNX is extended that way.   They need to start this redevelopment maybe with that in mind but starting the North Point Mall treatment.  I have been to both malls and North Point is slightly better but struggling due to a nearby outside mixed used development called Avalon (like Waverly but much bigger)  This area has great demographics as does Carolina Place.  

from the ATL Biz Journal

""A planned 30-acre redevelopment of Alpharetta’s North Point Mall would add apartments, retail space and a new outdoor plaza.  Mall owner Brookfield Property Partners L.P submitted new renderings to Alpharetta officials of the project that would remake North Point’s former Sears department store. Brookfield last year acquired General Growth Properties Inc.  The images show a striking new entrance to the mall, dubbed “The Point” in renderings. They also show a large greenspace with a water feature. The project would add 300 residential units in three buildings and 24,000 square feet of retail and restaurant space in three buildings. Drive-through restaurants are discouraged, according to the city’s staff report, suggesting officials want the new project to be pedestrian friendly. Rooftops and outdoor dining are encouraged.    Other features of the plan include a new multi-use path along North Point Circle, which wraps around the mall.""

[pgsinger]

9 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

Brookfield has already started a redevelopment at North Point Mall in Alpharetta.   They are tearing down the vacant Sears and put outside restaurants along with an apartment complex.  It will be way too late for Brookfield to wait until a big maybe LYNX is extended that way.   They need to start this redevelopment maybe with that in mind but starting the North Point Mall treatment.  I have been to both malls and North Point is slightly better but struggling due to a nearby outside mixed used development called Avalon (like Waverly but much bigger)  This area has great demographics as does Carolina Place.  

from the ATL Biz Journal

""A planned 30-acre redevelopment of Alpharetta’s North Point Mall would add apartments, retail space and a new outdoor plaza.  Mall owner Brookfield Property Partners L.P submitted new renderings to Alpharetta officials of the project that would remake North Point’s former Sears department store. Brookfield last year acquired General Growth Properties Inc.  The images show a striking new entrance to the mall, dubbed “The Point” in renderings. They also show a large greenspace with a water feature. The project would add 300 residential units in three buildings and 24,000 square feet of retail and restaurant space in three buildings. Drive-through restaurants are discouraged, according to the city’s staff report, suggesting officials want the new project to be pedestrian friendly. Rooftops and outdoor dining are encouraged.    Other features of the plan include a new multi-use path along North Point Circle, which wraps around the mall.""

If I speak to them again, I will ask about their time frame to start improvements.  However, my expectation is that they will not do much until something is decided on the light rail.  As I understand it, the blue line could stop at the mall exactly or be several miles away from it.  Those create two very different results for the mall.  Without the rail to spur the new life, I am not sure they will want to reposition it as a retail center in the face of some other nearby centers (Ballantyne, Tanger, etc.).  After all, the mall is dying in part due to location and competition.  Without the light rail, an entirely new purpose for the land may be the best use.  I will probably talk to those guys in a few weeks, so I will let you know what they say if this comes up.

[SydneyCarton]

That's interesting.   Brookfield also owns Southpoint in Durham, and they're planning something similar. 

[Guest]

I know that I'm in the minority here, but I'd really like to see the mall come down and be replaced with a walkable, outside shopping center.

Actually I bet you are in the majority


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[J-Rob]

In Actual SouthPark news, demolition on the Colony Apartments is finally on the calendar, which means Publix will enter SouthPark before Uptown.

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2019/12/02/demolition-of-southpark-apartments-imminent-to.html?iana=hpmvp_clt_news_headline

"The first phase will include 280,000 square feet of retail space and 340 apartments, including about 18 units of workforce housing, Hose said. The retail portion will be anchored by a 68,000-square-foot Publix grocery store and a Life Time Fitness facility. Leases with other retail tenants are "very close," he said, declining to disclose specifics.

Once construction begins, the phasing of the project could move quickly. Hose said the goal is to finalize a deal with a hotel flag within the next year and, possibly, to also begin work on the first of two planned office buildings within that same time frame. The site is entitled for up to 250,000 square feet of office space, which would likely be split evenly between two buildings. Hose said the developers are flexible on the exact sizing and phasing of the office component, depending on tenant needs and preferences.

The site can include a maximum of 300,000 square feet of retail space — about 20,000 square feet of that would be built on the ground floor of the office buildings."

Edited December 3, 2019 by J-Rob

[SydneyCarton]

This is great news.

Edited December 3, 2019 by SydneyCarton

[CLT_sc]

Construction fence is up around The Colony.

also, hearing rumors of a 16 story residential tower on Fairview in addition to Novant’s tower.  Hope this is true, the stretch in Fairview in front of Nordstrom needs work. 

[SydneyCarton]

10 hours ago, CLT_sc said:

Construction fence is up around The Colony.

also, hearing rumors of a 16 story residential tower on Fairview in addition to Novant’s tower.  Hope this is true, the stretch in Fairview in front of Nordstrom needs work. 

Which building on Fairview might come down?

[CLT_sc]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Which building on Fairview might come down?

 I heard the 5/3 Building, but I heard this from out of the blue....from a reliable source.  The Novant building is much more solid.

Edited December 21, 2019 by CLT_sc

[KJHburg]

53 minutes ago, CLT_sc said:

 I heard the 5/3 Building, but I heard this from out of the blue....from a reliable source.  The Novant building is much more solid.

5/3 has vacated that building though they might be someone else upstairs but it was built in the 1960s and I have heard it might be torn down too. 

[SydneyCarton]

1 hour ago, CLT_sc said:

 I heard the 5/3 Building, but I heard this from out of the blue....from a reliable source.  The Novant building is much more solid.

