Inside 440 - Berry Hill, Midtown, Vanderbilt, 12S, WeHo, Fairgrounds, etc.

[titanhog]

2 hours ago, bnacincy said:

I'm gonna say this til I'm blue in the face-have the Historical Commission come in and decide once and for all which buildings should be saved and which should not. Then tear down all the crappy apartments that have been built there in the past few years and even earlier. Let Pannatoni or whoever else come in build office buildings big enough to attract the companies that left the Row to come back. Build an actual "Music Square" with with a little retail/restaurant action along with a small Museum of Music Row. Put a rebuilt Bobby's Idle Hour on one side of the Square and recruit The Bluebird Cafe to relocate to the other side. Oh yeah, and rename 16th and 17th avenues Music Row East and West respectively.

You don't need to tear down the bungalows-just a lot of the stuff that was built after them.

I agree with this.  There's a way to do this where we're able to keep some of the "mom and pop" type structures that help give Music Row it's vibe...and yes, demolish some of the crap that was built in the 70's and 80's and build something more appropriate there.  More than anything, find a way to keep the Row about music.  You have to think of Music Row as like a "music college"...more valuable than Belmont's music college (WAY more valuable).  It's where people come from all over the world and learn from the top singers, songwriters, producers, managers, A&R, entertainment bankers and lawyers, entertainment hairdressers, etc...starting out as apprentices...then earning small pay...gaining knowledge...and working side-by-side with those who are successful and some even famous...and then they move up the ladders themselves.  Kids from Belmont and Vandy walk across the street and do apprenticeships on the Row all the time...and later get jobs in the industry.

It's truly an institution...and the close proximity of all of these businesses creates a synergy that can't be replicated elsewhere.  Moving it to Berry Hill won't have the same effect.  Plus...music-loving tourists don't want to travel to Berry Hill.  The heart of Music City is on Music Row.  As kitschy and odd as it is...it has a heart and a true purpose.

[Predsboy18]

Not sure if this was posted elsewhere on the board, and if so, move it there, but the details of Lee Beaman's divorce came out earlier today, and if you haven't read them, it's pretty disgusting. His wife is entitled to about $4.3 million per the prenup, but the details that came out could end Lee Beaman's career here in Nashville. I'm sure not many of us would be shedding tears over that, as he's spearheaded numerous campaigns against progress in Nashville, and in addition to that eyesore of a car lot on primo property. Looking at the Parcel Viewer on Metro's website, a conservative estimate would put the property value at around $20 million, but with some of the details that have come out in the divorce case, he had better sell fast if he wants to make any money on the property, because before long, I could very well see him getting only $12-$15 million out of the property, if the allegations are in fact true.

Just wanted to get everyone's thoughts on this.

[MidTenn1]

33 minutes ago, Predsboy18 said:

Not sure if this was posted elsewhere on the board, and if so, move it there, but the details of Lee Beaman's divorce came out earlier today, and if you haven't read them, it's pretty disgusting. His wife is entitled to about $4.3 million per the prenup, but the details that came out could end Lee Beaman's career here in Nashville. I'm sure not many of us would be shedding tears over that, as he's spearheaded numerous campaigns against progress in Nashville, and in addition to that eyesore of a car lot on primo property. Looking at the Parcel Viewer on Metro's website, a conservative estimate would put the property value at around $20 million, but with some of the details that have come out in the divorce case, he had better sell fast if he wants to make any money on the property, because before long, I could very well see him getting only $12-$15 million out of the property, if the allegations are in fact true.

Just wanted to get everyone's thoughts on this.

Yeah, it's pretty disgusting. I'm not even going tp post a link to where I found the details. Anyone who wants to know can google it. 

This should bring some uncertainty to his connection to the auto dealership.

[Pdt2f]

1 hour ago, Predsboy18 said:

, as he's spearheaded numerous campaigns against progress in Nashville

What does this even mean? What “progress” is being campaigned against?

[UTgrad09]

3 hours ago, Pdt2f said:

What does this even mean? What “progress” is being campaigned against?

