Inside 440 - Berry Hill, Midtown, Vanderbilt, 12S, WeHo, Fairgrounds, etc.

[BNAfan]

Looks like the project on 12th between Linden and Ashwood is requesting a change to SP.  There was a public notice of a hearing on 2/1/22.  I can’t tell if there was a result from the meeting based on my limited development tracker skills. 

It does look like they have moved the access to the parking garage from the alley to the Northern side.  The alley is now a wall with “vegetation”.  

Looks like they are proposing either a small roundabout or a traffic light at 12th and Ashwood.   I grabbed a few screen shots and included the link to the application. 

http://maps.nashville.gov/MPC/2021SP-071-001_plan.pdf

 

http://maps.nashville.gov/MPC/2021SP-071-001_plan.pdf

 

[PaulChinetti]

1 hour ago, markhollin said:

Mainland Companies has put the .46 acre lot at 914 3rd Ave. South (and bordering on Lafayette St. to the east) for sale at an unlisted price. It is being marketed as a prime spot for a self storage facility, and one of the sales images shows a block rendering of a 7 story structure with potential for 100,000 sq. ft. of space. 

Mainland also bought all of the land on the western side of 3rd Ave. South, and apparently has plans for a potential 10-15 story residential project there, also noted in the sales image. All of this is along the strip just south of the I-40 inner belt known as the New Heights District. 

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/chestnut-hill-property-marketed-for-self-storage-facility/article_a08434b2-8846-11ec-a8d9-6711a0f618d6.html
 

So no more strip club?

I wish they would reconnect 3rd. Even if it was just back down to Lafayette and back across. 

[markhollin]

1010 Music Row (5 stories, 130,000 sq. ft. office space, underground garage) update: all glass installed.

Looking NE from intersection of 16th Ave. South and Tremont Blvd:

Looking SE from 16th Ave. South, 1/3 block north of Tremont Ave:

Looking south from alley between Villa Place and 16th Ave. South, 1/3 block north of Tremont Ave:

Looking NW from Tremont Ave., 1/2 block east of 16th Ave. South:

[Bos2Nash]

14 hours ago, markhollin said:

Mainland Companies has put the .46 acre lot at 914 3rd Ave. South (and bordering on Lafayette St. to the east) for sale at an unlisted price. It is being marketed as a prime spot for a self storage facility, and one of the sales images shows a block rendering of a 7 story structure with potential for 100,000 sq. ft. of space. 

Mainland also bought all of the land on the western side of 3rd Ave. South, and apparently has plans for a potential 10-15 story residential project there, also noted in the sales image. All of this is along the strip just south of the I-40 inner belt known as the New Heights District. 

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/chestnut-hill-property-marketed-for-self-storage-facility/article_a08434b2-8846-11ec-a8d9-6711a0f618d6.html
 

Another self storage building? Granted I know Lafayette is essentially a highway with how wide it is, but that would make a third rather tall self storage building within a couple hundred yards of one another. UGH

13 hours ago, BNAfan said:

Looks like the project on 12th between Linden and Ashwood is requesting a change to SP.  There was a public notice of a hearing on 2/1/22.  I can’t tell if there was a result from the meeting based on my limited development tracker skills. 

It does look like they have moved the access to the parking garage from the alley to the Northern side.  The alley is now a wall with “vegetation”.  

Looks like they are proposing either a small roundabout or a traffic light at 12th and Ashwood.   I grabbed a few screen shots and included the link to the application. 

http://maps.nashville.gov/MPC/2021SP-071-001_plan.pdf

 

http://maps.nashville.gov/MPC/2021SP-071-001_plan.pdf

 

Thanks for the info! I like the screening of the parking along the alley from both a design standpoint and a nice gesture toward the neighbors. Due to the shape of the intersection, I much prefer the roundabout design at the intersection.

[PaulChinetti]

Looks like demo has started at 1414 4th Ave S. 
 

414 units, 5 stories thanks to the excellent development map. Developer Somers Road. 

[smeagolsfree]

There have been lots of pre permits pulled for this, so not a surprise at all.

[Pdt2f]

4 hours ago, Bos2Nash said:

Another self storage building? Granted I know Lafayette is essentially a highway with how wide it is, but that would make a third rather tall self storage building within a couple hundred yards of one another. UGH

Irritating, but kind of necessary with the vast increase of low-storage housing in the core. 
I don’t really have a problem with the self storage buildings per se, I just wish they would add some street activation around them. Some restaurant and/or retail space would help to dull the “blank spot” effect of buildings solely build to store crap. 

[PaulChinetti]

I'd like to see street activation too, just something, even if it was just like small one or 2 room shops. Give smaller businesses the options to have some space downtown. 

It's intersting to me that they make enough money to be able to building in the core with prices as they are. 

