Inside 440 - Berry Hill, Midtown, Vanderbilt, 12S, WeHo, Fairgrounds, etc.

[titanhog]

16 hours ago, markhollin said:

...and most all of those publishing houses/studios were sold by the publishing/studio owners for quite nice profits.   It's easy to blame the developers---but it's the owners of the properties that have made the move.   ; )

I'm actually not blaming anyone.  I understand a free market society.  I’m just lamenting the fact that something so precious as the unique historical “campus” of the music industry where everyone would walk from building to building…drop off music…go to pitch meetings…have parties…is going away.  It was a special time and place that will never be replicated.  I worked there starting in 1993…and it’s just sad to see it turn into something else.  I really think one day in the future, there may not be any music created there at all.

[titanhog]

15 hours ago, bnacincy said:

I see what you're saying and sympathize with you when it comes to what's happening and what has happened.

As Mark says it's the owners who are selling the properties and reaping the rewards-what I hope is that when they do sell it would be to build office space which would have at least a fighting chance of keeping some of the larger businesses on Music Row whereas residential developments just pretty much exclude everyone.

What larger businesses?  Seriously.   You’re not going to see any large music studios build on the Row.  Warner is still there…but they built their own building decades ago.  Rest of the labels MAY come back, but they left and signed leases elsewhere…but it doesn’t really matter if the songwriters and publishers are gone (those houses they tear down are where the small publishers and songwriters are / were).

[markhollin]

Odyssey at t he Park (5 stories, 75 units, ground level retail, internal garage) update.

Looking NE from Long Blvd. at Avoca St:
 

[markhollin]

The Chartwell @ Marathon (5 & 7 stories, 379 units, internal garage) update: tower crane up and operational; more core drilling.

Looking SW from 12th Ave. North, 1/2 block north of Clinton St:

Looking NW from 12th Ave. North, 1/2 block north of Clinton St:

[Sean blackdog]

Today this evening. 
I don’t know what name of place. 
White Luffing crane is up.

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by Sean blackdog

[markhollin]

Lofts at Marathon (6 stories, 320 units, internal garage) update: most of garage complete.

Looking SE from 16th Ave. North, 1/2 block south of Herman St:

[Melrose]

On 6/18/2022 at 1:46 PM, bnacincy said:

I see what you're saying and sympathize with you when it comes to what's happening and what has happened.

As Mark says it's the owners who are selling the properties and reaping the rewards-what I hope is that when they do sell it would be to build office space which would have at least a fighting chance of keeping some of the larger businesses on Music Row whereas residential developments just pretty much exclude everyone.

This is what I was getting at.  I just think the reality is Music Row is transitioning and alongside the new developments,  a good bit of which thankfully has some mixed use components ( though I wish a few more did for streetside activation purposes-  The Morris, 18th and Chet, in particular missed on this),  then I hope the former music business offices (many of which are in converted bungalows and homes),  can also transition to some restaurant/retail uses and other residential services,  and even in some cases transition back to residential, if possible.   You've got great sidewalks around here and the location is really important to tying several neighborhoods together

[titanhog]

1 hour ago, Melrose said:

This is what I was getting at.  I just think the reality is Music Row is transitioning and alongside the new developments,  a good bit of which thankfully has some mixed use components ( though I wish a few more did for streetside activation purposes-  The Morris, 18th and Chet, in particular missed on this),  then I hope the former music business offices (many of which are in converted bungalows and homes),  can also transition to some restaurant/retail uses and other residential services,  and even in some cases transition back to residential, if possible.   You've got great sidewalks around here and the location is really important to tying several neighborhoods together

It's definitely transitioning.  It just will be maybe 10% music or less in the coming years.

[markhollin]

301 15th AVe. North (7 stories, 179 units, ground level retail, internal garage) update:  all structures on site razed.

Looking NW from intersection of 15th Ave. North and Hynes St:

[Bos2Nash]

The Music Row Overlay is also going to make it hard to do anything in the area. The overlay specifically calls for more than two parcels not to be combined, calls apartment construction "the invasion of multi-family" and then of course there are certain council members who blanket state they dont support density in the area. While I sympathize with the loss of the individual musician space, the land is honestly becoming too expensive/valuable for those types of spaces to remain. Modern technology has also developed to the point where we don't need these individual spaces anymore. I have multiple friends in multiple parts of the city that are building there own studios in there spaces because it is much easier to build that sort of thing. Modern transportation is also allowing for that type of gathering/songwriting to spread out more because everyone has access to a vehicle nowadays. 

I just went to the Musicians Hall of Fame for the first time this past weekend, and I honestly believe Music Row would be incredibly well suited for something like that. Unfortunately I don't think it would succeed because it is too far from the hustle and bustle (probably the same reason the Country HoF is now downtown). It has always been weird to me that Music Row is so historic, yet there is nothing really there for folks to know about it. Maybe that was always the point, maybe it wasn't, but no matter what I feel like when folks visit and want to see Music Row they are a bit disappointed with the lack of "stuff" that makes the area great.

[Nashvillain]

14 minutes ago, Bos2Nash said:

The Music Row Overlay is also going to make it hard to do anything in the area. The overlay specifically calls for more than two parcels not to be combined, calls apartment construction "the invasion of multi-family" and then of course there are certain council members who blanket state they dont support density in the area. While I sympathize with the loss of the individual musician space, the land is honestly becoming too expensive/valuable for those types of spaces to remain. Modern technology has also developed to the point where we don't need these individual spaces anymore. I have multiple friends in multiple parts of the city that are building there own studios in there spaces because it is much easier to build that sort of thing. Modern transportation is also allowing for that type of gathering/songwriting to spread out more because everyone has access to a vehicle nowadays. 

I just went to the Musicians Hall of Fame for the first time this past weekend, and I honestly believe Music Row would be incredibly well suited for something like that. Unfortunately I don't think it would succeed because it is too far from the hustle and bustle (probably the same reason the Country HoF is now downtown). It has always been weird to me that Music Row is so historic, yet there is nothing really there for folks to know about it. Maybe that was always the point, maybe it wasn't, but no matter what I feel like when folks visit and want to see Music Row they are a bit disappointed with the lack of "stuff" that makes the area great.

Not to mention that it is now legal to run music studios in private homes throughout the city. Not to rehash the arguments I made in the East Nashville forum regarding the development of 5 Points, but if cities are meant to thrive, then they must be changing and adaptable so that they provide opportunities for people now, and not be frozen in amber to appease a sense of nostalgia or to protect or increase the value of assets of property owners. 

Could you link to the Music Row Overlay that you reference? How does language like "the invasion of multi-family" make it into official planning documents? Dumb question

[markhollin]

13 hours ago, Bos2Nash said:

It has always been weird to me that Music Row is so historic, yet there is nothing really there for folks to know about it. Maybe that was always the point, maybe it wasn't, but no matter what I feel like when folks visit and want to see Music Row they are a bit disappointed with the lack of "stuff" that makes the area great.

I worked directly in the music biz in Nashville from '82 to 2001, and am still indirectly involved with lots of artists, songwriters, producers, and label folks here in town.  So here's a bit of history from my perspective:

"Back in the day" (circa 1970-1995) all of the music biz was quite centrally located in those 12 or so square blocks bordering 16th and 17th Aves. South. Lots of tourists WOULD wander about hoping to see some of their favorite stars walking in and out of record labels, studios, and songwriting sessions.  

But as the larger conglomerates kept gobbling up smaller labels/publishers, and studios got more high tech (elbowing out lesser rooms that weren't as sophisticated), things began to constrict. Then when the calendar turned into the 2000s, digital downloading became more and more prevalent, as well as the ability of artists to record much more cheaply in their own homes.  Along with that, larger promotion companies, management firms, and booking agencies swallowed up their competitors, and even more constriction occurred. Some of the bigger entities wanted more sleek or tech-centric HQ's, and found their spaces in the Music Row area outdated...so they began moving to other areas of town. Hence, even fewer musoids were in the once strong gravitational pull of Music Row. 

At one time, I would estimate that there were in the neighborhood of 25,000 people working within the "music industry" in/around Nashville (artists, songwriters, labels, management, publishers, booking, producers, engineers, promotion firms, song-pluggers, roadies, video companies, record/DC/tape manufacturers, t-shirt shops, sheet music printers, merchandisers, bus companies, trucking, instrument rental/delivery, etc.).  I bet that number is down to 3,000 or less now.  Don't get me wrong, we are still very much Music City USA---it's just that everything is much more streamlined and centralized now, and the glory days of the organic, skin-in-the-game, hustle-bustle of Music Row are a memory for most now.  

So, naturally, many of the structures of that bygone era have been transitioning (or sitting empty) for a decade or more.  'Tis the nature of the evolving trends of entertainment as well as the ongoing change of a vital, growing urban environment. 

I'll also say this: Every generation tends to long for and hearken back to the era of their youth, often only seeing what they choose to remember....

But there was a time in the 90s when people on Music Row were upset that other forms of music besides country was getting integrated into the Nashville scene, and large structures like SESAC, BMI, ASCAP, Warner Bros, Word Entertainment, etc. were being built to replace older establishments (usually homes that had been housing smaller music entities).

In the 80s other larger buildings were built, but some were beginning to filter out to other parts of town like Opryland, the new Opry House, Twitty City, etc.

In the 70s people were upset that the Country Music Hall of Fame (near what is now Musica Statue Circle) was built, displacing some former music-biz homes, and several snooty, "high end" hotels were built on "The Row. 

In the 60s, people were bothered that Chet Atkins was making things too slick when he built the large, state-of-the-art RCA Studio complex , and more and more of the once residential homes along 16th and 17th were getting gobbled-up by new music-making entities. 

In the 50s that primarily African American community was beginning to get pushed out by these country music entrepreneurs who started setting up some studios like the Quonset Hut.