I mean, whether or not you support it....any sort of new mass transit in this city. Dude has kind of been the face of the opposition.

[titanhog]

6 hours ago, PHofKS said:

Yeah, it's pretty disgusting. I'm not even going tp post a link to where I found the details. Anyone who wants to know can google it. 

This should bring some uncertainty to his connection to the auto dealership.

I think what we all see (and it has nothing at all to do with political affiliations)...but a person gains money and power and often their true character is magnified.  If you're loving and giving, you'll use your power and money to love and give more.  But many times, we see the other side, which is the growth of greed, lust and power-hungry destruction.  Shameful.

[Predsboy18]

2 hours ago, titanhog said:

I think what we all see (and it has nothing at all to do with political affiliations)...but a person gains money and power and often their true character is magnified.  If you're loving and giving, you'll use your power and money to love and give more.  But many times, we see the other side, which is the growth of greed, lust and power-hungry destruction.  Shameful.

I agree, but I also believe, again, as you say, political affiliation notwithstanding, that with the kind of money he has, brings power, and more dangerously, a sense of infallibility that that person can do no wrong, and that they have an almost "bubble" around them. Too often this is true, but as we find out, when someone is able to pop that bubble, and the details are laid bare, it's usually something like this; perhaps not as bad as this, but it's often bad.

[smeagolsfree]

I believe that "IF" the allegations are true, he must resign from the boards of the schools he is on. It is just that many of these folks on the right tout family values, and conservative Christian values are many time the biggest hypocrites around. If the allegations are true then he will not be the face of any public issue again and his voice is lessoned into nothingness.

There is not much difference between this and what Mayor Barry  did other than it was with public funds which made it criminal. In some respects this could be more damaging to Beaman financially. 

Now with that being said, lets put this discussion somewhere else other than in this thread. I do think it can be discussed just like the affair of Barry, but with anything keep it clean and civil.

[Predsboy18]

8 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

Now with that being said, lets put this discussion somewhere else other than in this thread. I do think it can be discussed just like the affair of Barry, but with anything keep it clean and civil.

My apologies. If it does need to go elsewhere, by all means move it there, but I'm looking at this purely from the standpoint of what might happen to the land along Broadway that I'm sure developers are salivating to get their hands on. I may have interjected a little prejudice into it, seeing as I'm not a fan of his, but this was mostly in reference to what could happen to his dealerships.

[samsonh]

13 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

I believe that "IF" the allegations are true, he must resign from the boards of the schools he is on. It is just that many of these folks on the right tout family values, and conservative Christian values are many time the biggest hypocrites around. If the allegations are true then he will not be the face of any public issue again and his voice is lessoned into nothingness.

There is not much difference between this and what Mayor Barry  did other than it was with public funds which made it criminal. In some respects this could be more damaging to Beaman financially. 

Now with that being said, lets put this discussion somewhere else other than in this thread. I do think it can be discussed just like the affair of Barry, but with anything keep it clean and civil.

In reality this isn’t going to make him sell those prime lots. Which is what most people care about. Lots of people have bizarre personal lives. Especially people with lots of money. Both sides of the political spectrum.

[Pdt2f]

7 hours ago, UTgrad09 said:

I mean, whether or not you support it....any sort of new mass transit in this city. Dude has kind of been the face of the opposition.

I’m a transit supporter, my beef was against the undefinable use of “progress,” which is typically just a vague catch-phrase for the supporters of a particular kind of social values. 

38 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

I believe that "IF" the allegations are true, he must resign from the boards of the schools he is on. It is just that many of these folks on the right tout family values, and conservative Christian values are many time the biggest hypocrites around. If the allegations are true then he will not be the face of any public issue again and his voice is lessoned into nothingness.

There is not much difference between this and what Mayor Barry  did other than it was with public funds which made it criminal. In some respects this could be more damaging to Beaman financially. 

Now with that being said, lets put this discussion somewhere else other than in this thread. I do think it can be discussed just like the affair of Barry, but with anything keep it clean and civil.

Lol they can’t win with you people. 

1. Supporters of traditional family values warn materialists that sexual anarchy will cause a decay in family, community, and marital life. 

2. Those supporters become victims of the worldview and cultural change that they warned about. 

3. Materialists somehow see this as vindication of their own views. 

25 minutes ago, samsonh said:

In reality this isn’t going to make him sell those prime lots. Which is what most people care about. Lots of people have bizarre personal lives. Especially people with lots of money. Both sides of the political spectrum.

Agreed. Thank you for being reasonable. 

[samsonh]

2 hours ago, Pdt2f said:

I’m a transit supporter, my beef was against the undefinable use of “progress,” which is typically just a vague catch-phrase for the supporters of a particular kind of social values. 

Lol they can’t win with you people. 

1. Supporters of traditional family values warn materialists that sexual anarchy will cause a decay in family, community, and marital life. 

2. Those supporters become victims of the worldview and cultural change that they warned about. 

3. Materialists somehow see this as vindication of their own views. 

Agreed. Thank you for being reasonable. 

I think the annoying part for us ‘’materialists’(lol) is the condescending nature of the traditional family values crowd. Particularly when viewed of who the traditional family values crowd views as their leaders. I also dislike point 2. We as adults have agency, beaman made his choices throughout his long life. He’s not a victim in any way.  Also what is sexual anarchy? I feel like I live in a very different world than you.

 

Reasonable is in the eye of the beholder.

[ruraljuror]

2 hours ago, Pdt2f said:

Lol they can’t win with you people. 

1. Supporters of traditional family values warn materialists that sexual anarchy will cause a decay in family, community, and marital life. 

2. Those supporters become victims of the worldview and cultural change that they warned about. 

3. Materialists somehow see this as vindication of their own views. 

Agreed. Thank you for being reasonable. 

This is some strange pretzel logic.

1.  I don't know if Lee Beaman is a supporter of 'traditional family values' or not.   He certainly doesn't seem to be supporting them in his own home, but I've never heard him be an outspoken opponent of prostitution or porn--just mass transit and Spanish language govt. docs.  

2.  "Become victims"?!?!?  How about a little personal accountability on Beaman's part?  Sounds like less of a 'warning' than a projection of one's own faults and insecurities.

3. Who are these materialists, what are their views that have been vindicated?  As I said, I don't even know if Beaman was an outspoken 'traditional family values supporter,' but even if he was he's no worse than a hypocrite on that charge, and not that different from a tax cheat who outspokenly promotes higher tax rates or a PETA vegan who sneaks bacon for breakfast.  

 

 

 

[dmillsphoto]

 

[titanhog]

4 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

I believe that "IF" the allegations are true, he must resign from the boards of the schools he is on. It is just that many of these folks on the right tout family values, and conservative Christian values are many time the biggest hypocrites around. If the allegations are true then he will not be the face of any public issue again and his voice is lessoned into nothingness.

There is not much difference between this and what Mayor Barry  did other than it was with public funds which made it criminal. In some respects this could be more damaging to Beaman financially. 

Now with that being said, lets put this discussion somewhere else other than in this thread. I do think it can be discussed just like the affair of Barry, but with anything keep it clean and civil.

Tell us to be "clean and civil" while mocking "conservative Christian values?"  Got it.  Do as you say...not as you do, right?  Come on Smeagols.

[Predsboy18]

4 hours ago, Pdt2f said:

I’m a transit supporter, my beef was against the undefinable use of “progress,” which is typically just a vague catch-phrase for the supporters of a particular kind of social values. 

I don't mean progress in the political sense, rather progress in the sense that Nashville needs certain things to continue to move forward, and grow, and Beaman has been quite opposed to those things, i.e. any mass transit, the "English Only" bill. This has nothing to do with his politics, and more to do with him being a proverbial, and pardon the pun, roadblock, to those ideals.

[BnaBreaker]

2 hours ago, titanhog said:

Tell us to be "clean and civil" while mocking "conservative Christian values?"  Got it.  Do as you say...not as you do, right?  Come on Smeagols.