 

[donNdonelson2]

13 minutes ago, PaulChinetti said:

I'd like to see street activation too, just something, even if it was just like small one or 2 room shops. Give smaller businesses the options to have some space downtown. 

It's intersting to me that they make enough money to be able to building in the core with prices as they are. 

 

They charge pretty hefty monthly rates for those little storage spaces. (Probably more per year in fees than the total value of the items in many of the spaces!)

[nashwatcher]

Just bc they market the property as a good spot for self storage does that actually make that the probable use

Whoever buys the land will decide right??

[PaulChinetti]

2 hours ago, nashwatcher said:

Just bc they market the property as a good spot for self storage does that actually make that the probable use

Whoever buys the land will decide right??

I would think so, it's always easier to sell an idea if you can give someone a visual from my experience. 

[markhollin]

Crave@City Heights, Phase II  (3 stories, 30 units) update from bpi_bpg.

Looking NW from intersection of Clifton Ave. and 26th Ave. North:

[Nash_12South]

On 2/7/2022 at 6:16 PM, BNAfan said:

Looks like the project on 12th between Linden and Ashwood is requesting a change to SP.  There was a public notice of a hearing on 2/1/22.  I can’t tell if there was a result from the meeting based on my limited development tracker skills. 

It does look like they have moved the access to the parking garage from the alley to the Northern side.  The alley is now a wall with “vegetation”.  

Looks like they are proposing either a small roundabout or a traffic light at 12th and Ashwood.   I grabbed a few screen shots and included the link to the application. 

http://maps.nashville.gov/MPC/2021SP-071-001_plan.pdf

 

http://maps.nashville.gov/MPC/2021SP-071-001_plan.pdf

 

I watched the council meeting where the second reading of this passed, without any "no' votes. There was discussion, but only 3 folks came out to speak against and they all admitted that this was likely the best design that was possible. 

[Bos2Nash]

Courtesy of ULI (Urban Land Institute) I was able to participate in a tour of the new 1030 Music Row Building. It is a beautiful building with some really nice detailing. Tuck Hinton led the tour and Turner Construction was on hand to share insight and info. Here are some insights that Turner shared with the group.

• The columns and beams are all Glue-Laminated Timber and came out of Austria. StructureCraft is the Engineer of Record for the building, but outsourced these elements. Even coming from Austria at the height of the pandemic these materials arrived from Europe ahead of schedule and prompted Turner to rent an additional lay down space until the site was ready for timber. 
• Dowel-Laminated Timber (DLT) makes up the floor and roof decks and are made out of 2x8 dimensional lumber with a hardwood dowel run through them. The moisture from the 2x8s then seep into the dowel and expands them locking the panel together. There is no nails and no adhesive holding the panels together (they are screwed to the beams, but the panels themselves dont have any).
• The passenger elevator shaft is Cross-Laminated Timber (CLT). This presented a little bit of a headache for codes and the elevator contractor as they had not seen timber in an elevator shaft (or were not used to it). Mass Timber is regularly used for shaft walls and meeting the fire and structural requirements. Alas, Turner applied a then, clear coat of intumescent paint to the inside of the timber to satisfy codes and elevator team.
• From the first column going in to the final roof deck panel being installed all timber was installed in 4 months. This went a little slower than some other high profile Mass Timber projects, but the limiting factor is the fact they only had one crane on the job. There were 6 workers installing the timber (compared to an estimated 60 guys for concrete and 30 guys for steel structures). Another great perk of the technology is as soon as the deck is laid, it is structurally sound. Unlike concrete where the forms have to sit for a couple weeks and then be removed and concrete touched up, the timber has no forms and is finished when put in place.
• Mass Timber shaved 3 to 4 months OFF the construction timeline
• EDIT: It is built into the tenant guidelines that the wood is not to be painted, damaged or harmed by the tenant. And yes even with these parameters at least three tenants have ongoing build-outs being designed (none are announced or were announced to us)

Here are photos taken from the tour:

First floor tenant space

Connection of beams to columns.

Connection of glulam column to concrete pier at first floor

Fifth floor office bay facing the street

Looking towards downtown from the fifth floor

Looking out over Music Row from the fifth floor balcony

CLT Elevator shaft

Edited February 9, 2022 by Bos2Nash

[Mr_Bond]

37 minutes ago, Bos2Nash said:

Courtesy of ULI (Urban Land Institute) I was able to participate in a tour of the new 1030 Music Row Building. It is a beautiful building with some really nice detailing. Tuck Hinton led the tour and Turner Construction was on hand to share insight and info. Here are some insights that Turner shared with the group.

• The columns and beams are all Glue-Laminated Timber and came out of Austria. StructureCraft is the Engineer of Record for the building, but outsourced these elements. Even coming from Austria at the height of the pandemic these materials arrived from Europe ahead of schedule and prompted Turner to rent an additional lay down space until the site was ready for timber. 
• Dowel-Laminated Timber (DLT) makes up the floor and roof decks and are made out of 2x8 dimensional lumber with a hardwood dowel run through them. The moisture from the 2x8s then seep into the dowel and expands them locking the panel together. There is no nails and no adhesive holding the panels together (they are screwed to the beams, but the panels themselves dont have any).
• The passenger elevator shaft is Cross-Laminated Timber (CLT). This presented a little bit of a headache for codes and the elevator contractor as they had not seen timber in an elevator shaft (or were not used to it). Mass Timber is regularly used for shaft walls and meeting the fire and structural requirements. Alas, Turner applied a then, clear coat of intumescent paint to the inside of the timber to satisfy codes and elevator team.
• From the first column going in to the final roof deck panel being installed all timber was installed in 4 months. This went a little slower than some other high profile Mass Timber projects, but the limiting factor is the fact they only had one crane on the job. There were 6 workers installing the timber (compared to an estimated 60 guys for concrete and 30 guys for steel structures). Another great perk of the technology is as soon as the deck is laid, it is structurally sound. Unlike concrete where the forms have to sit for a couple weeks and then be removed and concrete touched up, the timber has no forms and is finished when put in place.
• Mass Timber shaved 3 to 4 months OFF the construction timeline

 

I'm not a professional but I would imagine that trading material costs for labor costs would make timber construction more attractive in the current economic environment.

[nashvylle]

With technology becoming available to produce steel and concrete in cleaner ways (IE Hydrogen), it really makes me sad that mass timber is becoming the new trend. I get it, it looks awesome, but the argument that these buildings, as a "carbon sink", are better than trees being left in the forests as is around the world, is nonsense to me. 

https://www.greenbiz.com/article/major-breakthrough-clean-steel-industry

https://news.mongabay.com/2015/09/how-many-trees-are-cut-down-every-year/

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/us-cities-are-losing-millions-of-trees/#:~:text=The researchers found that 36,concrete%2C asphalt%2C etc.)

 

[Bos2Nash]

35 minutes ago, nashvylle said:

With technology becoming available to produce steel and concrete in cleaner ways (IE Hydrogen), it really makes me sad that mass timber is becoming the new trend. I get it, it looks awesome, but the argument that these buildings, as a "carbon sink", are better than trees being left in the forests as is around the world, is nonsense to me. 

https://www.greenbiz.com/article/major-breakthrough-clean-steel-industry

https://news.mongabay.com/2015/09/how-many-trees-are-cut-down-every-year/

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/us-cities-are-losing-millions-of-trees/#:~:text=The researchers found that 36,concrete%2C asphalt%2C etc.)

 

Please don't take this the wrong way, but this all appears to be old thinking towards construction materials. It is great to see a breakthrough in the steel industry in that they are reducing the amount of energy and non-renewables in the material, but it is still needing iron ore (non-renewable and high energy to extract) and they are still needing a very high energy amount of hydrogen produced energy to make. Now don't get me wrong, mass timber will never fully replace steel and concrete because there are still limitations in the form of height and even area (area can be easily overcome with fire separation). Mass timber though offers an amazing alternative to these otherwise raw materials that genuinely do not produce healthy buildings. The mass timber "trend" is not just aesthetics, It takes less energy to harvest and produce the panels, it is faster in the form of assembly (and has a much better pre-fabrication advantage), takes less people to assemble these buildings - both of these last two items also help with overall construction cost and allow developers to get into buildings quicker (ie rent sooner) - and the building store carbon so that they produce overall healthier buildings for their occupants. Notice how none of those points talks to the aesthetics (which timber produces amazing aesthetics). Steel and Concrete are the exact opposite of all those stats. The two biggest advantages that steel and concrete have are 1) lower up front costs for developers and 2) they can go taller and bigger without fire separation. Additionally, contrary to popular belief, Mass Timber is also extremely fire resistant. When we are looking at fire separations within design, typically the most stringent fire rating is four hours, mass timber panels can get 3-hours one their own and can easily achieve a 4-hour rating with additional protection (ie gypsum boarding)

If we want to talk about the fact that trees are getting cut down for timber - yes, yes they are. But what neither of those articles mention are how many (if not all) mass timber producers utilize sustainably harvested timber for these products. It is not like mass timber is cutting down old growth trees like in the old post-and-beam days, but rather they are able to purpose grow tress for harvesting for these products. These trees also are not being cut down in cities, so that third article really doesn't carry much weight within the argument. I would go as far a s saying the third article actually reinforces the desire to utilize mass timber because if trees are getting cut down in cities, why not utilize our buildings to help replace them? Because in reality we are spending most of our lives inside buildings and the health of wood could easily be transferred to inside. Here is a breakdown  of facts from WoodWorks (a recognized leader in helping utilize all kinds of wood in construction) on the 1030 Music Row project, pay special attention to the second item speaking to the regrowth of timber in just North American forests (not global, just USA and Canada).

If we look at the amount of research going into this mass timber technology we begin to see the benefits for the health of humans and for the planet. Sure we wouldn't get as tall as steel and concrete (see image below regarding the allowable limits of Mass Timber in the 2021 IBC), but we are improving the health of our buildings by storing carbon (timber) rather than continually emitting carbon (steel/concrete), lowering the amount of energy from a life cycle standpoint, and creating warmer places for occupants to be in. All of this while using an incredibly sustainable technology that has lasted through all the technological advances of man.

Here are some articles that speak towards sustainability of mass timber:

Timber Certification -Chain of Custody for Proof

A true solider in the fight against Climate Change

True Sustainability?

4 (true) facts about Mass Timber

This is what the IBC is allowing with the 2021 IBC update for mass timber. Imagine how much easier it would be for a company/building to be carbon-neutral or even carbon positive if almost 1 MILLION square feet was timber instead of steel or concrete? We actually lose the aesthetic conversation entirely in Type IV-A because must cover the timber from a rating perspective - thus only leaving the environmental benefits.

Mass Timber is not a threat to concrete and steel, but rather a new (technically very freaking old) technology in which we can find a way to produce better buildings, for healthier people and a healthier world. In the words of Michael Green, the architect in the Pacific Northwest who really has been pushing the timber movement in North America, “I’ve never seen anyone walk into one of my buildings and hug a steel or concrete column. But I’ve actually seen that happen in wood buildings.”

[nashvylle]

thanks @Bos2NashI didn't take anything personally. I will try and find another article, but I think it's 25% of mass timber right now comes from actual forests and 75% from tree farms. Either way, my point was that as more and more buildings switch to mass timber, the required space for tree farms increases, and that 25% from forests could become 25% of a larger overall demand. 

I also agree with all your points on it being healthier within that building. 

Just seems on a global scale, we are deforesting our way into a bigger problem, but probably a coffee house discussion. 

[markhollin]

17th & Grand (7 stories, 160,000 sq. ft. office space, ground level retail, underground garage) update.

Looking west from intersection of 16th Ave. South and Grand Ave:

[Bos2Nash]

11 minutes ago, nashvylle said:

thanks @Bos2NashI didn't take anything personally. I will try and find another article, but I think it's 25% of mass timber right now comes from actual forests and 75% from tree farms. Either way, my point was that as more and more buildings switch to mass timber, the required space for tree farms increases, and that 25% from forests could become 25% of a larger overall demand. 

I also agree with all your points on it being healthier within that building. 

Just seems on a global scale, we are deforesting our way into a bigger problem, but probably a coffee house discussion. 

There is actually a thread in Coffeehouse for the topic - Wooden Skyscraper

[markhollin]

50 Music Square West Hotel (7 stories, 124 rooms) update: 3rd level complete across most of site.

Looking SW from Chet Atkins Place, 1/2 block west of Music Square East (16th Ave. South):

 

[markhollin]

Vanderbilt Univ. Owen Graduate School addition/expansion (5 stories, 48,000 sq. ft.) update.

Looking NW from 21st Ave. South, 1/2 block north of Scarritt Place:

[markhollin]

Olympic II (5 stories, 108 units, internal garage) update courtesy of bpi_bdg:

[markhollin]

Brand Berry Hill (4 stories, 314 units) update: mostly topped out.

Looking NE from Berry Rd., just east of Fessey Park Rd:

Looking east from Fessey Park Rd., just north of Berry Rd:

Looking NE from Fessey Park Rd., 1/2 block north of Berry Rd:

Looking NW from Metro School Employee Health Center, 1/2 block north of Berry Rd:

Looking  NW from Bransford House Apts., 1/4 block north of Berry Rd:

Looking west from Bransford House Apts., just north of Berry Rd:

[markhollin]

The local franchise-holders of Primrose Schools, Amy James and Susan Davis, have purchased the 86-year-old 30,000 sq. ft. brick church on 1.1 acres at 2400 10th Ave. South for $4.52 million.  The congregation, Greater Christ Temple Church, bought the structure previously in 1971 for $85,000. Gina Emmanuel and Centric Architecture will handle the interior design of the early childhood education facility.  It is projected to employ 50 people and house approximately 350 students (6 weeks old to kindergarten). 

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/12south-church-eyed-for-school-sells-for-4-52m/article_44760e76-8dc7-11ec-befd-4fc8077650b6.html