Thanks, there are some junky buildings closer to Park Rd.  I specifically hoped that you referred to the one just west of McDonald’s (across from Nordstrom). Hopefully, that will  be redeveloped too.

Edited December 21, 2019 by SydneyCarton

[KJHburg]

Looking for some post Christmas bargains in the area.   Apex SouthPark is great project and after talking to some contractors hotel is just now coming out of the ground as well as the Sharon Church building.  for a review of the project click here  https://www.apexsouthpark.com/   Childress Klein does great work.    Lots of photos as I don't get to Southpark as much as I like to.  Drove or walked  all around to get photos as you can see 

 

[KJHburg]

Other miscellaneous Southpark projects.  Really many of these projects are so big they need their own thread but I digress.  1. I see some surveying on the Capitol Towers 3 site.   Photos 6-9 The Zom Living apartment and retail complex looking good and the AC by Marriott hotel is really nice (photos 2-4).  Can't wait to go to the rooftop patio.   

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

Other miscellaneous Southpark projects.  Really many of these projects are so big they need their own thread but I digress.  1. I see some surveying on the Capitol Towers 3 site.   Photos 6-9 The Zom Living apartment and retail complex looking good and the AC by Marriott hotel is really nice (photos 2-4).  Can't wait to go to the rooftop patio.   

South Park... continuing to get better architecture than South End.

[KJHburg]

On 12/21/2019 at 12:19 AM, CLT_sc said:

Construction fence is up around The Colony.

also, hearing rumors of a 16 story residential tower on Fairview in addition to Novant’s tower.  Hope this is true, the stretch in Fairview in front of Nordstrom needs work. 

Correct as confirmed in Charlotte Ledger today.  Dominion Realty Partners the developer of FNB Tower uptown will develop the 15 story tower.

https://charlotteledger.substack.com/

""Raleigh-based developer Dominion Realty Partners says it has a prime piece of real estate on Fairview Road under contract and has submitted plans to the city to build an apartment tower that would be the tallest residential building in SouthPark.  The location is across from the Nordstrom entrance to SouthPark mall on the site of the old Fifth Third Bank building, said Andy Andrews, Dominion Realty’s CEO, in an interview with The Ledger. The company is planning a building that is about 15 stories high with 365 apartments — although those numbers could change based on conversations with city planners, Andrews said. Property records show the site is about 1.8 acres.  The apartment tower would be on a stretch of Fairview composed mostly of stately office towers, including the nearby SouthPark Towers — which, at 14 and 15 stories, are the tallest structures in SouthPark.""

[Blue_Devil]

20 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

Correct as confirmed in Charlotte Ledger today.  Dominion Realty Partners the developer of FNB Tower uptown will develop the 15 story tower.

https://charlotteledger.substack.com/

""Raleigh-based developer Dominion Realty Partners says it has a prime piece of real estate on Fairview Road under contract and has submitted plans to the city to build an apartment tower that would be the tallest residential building in SouthPark.  The location is across from the Nordstrom entrance to SouthPark mall on the site of the old Fifth Third Bank building, said Andy Andrews, Dominion Realty’s CEO, in an interview with The Ledger. The company is planning a building that is about 15 stories high with 365 apartments — although those numbers could change based on conversations with city planners, Andrews said. Property records show the site is about 1.8 acres.  The apartment tower would be on a stretch of Fairview composed mostly of stately office towers, including the nearby SouthPark Towers — which, at 14 and 15 stories, are the tallest structures in SouthPark.""

Southpark is becoming its own City

[Matthew.Brendan]

A miniature Buckhead, minus the tall condos.

[CLT2014]

I really wish we could get some sort of transit into South Park with the amount of density getting built. While we are adding density, it isn't really walkable density and will just continue to choke this area in traffic. Most people in these luxury apartments will be driving for all errands (for example, nobody in this new apartment will walk to Whole Foods and cross Sharon Road. They'll drive their Land Rover.) 

Meanwhile, the southern half of the Blue Line (Woodlawn and further south) continues to be under-developed on density around stations. 

Edited January 8, 2020 by CLT2014

[KJHburg]

Here is what a 10 story apartment tower looks like in Southpark the Apex Southpark  and its live cam across Sharon Rd. 

http://webcampub.multivista.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=aPublicWebcam.page&WebcamPublicPageUID=8B4F1CC9-93B9-48E5-8CF7-078702BAA7BB

[Hushpuppy321]

What is this ‘Novant Tower’ that was referenced along Fairview Rd?

[KJHburg]

I would suspect a Novant tower would be huge medical office building and there are still more areas to redevelop in Southpark area.  Southpark is getting quite a bit of senior apartments expansion with Sharon Towers expanding, new Barclay at Southpark and of course Cypress is just down the street.  Plus densely populated areas in every direction from southpark. 

[videtur quam contuor]

"densely populated"?

[CLT2014]

6 minutes ago, tarhoosier said:

"densely populated"?

Urban sprawl density. The worst type replicated in traffic clogged cities like Los Angeles, Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta. 

Just dense enough you have a lot of people living in one area.... but the large buildings and road network are laid out like a suburb off major arterial roads. This makes all the residents completely car dependent and trying to run errands in the same square mile driving from place to place like a suburban area in Fort Mill. 

Edited January 9, 2020 by CLT2014

[KJHburg]

5 minutes ago, tarhoosier said:

"densely populated"?

I mean in the sense every available acre is developed nearby with homes or something.  and the immediate area around the mall is dense too with midrise apartments and condos.