Davidson West: Bellevue, Bordeaux, Green Hills, MetroCenter, Nations, N Nashville

[smeagolsfree]

Here ya go. I do not see 10 stories. 316 units

[downtownresident]

51 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Here ya go. I do not see 10 stories. 316 units

Given who the developer is, this will likely have a lot of cheap stucco.

[AsianintheNations]

2 hours ago, markhollin said:

This screen shot from Smeagolsfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in teal at the center of the frame:

 

Does the parcel also extend west all the way to I-440? I believe the ALSCO uniform building is the white quadrilateral adjacent to the marked sliver (which is 100 x 1500 ft based on Google maps), and it sounds like that will be demolished. Would give more space for road access.

[smeagolsfree]

Alsco is a separate parcel and owned by them it looks like according to parcel viewer. There is a strip of land in between this land and the interstate and that part of the land I think may be owned by the state as there is no owner listed and the zoning simply states IR with no owner listed. That is probably part of the state right of way, but I am unsure.

[markhollin]

Sylvan Supply (converted mill of 162,000 sq. ft. office space and 32,000 sq. ft. restaurant/retail at 4101 Charlotte Ave.) will add Red Perch seafood restaurant, beauty School Salon, Ela Mar Med Salon, and a Barista Parlor coffeehouse.  This means 80% of the space is now leased.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/west-nashville-s-sylvan-supply-lands-new-tenants/article_40e2ff36-acee-11eb-9f85-4b223321dd74.html
 

A rendering of the Barista Parlor at Sylvan Supply:


 

[AsianintheNations]

16 hours ago, Dunkijo said:

Is this due to lumber supply or for another structural reason?

I am almost certain it is due to the absurd price and scarcity of lumber, as you cited, especially given the ongoing breakneck pace of local construction of single family homes, townhouses, and 5-over-1s all clamoring for wood. Certainly haven't seen steel framing previously for any of the <6 story buildings in the neighborhood. I wonder if this means that there will be steel-framed tall skinnies going up soon, too?

Random length lumber commodity price chart (Source: Nasdaq) - up another 4.2% today to $1544:

Interesting and incredibly frustrating all the specific things that are in shortage right now - e.g. lumber, computer chips, and scientific laboratory supplies (specifically, pipette tips).

Edited May 6, 2021 by AsianintheNations

[AsianintheNations]

On 4/29/2021 at 5:48 PM, smeagolsfree said:

I was on the meeting for a while last night and I will say most of the neighbors are not happy with this project and are against it for a a variety or reasons....traffic, its too tall, we don’t want rentals in our community, there will be crime, traffic, why can’t they be condos, traffic......you get the picture.

The problem is that folks do not  understand the difference between residential traffic and retail traffic, and they would be getting a traffic signal at the Dalts entrance/exit. One comment was people could rent a home for 2400 a month instead of the 1800-3200 these would be but there are not enough homes to rent.

I can’t imagine someone paying 3200 a month coming to their  neighborhood committing crime, but what do I know.

Oh did I mention traffic.

To be honest, a little more traffic would probably make White Bridge safer for drivers and pedestrians. It drives too much like a highway and is so prone to accidents, and as someone mentioned, horrendous for pedestrians (feels like there's one crosswalk every half mile). I saw a car accident at that Dalt's entrance a few weeks ago involving someone trying to make a left turn out from the plaza. The whole stretch of White Bridge is in between Briley Parkway and Woodmont Blvd (in design, not just physically), with the size and speed approaching the former but the frequent driveways/intersections of the latter, most without traffic lights. Recently watched a Youtube video about the dangers of "stroads," and that is exactly what this is.

The complaint about its height is bizarre. Are they worried that it will cast shadows on the Target? This is tucked in the one spot where its height won't bother anything else. Unless you live in Lion's Head condos, I don't think anyone else living around there would be able to see it from their house.

[markhollin]

The large warehouse on 3.5 acres at 5300 Centennial Blvd. is going to have adaptive reuse for office and retail by Nathan Lyons. Centric Architecture is handling design. A $75,000 permit has been issued for City Construction to handle interior demo.  An initial rendering is available.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/warehouse-in-the-nations-eyed-for-major-update/article_ed78e74c-adde-11eb-82c7-a37b03777cc2.html
 

This screen shot from Smeagolsfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in red at the center of the frame:

[AsianintheNations]

12 hours ago, markhollin said:

The large warehouse on 3.5 acres at 5300 Centennial Blvd. is going to have adaptive reuse for office and retail by Nathan Lyons. Centric Architecture is handling design. A $75,000 permit has been issued for City Construction to handle interior demo.  An initial rendering is available.

That looks really cool! But for God's sake, PLEASE put a crosswalk somewhere, anywhere and make a more welcoming pedestrian entrance instead of the solid wall of parking! I think I speak for everyone in the Nations that we are sick of having to jaywalk across 4 lanes of truck traffic to get to all this cool new retail on the other side of Centennial (or otherwise trudging all the way to 51st Ave to cross the street).