In the 40s the primarily white population was starting to feel pushed out by the growing African American influx. 

From 1900-1920s most of those homes were built for the first time on what had previously been farmland, and those farmers often felt they were being pushed out.

A hundred years before that in the early 1800s, the Native Americans who had operated for thousands of years in those rolling hills felt that they were being pushed out by the pioneers that became settlers and eventually farmers. And of course, there were various tribes of Native Americans that kept pushing and moving each other around during those eons.

And on, and on, and on, and on it goes. 

[smeagolsfree]

Change is the only constant.

[Nashvillain]

2 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Change is the only constant.

That's what I've been trying to say! 

[titanhog]

As long as the city stops calling it Music Row when it’s all gone…I’ll be fine with it.  No use making it a museum.  We already have one of those.

[donNdonelson2]

“God bless the boys who make the noise on 16th Avenue” (written by Thom Schuyler, recorded by Lacy J. Dalton)

The character of the street may change, but the history will remain. As long as those songs are played on the radio, sung in concerts or honky tonks,  studied by those who hope to become songwriters, or analyzed by singers who wish to interpret the songs…as long as the efforts of “the boys” (and girls) of 16th Avenue are remembered, their ghosts will roam Nashville’s “Music Row.”

[markhollin]

Haven Charlotte (9-10 stories, 316 units, internal garage) update: large mobile crane on site.

Two angles from City Place on west side of The Shay at OneC1TY:
 

[markhollin]

Blue Pearl Veterinary  (2 stories, 17,500 sq. ft. office space) update: brickwork  underway.

Looking NW from intersection of 21st Ave. South and Westwood Ave:

Looking SW from intersection of 21st Ave. South and Beechwood Ave:

[markhollin]

Odyssey at the Park (5 stories, 75 units, ground level retail, internal garage) update: stairwells/elevator shafts rising. 

Looking NW from 31st AVe. North at Long Blvd:

Looking SW from 31st Ave. North, 1/4 block south of Parthenon Ave:

[markhollin]

Three 1 story structures on .42 acre at 1040-1044 3rd Ave. South in Chestnut Hill have been purchased  for $3.42 million, with the intent of transforming them into a live entertainment venue. Christopher Jordan Latiff is the new owner and his Hitedeos LLC will oversee the transition into  "a special event venue for music lovers surrounded by a variety of local food that will service and benefit the local emerging community.” It appears that Butcher Supply Store at 1040 3rd Ave. South will remain in business, with the other two addresses making up the club/restaurant.

The Perryman family were the previous owners, having paid a total of $28,000 in several transactions for the properties between 1981-85. 
 

More behind the NashvillePost paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/entertainment-venue-eyed-for-chestnut-hill/article_a2180444-f3d4-11ec-bc8b-332f6b9892fa.html

This screen shot from Smeagolsfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in teal at the center of the frame:

[markhollin]

Urban Grout Commercial Real Estate has secured a $15.3 million loan from First Farmers & Merchants Bank in relation to its proposed 13 acre residential development at 1116 Polk Ave., a few block south of Murfreesboro Pike, east of the Fairgrounds.

More at NBJ here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/06/24/deal-dash.html

[PaulChinetti]

3 hours ago, markhollin said:

Three 1 story structures on .42 acre at 1040-1044 3rd Ave. South in Chestnut Hill have been purchased  for $3.42 million, with the intent of transforming them into a live entertainment venue. Christopher Jordan Latiff is the new owner and his Hitedeos LLC will oversee the transition into  "a special event venue for music lovers surrounded by a variety of local food that will service and benefit the local emerging community.” It appears that Butcher Supply Store at 1040 3rd Ave. South will remain in business, with the other two addresses making up the club/restaurant.

The Perryman family were the previous owners, having paid a total of $28,000 in several transactions for the properties between 1981-85. 
 

More behind the NashvillePost paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/entertainment-venue-eyed-for-chestnut-hill/article_a2180444-f3d4-11ec-bc8b-332f6b9892fa.html

This screen shot from Smeagolsfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in teal at the center of the frame:

 

Very exciting! Especially with the recent closing of some other venues!

[markhollin]

1800 21st Ave. South, the Ruby Sunshine Restaurant Building in Hillsboro Village, which was opened in 2020 (courtesy of DPend):

[markhollin]

Olympic II (5 stories, 108 units, internal garage). update:  topped-out across full site now: windows starting to be installed.

Looking south from 8th Ave. South at Archer St:

Looking SW from 8th AVe. South, 1/2 block north of Olympic St:

Looking NW from 8th Ave. South at Olympic St:

Looking north from Olympic St., 1/4 block west of 8th Ave. South:

[markhollin]

Oral Surgical Institute (3 stories, 35,000 sq. ft.) update: superstructure topped out.

Looking SE from intersection of 28th Ave. North and Delaware Ave:

Looking NE from intersection of 28th Ave. North at Felicia St: