SouthPark neighborhood Projects

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Thanks for the clarification.

[RANYC]

1 hour ago, atlrvr said:

They bid on the 7th and Tryon project RFP that was ultimately won by Metropolitan.  The be clear that project (and I believe this South Park one) is Related Group based in Miami.  Which is a distant cousin of Related Cos which did Hudson Yards.  Both developers are known for high quality architecture though.

Ah OK - this is Related Group, not Co?  I recall Co from my time in NYC.  Group, on the other hand, is building an apartment project in Downtown Jacksonville.  Didn't know there was a connection between the two.   Related and Related are related.

Edited October 6, 2021 by RANYC

[SydneyCarton]

2 hours ago, atlrvr said:

They bid on the 7th and Tryon project RFP that was ultimately won by Metropolitan.  The be clear that project (and I believe this South Park one) is Related Group based in Miami.  Which is a distant cousin of Related Cos which did Hudson Yards.  Both developers are known for high quality architecture though.

Thanks.   I thought that it was Steve Ross' Related.  I agree that they both do very nice work.  

Edited October 6, 2021 by SydneyCarton

[KJHburg]

Drove through Trianon today and looked at the surrounding land uses.  One side backs to the office buildings along Rexford Road and along Roxborough Rd so I think you could do office buildings along this property line with mid rise apartments or condos elsewhere.  Luxury townhomes backing up to the SF homes in the back portion of the land. 

where can I send my consulting bill to your NYC office?

photos 1-3 Trianon  now

photos 4-5 the Colony redevelopment across the street notice the height 

photos 6 to the end an example of what you can do the Hazel Southpark. 

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I checked Trianon property registry for a half dozen units and they were all in the names of different individual owners. Perhaps owner-resident, perhaps rented, but no owner with multiple units and no corporate owner among those on Roxborough that I investigated. In other words, ownership likely what we think that it is.

[rancenc]

From a past May episode of WTVI's "Carolina Impact" show on the construction boom in Southpark!

 

[B Randy]

On 10/5/2021 at 10:01 PM, SydneyCarton said:

Thanks.   I thought that it was Steve Ross' Related.  I agree that they both do very nice work.  

Correct.  Related Group out of Fla.  Mostly multifamily. 

Do great work, big get for our market.  They are on the ground here.

[InSouthPark]

In some possible future development news, there might be 5.5acres of office/land on Carnegie on the market soon.   I can't see anyone buying it to keep it....the office building is, to put it nicely, is a dump for Southpark.  Would be prime spot for some more apartments, especially if they could ever get Capital Tower 3 off the ground. 

[KJHburg]

4 hours ago, InSouthPark said:

In some possible future development news, there might be 5.5acres of office/land on Carnegie on the market soon.   I can't see anyone buying it to keep it....the office building is, to put it nicely, is a dump for Southpark.  Would be prime spot for some more apartments, especially if they could ever get Capital Tower 3 off the ground. 

which office building will be for sale on Carnegie one of those smaller 3 story buildings?  and you are right office redevelopment is going to start happening with tenants looking for quality buildings or work from home flex options.  

[SydneyCarton]

There’s no new news in this clip, but it’s still pretty good.

 

[KJHburg]

New Tower update:

Sounds like Lincoln Harris is going to start its building previously discusssed and rezoned a few years back on Carnegie. 

5954 Carnegie - Lincoln Harris   from what I remember this was a good looking building behind the twin Capitol Towers very modern looking in contrast to the Capitol Towers. 

5954 Carnegie
Charlotte, NC 28210

355,800 SF office / ground floor retail

10 stories

Available late 2023

Remarkable views of Uptown

Expansive balcony on penthouse floor

Outdoor balcony space on every floor

Glass facade

Structured parking with direct access into building

Premier location providing direct access to Charlotte’s most upscale neighborhoods

Healthy work environment including touchless path of travel and state-of-the art HVAC

FAST FACTS
Type:    Office/Retail
Available for Lease:    400,000 SF
Min Available:    40,000 SF
Max Available:    400,000 SF

 

[t_money]

Ridr Knowlton
Senior Vice President

Now that is a name I have not heard before!

[QCxpat]

13 hours ago, KJHburg said:

New Tower update:

Sounds like Lincoln Harris is going to start its building previously discusssed and rezoned a few years back on Carnegie. 

5954 Carnegie - Lincoln Harris   from what I remember this was a good looking building behind the twin Capitol Towers very modern looking in contrast to the Capitol Towers. 

5954 Carnegie
Charlotte, NC 28210

355,800 SF office / ground floor retail

10 stories

Available late 2023

Remarkable views of Uptown

Expansive balcony on penthouse floor

Outdoor balcony space on every floor

Glass facade

Structured parking with direct access into building

Premier location providing direct access to Charlotte’s most upscale neighborhoods

Healthy work environment including touchless path of travel and state-of-the art HVAC

FAST FACTS
Type:    Office/Retail
Available for Lease:    400,000 SF
Min Available:    40,000 SF
Max Available:    400,000 SF

 

This rendering is what Lincoln Harris proposed in 2018; not sure if exactly the same now.

                          

 

                     

 

Edited October 22, 2021 by QCxpat

[stw52]

Apart from the Lincoln Harris build, are any of the 60 proposed towers for SouthPark area? Specifically is the residential tower on Fairview opposite the mall still on? 