No offense TH, but I'm not sure how you got that out of what he said?  He isn't mocking conservative Christian values at all.  He's mocking those people who tout conservative Christian values in public but in private  do essentially the exact opposite.  I would think all reasonable people regardless of all the labels could come together and give a thumbs down to that sort of behavior, no?

[smeagolsfree]

I was not trying to slam the right. I am just saying from the folks he has supported in the past like Judge Roy Moore he has associated with the moral right which I do not have an issue with. Beaman is on the board of a private Baptist University which means he has associated with core family values and his actions again, IF true,  is hypocrisy at the worst level.  Folks in high positions that have done a lot of the same things and have been caught in some pretty ugly situations, and unfortunately it has discouraged a lot of people from the "church" as a whole.

Some of you know me and know where I am in those areas and its not to the far right and not to the far left. I don't want to get into a discussion with religion but if you are interested in my beliefs TH, please PM me and I might surprise you.

As far as if he will sale his property, it is possible but doubtful unless the prenup is all his assets, then Katy bar the door.

[Mr_Bond]

17 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

As far as if he will sale his property, it is possible but doubtful unless the prenup is all his assets, then Katy bar the door.

This is the key issue for this forum.  Before the property would be sold, the dealership would have to find another home which it likes.  If the soon-to-be-former Mrs. Beaman has any rights to the property of her soon-to-be-ex, she would not want any piece of property sold at fire sale prices.  That means it will be 'a while' before that property is sold.  If Mr. Beaman moves out of the public eye and resigns from various boards, he may choose to focus on his businesses or he could take this opportunity to get liquid and retire to a private resort somewhere.  If he focuses on his businesses, the property sale could still be years away.  If he chooses retirement and seclusion, the sale of the dealership would likely be tied to the sale of the property in the eyes of the buyer.

[smeagolsfree]

I would have to study to see how much land he owns. Seems to me the number 18 acres comes to mind. That includes the body shop lot off 12th which is about 6.5 acres of that over looking the interstate.

 

I will do a little numbers crunching and see what I can find.

OK another 11. 5 acres or so off of Broadway which gets us up to about 18 acres. Dang my memory is still there.

[smeagolsfree]

While we are talking car dealership land, the lots that are across the street are owned by the Reed or Read family. Cant remember the spelling, but that is another 11.5 acres. So between two families in this  area there is 28 acres of land that at some point could be redeveloped. To put that in perspective that is almost two times Nashville Yards

[Mr_Bond]

19 minutes ago, smeagolsfree said:

While we are talking car dealership land, the lots that are across the street are owned by the Reed or Read family. Cant remember the spelling, but that is another 11.5 acres. So between two families in this  area there is 28 acres of land that at some point could be redeveloped. To put that in perspective that is almost two times Nashville Yards

The Martin family in Bowling Green, KY, owns those dealerships, I think.  The Reed family still owns the land?  I wonder what the terms of the lease agreement are.

[bnacincy]

From what I have heard the Reed family still owns the land. 

Don"t quote me on that though.

I know exactly what I would do with all that property-just need somebody to help me make a visual of it.......help!

[fishsticks176]

He has a pretty large facility on Davidson St in East Nashville, too, halfway between PSC and Shelby Bottoms.

[NashvilleObserver]

16 hours ago, samsonh said:

In reality this isn’t going to make him sell those prime lots. Which is what most people care about. Lots of people have bizarre personal lives. Especially people with lots of money. Both sides of the political spectrum.

If this turns out to be true, or even if it doesn't, he may no longer be the face of the Beaman car dealerships. Does anyone recall the hullabaloo with the "Carnival Kia" divorce years ago. It may come under new leadership, with people who may be more open to selling these prime properties. And I don't mean to be crass, but if his wallet takes a hit due to any settlements, he may be more inclined to sell lots and relocate. 

In all honesty, regardless of this news, there has been talk recently about his seemingly angry, spiteful grasp on these lots downtown. This unfortunate news for a family, and I'm sorry this has been made so public for them. But for the residents of Nashville, this could maybe lead to some much needed development in high-traffic blocks near downtown.