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Bagger Dave's is gone. When did this happen?!

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11 minutes ago, joeDowntown said:

Bagger Dave's is gone. When did this happen?!

Joe

I noticed the sign today too! Not a bid surprise. $6 for 1 1/2 hours of parking to Ellis is hard to stomach, and they wouldn't validate the parking. If anyone else would like my predictions as to what retailers will not survive until the end of this year, let me know. :) 

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21 minutes ago, GRDadof3 said:

I noticed the sign today too! Not a bid surprise. $6 for 1 1/2 hours of parking to Ellis is hard to stomach, and they wouldn't validate the parking. If anyone else would like my predictions as to what retailers will not survive until the end of this year, let me know. :) 

Bagger Dave's did validate parking and it isn't an Ellis lot.  Unless you parked off site. 

32 minutes ago, joeDowntown said:

Bagger Dave's is gone. When did this happen?!

Joe

Today

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I was impressed that one if the last ones in the area was the one DT.  =)

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It just doesn't seem like retail or chains DT are meant to ever be a thing no matter how hard we wish.

Maybe around Founders and Market ave., or Michigan and Bridge, but the central DT area is just never going to work.

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Honestly i'm not surprised.   I also don't think it signals anything about chains being viable downtown.  Bagger Dave's as a brand was somewhat vague and didn't really stand out as exceptional the few times I went there.  They expanded too quick and without a solid niche. The one in Holland on US 31was open for all of about 6 months. Fridays was there for 20 years,  i'm not sure they would have necessarily left that location if CWD wasn't planning on emptying out 50 Monroe already.

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1 hour ago, MJLO said:

Honestly i'm not surprised.   I also don't think it signals anything about chains being viable downtown.  Bagger Dave's as a brand was somewhat vague and didn't really stand out as exceptional the few times I went there.  They expanded too quick and without a solid niche. The one in Holland on US 31was open for all of about 6 months. Fridays was there for 20 years,  i'm not sure they would have necessarily left that location if CWD wasn't planning on emptying out 50 Monroe already.

The parent company has already said they are refocusing their efforts on their Buffalo Wild Wings franchise. I wouldn't be surprised if they're all out of business in the next year or so. They also closed Fajita Republic, which was another concept they were toying with. 

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3 hours ago, ironyisadeadscene said:

Bagger Dave's did validate parking and it isn't an Ellis lot.  Unless you parked off site. 

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They didn't validate when I was there. That was shortly after they opened, and I didn't go back afterward. I even asked the host and the manager if they validated because the charge was so much and they said they couldn't because they didn't own the lot. You're right though, I think it's owned by Eenhorn. 

2 hours ago, mgreven said:

I was impressed that one if the last ones in the area was the one DT.  =)

There's still the one on the East Beltline and the one on 28th in Cascade. 

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They were never a big destination. I work a skywalk-hop away, and I think I was there once or twice. With all of the other options, it never was foremost in my (or anyone else's) mind.

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No love lost from me.  Went there once and was unimpressed.  It was fine, but nothing to write home about. Chains are certainly viable downtown.  MJLO already mentioned Friday's, and BWW is doing quite well as far as I know.  It also felt like an awkward spot to me, but I suppose having plaza towers right there helps.    

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The lack of pedestrian traffic for a restaurant that is not a destination was likely to fail.  If a pedestrian study were done like Panera and other retailers do before finalizing a new location, I doubt they would have ever located there.

 

 

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I've worked downtown the entire time they were open and never once thought of walking down there.  Not that I dislike the restaurant (our kids love the trains at the East Beltline location), it was just out of sight and out of mind for us. 

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isn't the Cascade location still open on 28th?   Driving by the East beltline location at night, it is always dead.  I would think a burger joint selling beer and having sports on would hold some customers, but they are dead at night.   Always seemed to be a casual business lunch kinda place.

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I feel like EastownLeo is on to something. I work out of town and am really only DT at night and on the weekends and every time I drove by, you could shoot a cannon through that place. Hopefully, the right fit for that spot emerges. 

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24 minutes ago, EastownLeo said:

isn't the Cascade location still open on 28th?   Driving by the East beltline location at night, it is always dead.  I would think a burger joint selling beer and having sports on would hold some customers, but they are dead at night.   Always seemed to be a casual business lunch kinda place.

The East Beltline is competing against 45 other restaurants on that stretch of the Beltline, in an area that is not densely populated yet (it's a drive through area for commuters headed to Rockford for the most part). Plus it's on the Northern end of the business cluster, probably out of mind for a lot of people. With two big apartment projects going in that may change a bit. And the retail going in behind it.

My wife calls it "fast food with beer," and it's relatively cheap for a family of 4 or 5. But yes, it doesn't do a whopping amount of business, Beltline or 28th (I've been to both). 

 

 

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For those 'not surprised' tell me what others will be closing DT.

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1 hour ago, arcturus said:

For those 'not surprised' tell me what others will be closing DT.

Yeah right. I'd rather not get sued. :) 

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12 minutes ago, GRDadof3 said:

Yeah right. I'd rather not get sued. :) 

Ummm-       " If anyone else would like my predictions as to what retailers will not survive until the end of this year, let me know." :) 

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3 hours ago, arcturus said:

For those 'not surprised' tell me what others will be closing DT.

I'm not surprised Bagger Dave's closed,  but that's because of the position as a brand in the overall market.  I have no insight on other restaurants, as far as I can tell most other joints aren't really in as weak of a position as they were.  My guess would be that if other restaurants around downtown were to close, it would be because of the local restaurateurs doing their typical rebranding for tired spots that they do.   But I don't have any reason to think empty store fronts are about to pop up at all.

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5 hours ago, ctpgr34 said:

Ummm-       " If anyone else would like my predictions as to what retailers will not survive until the end of this year, let me know." :) 

I should've added.. "I'll tell you in private." :) 

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On 1/9/2017 at 9:20 PM, GRDadof3 said:

They didn't validate when I was there. That was shortly after they opened, and I didn't go back afterward. I even asked the host and the manager if they validated because the charge was so much and they said they couldn't because they didn't own the lot. You're right though, I think it's owned by Eenhorn. 

There's still the one on the East Beltline and the one on 28th in Cascade. 

Yes, it is Eenhoorn. And they do validate, or did while open. But maybe not RIGHT after opening.

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1 hour ago, ironyisadeadscene said:

Yes, it is Eenhoorn. And they do validate, or did while open. But maybe not RIGHT after opening.

Probably the day after I told the manager "I can't believe you don't validate parking, when it's $6 for an hour and a half." :rofl:

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On 1/10/2017 at 8:39 AM, arcturus said:

For those 'not surprised' tell me what others will be closing DT.

Well I wasn't surprised, but only because that's such a pedestrian dead zone.  I remarked at the start of this thread that they would need signage visible up and down Fulton or no one would know they were there (I often forgot myself), and I doubt that would have saved them regardless.  I'm starting to think a major development across the street on the SW corner of Fulton and Market would be what it takes for a business to stick at that location.

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The only thing that will really work there is a destination, someplace people will specifically go downtown for.  No chain like that is ever going to be "destination" material.

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12 hours ago, tSlater said:

The only thing that will really work there is a destination, someplace people will specifically go downtown for.  No chain like that is ever going to be "destination" material.

Chick Fil A? :P  Oh wait, no room for a drive through. 

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