[KJHburg]

40 minutes ago, stw52 said:

Apart from the Lincoln Harris build, are any of the 60 proposed towers for SouthPark area? Specifically is the residential tower on Fairview opposite the mall still on? 

unfortunately no that tower site was sold for a drum roll please.......................................a bank branch for Home Trust Bank.   But dont count this area out and there are a few more spots for high rises to rise. 

[Hushpuppy321]

4 hours ago, KJHburg said:

unfortunately no that tower site was sold for a drum roll please.......................................a bank branch for Home Trust Bank.   But dont count this area out and there are a few more spots for high rises to rise. 

I wonder if the SouthEnd and the Ballantyne Reimagined Project would take some wind out of the Sails for Highrise Residential in Southpark or are both too far away to matter?  I would suspect opposition to Highrises in SouthPark would be ferocious from any affected neighbors.  
 

Apex Southpark and this failed Tower on Fairview wouldn’t be visible to Single Family Subdivisions.  Not so sure about other possible Tower locations in SP.

[KJHburg]

9 hours ago, Hushpuppy321 said:

I wonder if the SouthEnd and the Ballantyne Reimagined Project would take some wind out of the Sails for Highrise Residential in Southpark or are both too far away to matter?  I would suspect opposition to Highrises in SouthPark would be ferocious from any affected neighbors.  
 

Apex Southpark and this failed Tower on Fairview wouldn’t be visible to Single Family Subdivisions.  Not so sure about other possible Tower locations in SP.

no from what I heard Dominion Partners was going to build the high rise but the banks offer was too good to pass up.  I dont think there was any resistance to the tower there for it was going to be right on Fairview Road across  from the mall.   There are a few more spots but it is okay if there are not high rises everywhere here.   But look for more at Ballantyne, of course Southend, Midtown and uptown.  

[CLT2014]

South Park probably won't be transit accessible in our lifetimes. I think concentrating tower development in more accessible locations makes sense. South Park doesn't even have good road or highway access and is heavily gridlocked at rush hour -> especially around Christmas. Towers in areas like this are urban sprawl with many car dependent trips rather than smart urban development.

Edited November 18, 2021 by CLT2014

[Guest]

I would actually support a height limit for South Park. Limit density due to the reasons mentioned above, and it would create a unique neighborhood and opportunity for different kinds of development than we usually see. 

[SydneyCarton]

7 hours ago, MothBeast said:

I would actually support a height limit for South Park. Limit density due to the reasons mentioned above, and it would create a unique neighborhood and opportunity for different kinds of development than we usually see. 

I agree.  I wouldn’t want to see Buckhead-style skyscrapers in SouthPark.

[SydneyCarton]

This is a great project.

 

 

[SydneyCarton]

I was very impressed by the development that I observed in SouthPark yesterday.

I think that the strip between Sharon and Morrison that separates the former Colony from the mall should be redeveloped and incorporated into the Colony.

I know that this is heresy for some people, but I think that very large parts of the mall should be razed and redeveloped into an outdoor, mixed-use development.

Not only are indoor malls dead, but North Carolina’s climate invites outdoor-oriented shopping.  

The second photo is a screenshot from a very good video by the 5 and 2 Project.

 

 

Edited November 24, 2021 by SydneyCarton

[RANYC]

25 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I think that the strip between Sharon and Morrison that separates the former Colony from the mall should be redeveloped and incorporated into the Colony.

I know that this is heresy for some people, but I think that very large parts of the mall should be razed and redeveloped into an outdoor, mixed-use development.

Not only are indoor malls dead, but North Carolina’s climate invites outdoor-oriented shopping.  

The second photo is a screenshot from a very good video by the 5 and 2 Project.

 

 

I’m right there with you on indoor malls versus outdoor, mixed-use, activity centers 

[KJHburg]

In terms of the mall there is no need to fixed what is not broken.   This is one of the highest grossing malls in terms of sales per square foot.  A Triple A mall.  If any of the big department stores closes and that is a BIG if then they would probably consider redevelopment and open air component.   (they did this with the old Sears where Dicks is now many of you probably were not around then)   I do like outdoor malls but this is fine the way it is with our hot and humid summers and the usual amount of rain we get around here.  

[JRCLT]

My thoughts are that developing the surface lots around it should be done. Lots around malls are like deserts. Crossing a sizable parking lot feels like you’re walking and not making any progress, it’s mentally draining. As for the Mall itself I would say maybe somewhat enclosed on the top for weather protection. Like the Galleria in Milan someone mentioned somewhere can’t remember.

Galleria:


I mean…the front entrance kind of already has the look already.
SouthPark:

You could just remove the current roofing and extend the glass over the other concourses and perhaps to make it feel more outdoors… aside from more natural light remove the physical doors/wall entirely at these entrances in red. The department stores are like dead ends and not proper entrances to the mall. Blue circles are domes or maybe even a pyramid: something that lets lots of natural light in.




It’s fun to explore what can be done to improve a place. This idea is much less destructive in terms of razing large portions as SydneyCarton mentioned but it got me thinking South Park can be a lot more than just a suburban mall. The addition of something like this would be a minor improvement in making it look and feel like outdoors and more inviting without too much demolition I’d guess.