[samsonh]

1 hour ago, AsianintheNations said:

That looks really cool! But for God's sake, PLEASE put a crosswalk somewhere, anywhere and make a more welcoming pedestrian entrance instead of the solid wall of parking! I think I speak for everyone in the Nations that we are sick of having to jaywalk across 4 lanes of truck traffic to get to all this cool new retail on the other side of Centennial (or otherwise trudging all the way to 51st Ave to cross the street).

The 51st crosswalk is better since the construction but it still feels a bit dangerous at times. Mainly because so many people get confused at that intersection combined with the large trucks going through.

[AsianintheNations]

23 hours ago, samsonh said:

The 51st crosswalk is better since the construction but it still feels a bit dangerous at times. Mainly because so many people get confused at that intersection combined with the large trucks going through.

Yeah, it's not awesome by any stretch - I've complained plenty about the 51st-Centennial-Louisiana intersection elsewhere. That crosswalk is only one the western side of the intersection for some reason. But at least it's a marked crosswalk. Last I checked, there are ZERO more crosswalks heading west on Centennial, as in all the way to the end of Centennial at John C Tune. There are a few going east - e.g. one for the Innophos parking lot, then another at 39th at the entryway to TSU's western side of campus. Honestly not much on the other side of the street to cross to at both locations right now. I think the intersection of New York, 54th, and Centennial shown below would be a great location for a painted crosswalk and a yield to pedestrians sign for traffic on Centennial Blvd. Silo Market, Nashville Lumber re-use, and that building with White Bison and the nail and tattoo shops are all destinations across Centennial from the bulk of Nations residents who are in walking distance. And the growing number of people living on the river side of Centennial (Silo Bend and other Silo X  Y Z projects, Alta Union, etc.) might like to walk their dogs on the quieter streets to the south or go to Burger Joint / Ugly Mug / Daddy's Dogs.

[GregH]

I think 54th at Silo bend might need a light or a 4-way at some point. I think the 51-Centennial intersection will be mostly solved if they put another ped refuge on the corner by the Deli like this terrible MS Paint I did but Louisiana being there is really a mess.

[AUNash]

Would that spot work for a traffic circle?

[smeagolsfree]

It would make it a lot worse or pedestrians IMO. With traffic round abouts it seems that drivers always seem to think they have the right of way over pedestrians when they approach the intersections. When I am walking downtown, I hate crossing at one of the circles because drivers just are not paying attention to pedestrians.

A solution would be a round about with a modified traffic signal  in heavy pedestrian areas that can be triggered by  a push signal that can actually turn the signal red for the pedestrian rather than a flashing yellow. From what I have seen the flashing yellow does not work here for pedestrian crossings and they need to be flashing reds.

In Washington DC there are actually traffic signals at the many circles but these are times because there is so much traffic and pedestrians at these areas such as Dupont Circle.

[PruneTracy]

I dropped a roundabout on it a couple of years ago when I was bored at work but quit halfway through because I ended up taking out most of the buildings around it. It does actually work well from a geometric standpoint with the exception of the north leg of 51st Avenue which turns into a mess (the north leg also being the reason it has to be so large, it's at the max diameter for a two-lane roundabout). Here's the unfinished product:

 

[dmillsphoto]

10 hours ago, AUNash said:

Would that spot work for a traffic circle?

Not at all, as the north part of 51st serves as one of the primary ingress/egress points for TriStar Energy and there's a TON of semi-tanker traffic.

[GregH]

Yeah unfortunately I think it would be tough to fit a circle that would be navigable by regular truck traffic in the space that's there.

[ThunderOne]

On 5/8/2021 at 10:59 PM, AsianintheNations said:

Yeah, it's not awesome by any stretch - I've complained plenty about the 51st-Centennial-Louisiana intersection elsewhere. That crosswalk is only one the western side of the intersection for some reason. But at least it's a marked crosswalk. Last I checked, there are ZERO more crosswalks heading west on Centennial, as in all the way to the end of Centennial at John C Tune. There are a few going east - e.g. one for the Innophos parking lot, then another at 39th at the entryway to TSU's western side of campus. Honestly not much on the other side of the street to cross to at both locations right now. I think the intersection of New York, 54th, and Centennial shown below would be a great location for a painted crosswalk and a yield to pedestrians sign for traffic on Centennial Blvd. Silo Market, Nashville Lumber re-use, and that building with White Bison and the nail and tattoo shops are all destinations across Centennial from the bulk of Nations residents who are in walking distance. And the growing number of people living on the river side of Centennial (Silo Bend and other Silo X  Y Z projects, Alta Union, etc.) might like to walk their dogs on the quieter streets to the south or go to Burger Joint / Ugly Mug / Daddy's Dogs.

 

it is only a matter of time before more traffic lights and cross walks pop up along centennial, especially given the population density is going to go through the roof with all apartment complexes. I would contact Mary Carolyn and ask her what the city's plans are.

Edited May 10, 2021 by ThunderOne

[AsianintheNations]

A sensationalist headline about Novel Lion's Head from Fox 17 came up on my Facebook newsfeed, with the slant of traffic and high rent. The comments definitely took the bait - one top-ranked comment even referenced "driving the poor out" as a reason to oppose this (and probably every other) development. The NIMBY mindset can't seem to differentiate between projects that actually do displace people by at times harrassing homeowners to sell their property to redevelop their land, and this one where a defunct Steinmart of no special significance is the only casualty.  Also, characterizing this neighborhood as poor, seriously? Sigh ... (Yes, I did leave a comment trying to inject a bit of rational thought into the discourse)

Edited May 11, 2021 by AsianintheNations

[BnaBreaker]

9 hours ago, AsianintheNations said:

A sensationalist headline about Novel Lion's Head from Fox 17 came up on my Facebook newsfeed, with the slant of traffic and high rent. The comments definitely took the bait - one top-ranked comment even referenced "driving the poor out" as a reason to oppose this (and probably every other) development. The NIMBY mindset can't seem to differentiate between projects that actually do displace people by at times harrassing homeowners to sell their property to redevelop their land, and this one where a defunct Steinmart of no special significance is the only casualty.  Also, characterizing this neighborhood as poor, seriously? Sigh ... (Yes, I did leave a comment trying to inject a bit of rational thought into the discourse)

Wait, so according to the NIMBY's, this project and those like it both 'drive the poor out' and also, simultaneously, attract poor people and crime because density somehow automatically equals both of those things... it sounds to me like their narrative has no clear direction or basis.  Once again when the dust settles we are left with a bunch of people who are simply afraid of change, in whatever form it takes.  I think it's high time we remove the microphone from the NIMBY pedestal.  They are certainly entitled to their opinions and free to share those opinions with anyone who will listen.  But it seems to me that it's pretty rare that the NIMBY crowd has any input actually worth listening to.    That is not to say that developers should be able to just do whatever they want and that input from the community doesn't have it's place, and opposition to a project obviously doesn't automatically make one a NIMBY.  But if people are just pulling whatever random excuses they can out of their butt's to justify their general fear of new things, then I'd say that not only do they qualify as NIMBY's, but they also aren't worth wasting any time trying to appease and listen to.  They're free to move somewhere else if they're so haunted by multi-story construction, and there will be a thousand people chomping at the bit to take their place in the new and improved neighborhood.  

Edited May 11, 2021 by BnaBreaker

[smeagolsfree]

I would add that, imagine what the traffic would be like if this would have been a Chick Fil A instead of a apartment building. They would not have even added a traffic light.

[AsianintheNations]

12 hours ago, BnaBreaker said:

Wait, so according to the NIMBY's, this project and those like it both 'drive the poor out' and also, simultaneously, attract poor people and crime because density somehow automatically equals both of those things... it sounds to me like their narrative has no clear direction or basis.  Once again when the dust settles we are left with a bunch of people who are simply afraid of change, in whatever form it takes.  I think it's high time we remove the microphone from the NIMBY pedestal.  They are certainly entitled to their opinions and free to share those opinions with anyone who will listen.  But it seems to me that it's pretty rare that the NIMBY crowd has any input actually worth listening to.    That is not to say that developers should be able to just do whatever they want and that input from the community doesn't have it's place, and opposition to a project obviously doesn't automatically make one a NIMBY.  But if people are just pulling whatever random excuses they can out of their butt's to justify their general fear of new things, then I'd say that not only do they qualify as NIMBY's, but they also aren't worth wasting any time trying to appease and listen to.  They're free to move somewhere else if they're so haunted by multi-story construction, and there will be a thousand people chomping at the bit to take their place in the new and improved neighborhood.  

Yes, you nailed it on the head. This apartment building on former commercial space is both driving out and attracting the poor, according to nimbys. The reality of course being that some middle/upper middle class people will be moving into a predominantly middle/upper middle class neighborhood. But that doesn’t make for a viral Facebook headline, so “Old Nashville is dead, what a tragedy!” is what they go with.

[markhollin]

NashvilleNowNext has update on construction at of Bringle's Smoking Oasis BBQ in The Nations:

https://nashvillenownext.com/2021/04/26/video-post-construction-progress-at-bringles-smoking-oasis-in-the-nations/
 

[GregH]

For better and worse, with the distillery thing, the BBQ thing, Jeni's, and the brewery that strip is going to become a satellite tourist hub for all the airbnb guests staying in the Nations.

[markhollin]

Groundbreaking was held for the new Hillwood H.S. in Bellevue. The $100 million project on 274 acres at 8001 Highway 70 South will be 3 stories tall in sections, and will serve 1,600 students.  Hastings is the architect.  Messer Construction is the contractor.  An Aug. 2023 opening is planned. 

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/notes-residential-project-seemingly-slated-for-state-owned-site/article_46cd934c-b361-11eb-bf2a-93785845138e.html
 

This screen shot from Smeagolfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in red at the center of the frame: